I have a 1895G and honestly, with hot hunting loads the recoil is brutal. Great little rifle for factory or pet hand loads but pushing a hard cast 405g bullet at 2000fps leaves a mark.
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Oww! That's 3598 foot pounds of muzzle energy and within 80% of a 458 Win Mag velocity with that bullet. Out of a lever action. Go ahead but I'm not that mad at the deer anymore.I have a 1895G and honestly, which hot hunting loads the recoil is brutal. Great little rifle for factory or pet hand loads but pushing a hard cast 405g bullet at 2000fps leaves a mark.
Well I am sitting here looking at a box of Remington 45-70 405 Grain Soft Points and the box label says "For Use In All Rifles". Now if I want to load some 45-70 my Hornady 9th edition as well as my other loading manuals calls out 45-70 Government (Trap Door), 45-70 Government (1895 Marlin), and 45-70 Government (Ruger #1). The Lyman manual is the same calling out specific loads for specific rifles in 45-70 Government including the cast bullet loads.How do you know what rifle will shoot what loads safely in a 45/70. I am guessing that 45/70 Gov. Has a safe load limit of a certain pressure and a 405 gr bullet at 2000 + fps exceeds that published load. How do you know if you are telling someone to put a lever action grenade to their face? Is that the purpose of the .444, to have a standard modern high pressure load as opposed to an essentially wildcat 45/70 for safety reasons?
I am going to believe you know what you are doing but does Bubba?
It is probably one of the most, albeit almost forgotten to time, historical cartridges of American history. Yep...its also got the "get er done's".Marlin rifles are fantastic.
45-70 has a much broader range of bullets and loads.
Everything has @ one time fallen to the 45-70.
Really no greatly compelling reason to pick one over the other,
How do you know what rifle will shoot what loads safely in a 45/70. I am guessing that 45/70 Gov. Has a safe load limit of a certain pressure and a 405 gr bullet at 2000 + fps exceeds that published load. How do you know if you are telling someone to put a lever action grenade to their face? Is that the purpose of the .444, to have a standard modern high pressure load as opposed to an essentially wildcat 45/70 for safety reasons?
I am going to believe you know what you are doing but does Bubba?
Yes the 444 might go a little faster but they are pistol bullets unless someone has made new bullet. The 45/70 uses rifle bullets probably with more sectional density if it really mattersThere are two reasons I prefer .444 to .45/70.
One is because I wanted one as a teenager in the seventies yet couldn't afford it.
The second reason, and the only one that really matters; higher velocity is possible with .444 than .45/70 as both offer way plenty of "smoke" for deer.
Higher velocity means flatter trajectory, and after a couple of decades hunting deer with worse than .22lr trajectories.. I could be a bit prejudice towards higher velocities.