10mm auto as a mountain gun?

[JImbothefiveth]

and you could also wait even longer before resulting to lethal force and still be confident in the results. Meaning more bears should not have to be shot in defense.

Waiting longer sounds like a bad idea to me. If it's intent on killing you, the only way that will result in less bear deaths is by resulting in more human deaths.

 

[mbpautz762]

see if you can get a 6" bar-sto barrel (?) for your glock. a friend of mine clocked his 200gr handloads at just over 1350fps with a 6" barrel!

 

[RPCVYemen]

Something about a 155g@1400fps GoldDot load just gives me a warm, fuzzy feeling.

Isn't that pretty wimpy for a hunting load? The impression I get from reading about hunting loads in the various reloading manuals is that you probably want close to twice that bullet weight at that speed.

I also have the impression that people who need handguns to kill things like bears are more concerned with penetration than expansion - they want to make sure the bullet gets deep enough to hit a vital organ. Don't know if/how Gold Dots do that.

Mike

 

[Jason M]

Quote:
Something about a 155g@1400fps GoldDot load just gives me a warm, fuzzy feeling.

Isn't that pretty wimpy for a hunting load? The impression I get from reading about hunting loads in the various reloading manuals is that you probably want close to twice that bullet weight at that speed.

I also have the impression that people who need handguns to kill things like bears are more concerned with penetration than expansion - they want to make sure the bullet gets deep enough to hit a vital organ. Don't know if/how Gold Dots do that.

Mike

We're not talking about a hunting pistol, it is a backup gun for protection against game or preditory animals that attack.

 

[RPCVYemen]

We're not talking about a hunting pistol, it is a backup gun for protection against game or predatory animals that attack.

I understand that. However, the people who know most about what it takes to kill an attacking predatory animal are probably going to be folks who kill them regularly.

I would think you'd need more power for protection than for hunting. This a thought experiment, but when you are the predator, you get to pick the time and the venue for an attack. When you are the prey, you pick neither. My guess is that when a predator decided to attack you, you want all the power you can handle in that first shot.

Mike

 

[MCgunner]

I prefer a revolver's versatility, but I mean, why not if the gun is accurate enough? I really like .357 magnum for its versatility and the light medium frame 4" guns that can be had for it. Can shoot anything from squirrels to hogs with it and defend against bear, very versatile. A revolver in 10mm will be of similar versatility with handloads or light .40 for small game. A G20, of course, would have to fire only 10mm and probably fairly hot to cycle the gun. The two G20s I've fired were plenty accurate, under 2" at 25 yards accurate, rather impressive. If the gun can shoot 2" or less off the bench at 25 yards, to me, it's plenty accurate for field uses with iron sights. I'd shrink that by an inch for actual hunting and especially scoped out to 100 yards. Only areas I've ever hiked in, worst critters other than humans are black bear. Not really much danger there and if a handgun were needed, 10mm would be plenty. I've most often carried a 4" .357 revolver.

I've killed a couple of deer with a .357 revolver firing 158 SWC at 1470 fps. It's plenty for deer OR black bear or human dope growers or whatever.

 

[LongRider]

Waiting longer sounds like a bad idea to me. If it's intent on killing you,

Bears or any animal is rarely intent on killing you. Predators tend not to see adult humans as prey. If they do attack it is most often for other reasons. That said some Grizzlies do consider human beings the delicacy of choice once they have tasted a human being. Maybe what cannibals say is true we taste like pork While I would never consider it with a human being a warning shot will most often work with a animal "IF" they are far enough away that you will be able to get off another shot when needed.

I also have the impression that people who need handguns to kill things like bears are more concerned with penetration than expansion - they want to make sure the bullet gets deep enough to hit a vital organ.

Naw we want OMG where did my guts go ammo 45/70

 

[Tom Krein]

I carry a Glock 20 on a fairly regular basis for my CCW gun. It carries easily IWB in a Comp Tac IWB holster.

I would highly recommend this for a "Mountain Gun"! I don't find it difficult to shoot at all. If you can shoot a .45 acp you can handle a 10mm. It has a bit more recoil, but really not much! Nothing you can't train for. The Glock platform also helps with the recoil.

Is a hot 10mm the equivilent to a .41 mag, not quite... BUT its pretty close.

If I was considering my Glock 20 for a mountain gun I would get a cut rifled barrel and go with this load from Double Tap ammo.... LINK It is a 230 grain hardcast wide flat nose bullet with a gas check! It will do 1100+ fps out of a Glock 20. This round offers pretty good weight for caliber and should penetrate very well!

You need the cut rifled barrel to shoot hard cast lead bullets, not recommending in the stock Glock barrel. If it was me I would opt for a 6" barrel.

Tom

 

[CZF]

A Glock 10mm is what many people in Alaska carry for protection
in the woods.

I'd carry my Witness or a G29. The Glock 20 grip is to big for me but a 29 or forthcoming SF model might work for me.

I currently carry the superb Double Tap 180 Grain Gold Dot JHP.

Like others have said. Near 41 magnum power with a super fast reload.



More Info:
http://www.angelfire.com/amiga/hakan/DOUBLETAP-10MM.html

 

[polizei36]

Like you stated its a "Mountain Gun" not an everyday shoots. I would prefer the Glock 20 as it will stand up to the test of time, weather and big bad animals 15+1 times....lol

IMO..As far as the ammo disappearing, I doubt it. There are to may hunters out there for ALL of the 10mm ammo to disappear any time soon.

 

[g88]

Another thing is that bears and other critters are out at night. With the Glock you can have a light on the gun to see what you are dealing with -- and to have a two-hand hold if you might have to shoot. Compare that to shooting a 44 mag revolver one-handed while you hold a flashlight in the other, with a bear after you.

What about Corbon DPX ammo? Great penetrator, I hear. Might just carry the 10mm ballistics across the finish line.

g88

 

[375JDJ]

10mm is fine for a general trail gun, but if I'm headed into bear country, I'll be backing my Colt Anaconda 44 mag. loaded with 300 gr Sierra JSP traveling at 1250+ fps.
I'll take all the power I can reasonable carry. That load dropped a charging 7-800 lb. boar that needed convincing it was already dead....
I trust it to do it's job and my ability to place the round where it needs to go under stress.

 

[mljdeckard]

(I didn't know Double-Tap ammo was out of Cedar City.)

 

[KBintheSLC]

Wow... I was surprised to see this old thread pop up again.

Anyway, I did end up buying the G20, and I am in love with both the gun and the caliber. I believe that it is the best compromise (when it comes to handguns) between power, capacity, shootability, portability, and durability.

Long guns may be better from a ballistic standpoint, but they are not even remotely practical for casual backpacking... unless I am in Alaska. I am already hauling 45-50 lbs on my back, and the G20 is almost unnoticeable on my hip strap.

 

[KBintheSLC]

Isn't that pretty wimpy for a hunting load? The impression I get from reading about hunting loads in the various reloading manuals is that you probably want close to twice that bullet weight at that speed.

I also have the impression that people who need handguns to kill things like bears are more concerned with penetration than expansion - they want to make sure the bullet gets deep enough to hit a vital organ. Don't know if/how Gold Dots do that.

I think that Gold Dot in any weight is more for anti-human SD than hunting. They are very soft, and expand very fast. I like to carry the DoubleTap 200g FMJ-FP for woods defense, and I like their 200g Controlled Expansion JHP for a hunting round.

 

[CZF]

Even though I've never killed a black bear. I tend to believe that the Stinging Bee approach to killing bears is a valid one.

 

[CZF]

I never said the 180 gr Gold Dot was my Hunting load.
Just what I carry for defense in the woods.

God Dots are designed to hold together and punch thru windshields and other tactical barriers.

I doubt if a Black Bear's throat or chest cavity is tougher
than a windshield.

I could be very wrong, but for defense against dogs, blackies
and humans. I think the Gold Dot is a sound choice.

If not, then I have a spare mag of Speer FMJ on hand.

However, any load in 10mm (or other calibers) from Double Tap
is going to be powerful and accurate, and one can see why
many a Glock Talker and THR member uses DT Ammo.

 

[mljdeckard]

The 10mm is probably a better option, but at this time, I don't want to buy another gun. I'm in the process of acquiring the barrel and dies to shoot .400 Corbon out of my 1911, which when loaded hot, overlaps into the 10mm power range. I want to do this for the deer hunt anyway.

 

[JmanAR15]

Model 500 S&W

I thought this is kind of funny.

But, I want a 460 S&W 12" with scope, and give up the rifle.

 

[earplug]

This week a good shot showed up at our weekly steel shoot with a G20, the stock G20 is much easier to shoot then a stock DA revolver. Five targets hit in under five seconds from the holster. No failures noted.
The G20 is his woods gun

 

[Boxhead]

My switch barrel 40 S&W/10 mm Para shoots both rounds very well. Can't beat 17 rounds of 10 mm, almost 3 sixguns in one...

 

[XD-40 Shooter]

I'd have no problem at all carrying a 10mm out here in the woods of Colorado. You can handload the 10mm to baseline 41 mag, 750 ft lbs or so. Plus you get 16 rds, instead of 5. For anything up to black bear, 10mm is sufficient.

 

[treeprof]

Gold Dot personal protection bullets are made differently (esp. a thinner jacket) than Gold Dot hunting bullets, and the 10mm/.400 Gold Dot hollow points are not hunting bullets. Those begin with the .357 Mag Gold Dot soft point, and include a variety of Gold Dot soft and hollow points in larger calibers. Speer's own handloading manual recommends the 10mm 180 gr gold dots for small whitetails at most, and that at close range (max 1295 fps). They recommend 200 gr FMJ if one has any thoughts of using one of their 10mm/.400 bullets in bear country. The 155 gr Gold Dot is not even recommended for small deer, due to lack of penetration.

I've put down car-injured deer with Gold Dots to the skull and have been singularly unimpressed with how they hold together. I've also hunted and killed black bear and have a pretty good idea of how hard they can be to put down. Perforating a windshield is one thing, but it bears (no pun intended) no resemblance to penetrating bone and muscle. I carry a Glock 20 as my lower 48 woods gun, but load it with Corbon 180 gr bonded soft points or DoubleTap 200 gr Beartooth hardcasts when there's a chance of needing 4-legged defense.

 

[Three Man]

Also, you get the opportunity for follow-up shots while the bear is stumbling around senseless and hairless from the muzzle blast!


Now that is funny, I love it...

 

[3pairs12]

Uncle Ted swears by that round for back up gun.If thats worth anything to you.