270win vs 270WSM

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rickyford2

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Hi im looking to bye a rifle for deer hunting and im new to deer hunting. Im 15 I need a rifle with low recoil that will do the job.

Im going to be hunting in the woods and open county so I thought the 270 would be good.
But is there a difrence in the 270win and the 270WSM.

And what brand and modle should I get?

Im trying not to go over $500 and how far of a shot can I make with the 270?

And whats the bigest game a can take with it?

Any help would be nice.

Ricky :,)
 
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I would suggest the plain ole .270 Win. It has worked fantastically for many, many years. The recoil will be much less, ammo is MUCH cheaper, ammo is MUCH easier to find and who knows if the new fangled shorties will still be around in 10 years.

The .270 can also double in a pinch as a varmit round. Bullet weights range from 150 downward with the 130 being pretty good for deer. The 150's work for heavier game and for way, long ranges as it holds its energy better.

The .270 will be flat shooting enough (if you practice AND know the ballistics) for some surprisingly long range shooting.

Best wishes and good luck. Deer hunting is a lot of fun. Enjoy!
 
I agree with Critter. Over the last 25 years, I am accumulated a body count of over 100 deer and hogs with a regular old 270, and even though I have strayed into other calibers, I keep coming back to my old faithful 270.
 
.270 and low recoil really don't belong in the same sentence. Does a 270 kick less than a .338 mag YES. Does a .270 kick less than the same rifle in 30-06 NOT REALLY! The WSM will have even more recoil.
 
Get a good used .270 Winchester. You can get a nice well made 700 BDL from 15-20 years back, and WELL scoped it is superb! A Winchester model 70 is nice too but you won't find a pre 64 for that.
I have one of the last Winchester Model 70 Ultra Shadow Classics stainless in .270 WSM and the ammo for my 130 Barnes triple shock Federal ammo is close to $50 for 20. This is real hot stuff(3300+fps chronograhed out of my gun), and accurate too, while I've only shot 1 deer with it it should do well in africa in june!
I have a couple .270 Winchesters that have taken dozens of deer in 35 years and it certainly does the job, and yes, with 90 grain bullets it is a very long range varmint gun. Factory ammo can be found for as low as $13 for 20. I GOOD 3-9 or 4-12x scope would work well on a clean OLDER 700 BDL is my advice to you son. Shp the gun stores until you find one for your price. I know where there are ones like that with decent American scopes on them for $400-500 in several shops around here.
 
Im going to be hunting by myself.

I shot 2 deer bucks with my uncle's 7mm mag a 5 by 5 180 pounder
and a 1 by 0 120 pounder and the recoil on that gun was low I thingk.
Is the recoil on 270 higher then a 7mm mag?

I have a scope.

Ricky
 
Quote: Im 15 I need a rifle

The reason I asked WHO you were going hunting with is two part:

a) you are too young to buy a BB gun in most states and

b) whoever is taking you hunting, may have one or know someone who can lend you a 270 to be used under supervision.

If you have a light built frame, you may look into a 243 or 25-'06, as I don't think you'll have the felt recoil you would likely get with the 270.

The 270 Winchester IS a spectacular performer on deer, and has put meat on tables across America, and can take thin skinned game from as far as 400 yards with the right shooter/bullet, (you said you're in open country). 440 yards is a quarter mile. I wouldn't recommend shots like that until you get some closer kills under your belt, but it has been done.

Before you set off into the woods, make sure you can hit a quart oil bottle sized object consistantly (about the size of a heart lung shot area), to be sure you can humanely take the deer at the ranges for which you have practiced, so you don't leave a wounded animal to suffer.

You said you're hunting alone? A partner is an added safety measure on a hunt. If something happens to you, he can help or get help, if you get accused of wrong doing, you have a witness, if you have to drag a deer very far, you have a helper.
Go hunting a few times with an experienced hunter. The things they can teach you that you just can't get from a book or video are invaluable.
I don't know the laws of your state, but in mine, it is a criminal offense to sell or loan a minor a rifle, unless he's supervised by an adult.

Good luck out there!
 
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My mom will be buying the gun like she has for all my guns.

And who needs to shoot at a BIG bottel I shoot coke cans at 70 yards open sight with my .22 can you do that ???

And I know how to Deer hunt. This year I shot a 5 by 5 180 pounder with my Uncles 7mm MAG the deer was walking away from me I shot it in the back of the neck and it came out in the front of its head.

Most guys would just shoot it in the side to make sher they hit it but why do that if you can hit it in the head and know its not going anywere.

All I need to know is info about what gun would be good to deer hunt.

Ricky
 
The .270 has been around for a long time. I doubt if the mag. version will survive. What if you're out in the boonies and need some ammo. Good luck.
 
If you are not going to hunt anything larger than deer or hogs for a while I would heartily recommend the .243 rather than the 270. It is more than enough power for deer, it is low-recoil, it is low-muzzleblast, it is incredibly accurate, and it will enable you to shoot at least to 250yds with ease and, if you are a good rifleman, you'll be able to hit well with it quite a bit farther - as far as with anything else. It will also be more flexible as far as mounting scopes than a .270.

However - if you just have your heart set on a .270, go for it. It will easily take any animal in North America.

Good Luck ! :cool:
 
Shawnee

Is the .243 ammo as cheep as the 270win?

And can I buy a .243 under $500
if so what brand would you say I should buy?

Ricky
 
Get the 270 Winchester, it is a dandy caliber, I doubt you'll ever be sorry. A 270 will have less recoil than a 7 Mag, shooting 130 grain bullets and you have a great deer round indeed. Recoil is not excessive, trajectory is as good as any within in reason with better down range energy than a smaller diameter bullet. IMHO a 270 is very good deer round.
 
A 7mm-08 is another good choice. A stevens 200 is a lower priced good gun.
 
I use my Tikka 270 Win. for all my cow elk and buck mule deer hunts here in Idaho. Try it you'll like it. My longest shot on a mule deer with my 270 was 310 yds. My Rem 243 Win. for all my antelope & doe mule deer hunts. My Weatherby MKV in 300 Weatherby is strictly for moose, bull elk and big bears.
 
Okay, here it goes.

270winchester vs 270WSM.

-The case of the 270WSM is fatter. This means two things, the magazine will hold one less round, maybe two.
-The distance you have to pull the bolt back will be 1/4th an inch less, which might be a tiny tiny bit faster for some people.
-most 270s are in 22 inch barrels, most 270WSM use 24 inch barrels

The actual bullet (the lead projectile) for these two is exactly the same. However, the WSM pushes it's bullet a bit faster. The extra 2 inches of barrel helps out for faster speed too
federal ammo data

However, it only pushes it a little bit faster. What this means is that not a lot of hunters think it is enough different to bother buying onr. Plus, it has only been around for a short time. That means right now, you walk into a gunstore, they will have a very limited selection of 270WSM loads but a TON of 270 loads, and probably only 1 rifle for every 10 regular 270 rifles.

This also means your ammo will cost more money.

This also means your gun will probably cost a tad more.

This also means you have less chance of getting a good used gun.

This also means by the time you are 25, they might have stopped making 270WSM loading.

Now, for the biggest game, both 270 and 270WSM can take elk, but that is really pushing it. As always, the shooter matters most, and many elk have been taken by 270, so 270WSM would work just fine too. Neither one would be my first choice for an 'elk only' rifle, but 270 and 270WSM make good pronghorn+deer+carbou+bighornsheep+elk 30-06 covers the same range, probably covers the elk end a bit better, while the 270 covers the pronghorn end a bit better.

270 and 270WSM are lacking for grizzly bear.

Regarding 'what rifle' for your price limit, I'd say a savage will do you well. It will be available in 270, 270WSM, plus 30 other rifle chamberings. Remember, the 270SWM is a 'short action' and the 270 is a 'normal' or 'long' action.

http://www.savagearms.com/11f.htm -short action 270WSM plus others
http://www.savagearms.com/111f.htm -long action 270 plus others

Note: the 270WSM has a 2 shot magazine, the 270 has a 4 shot. I'd take 5 shots in a gun over 3 shots, even if the 270WSM shoots a little bit faster.

Also remember, the listed suggested retail price is more than you will be charged. Expect to pay about 10-20% less.

You asked about the 243. As you can see, it is another chambering you can get for the 11F. It is smaller and lighter than the 270WSM. It is more suited to game up to deer size, NOT for elk etc, but works great on deer. While it is less common than the 270, it is still VERY common, you won't have any trouble finding 243 ammo for years to come, plenty of rifles in it too

the 25-06 and the 7mm-06 are also excellent deer loads to consider, but seriuosly, get the 270 and you will be happy even when you are 70 years old
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I have putt some guns together in a difrent thred its called
Witch of the 5 270 should I get?

If you all could let me know what gun you thingk is the best it would be nice.

Ricky
 
Hi Rickyford...

Yes, the .243 ammo is usually notably cheaper than than the .270 ammo.

Yes, you can get a nice rifle for less than $500. Someone mentioned Savage. They are good and some of the models can be bought at Walmart for about $200-$250. Marlin, Remington and Ruger all make good rifles and used ones can often be bought for about $300-$350. Best to get the one that feels best TO YOU.

You can shoot as far with a .243 as you can a .270. How well you hit is up to YOU, not the rifle or the caliber. THAT depends on your shooting skill. I've killed a few woodchucks at more than 400 yds. with a .243 hunting model rifle (not a target model) shooting from a sitting position.

With the .270 you can kill everything in North America, Central America, South America, Europe, the U.K. All of those animals have been taken many, many times with a .270., and that includes the big bears. You can also kill anything in Asia and Africa - including lions and tigers - BUT NOT Elephant, Cape Buffalo and Rhino - with a .270 and that, too, has been done many times. All of that is why I advise you to go with a caliber that is easier to shoot but still has lots of range like the .243.

Someone mentioned the 7mm/08 and it is a great caliber but it is also in the power level that you can shoot almost everything that walks with it and that's silly for deer or hogs or antelope.

Sometimes you'll hear preople say to use guns that are a LOT more powerful than needed and the reason they say is "for insurance" - but when they say "insurance" what they really mean is they allow themselves to take wreckless shots at game. Good riflemen know the only real "insurance" is good shot placement.

That's my 243 cents worth, Ricky. Good luck to you whatever you decide !

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BUT NOT Elephant,
Gosh, who was that fella that was killin elephants many decades ago with a 7X57? I forget his name, but I am glad I remembered to wear boots today.

Rick, do some shopping around and look some rifles over. Savage makes a pretty good rifle a guy can buy new and still have a buck or two left for a scope and used is always a option. They also have a package deal, rifle and scope, but have read the scopes could be of a higher quality.
 
The 270 Winchester

RickyFord2,
I will agree with the expert advice given on the subject of the 270 Winchester. Just to give you a little background okay. The cartridge came out in 1925 and it is merely a 30-06 necked down to take .277 bullets. It is fast and flat shooting. I am on my second one. My first was a Winchester Westerner purchased in 1982. Had to part with it for college tuition. Never have got over that one. I know have a Remington parkerized plain Jane model 700 with the plastic stock. Not as pretty as the Winchester i had but it shoots well. If you have time you might want to look up an individual by using the Google search by the name of Jack O'Conner. He killed all kind of game with it all around the world and rated it one of the best cartridges to own. I will agree with some of the posts that the 270 Win Short Mag is probably on it's way out , just too many new calibers for all of them to make it. I remember the 375 Winchester , the 307 Winchester, 7mm-08 and so on. Most places even service stations where i am from carry these cartridges or calibers. The 30-06,308,270, 243, and 30-30. It has been with us for over 80 years. Some mentioned the 243. I think that is also a good choice. Not too much recoil. Whatever you pick be sure you can shoot it well and not afraid of the recoil. Good shooting young man. Take care.
 
the most important difference between 270win and 270wsm is throat and barrel life. I see alot of WSM and WSSM guns with excessive throat and bore erosion. Seems to be a common problem with very short, very fat cartridges.

On that note, I would say go with the 270win
 
270 Win has plenty of power. Don't go thinking your getting that much more with a Mag. Maybe another 30 yrds trajectory for "flat hooting" and yes more energy...big deal! Stepping on an bug with size 10 or size 15 shoes has the same effect.
 
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