9mm carbines - a few questions

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Over $600? I picked up my Sub Rifle for about $300......and it folds!
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And its almost all plastic, the sights suck, with limited options, and prone to firing out of battery.

Where as the JR is made out of metal, and gives AR options. :D
 
not sure but I absolutely cannot get mine to hit anything at 100 yds which shouldn't be to outrageos as if im not mistaken the mp40 has 110 and 220 yard sights. correct me if im wrong.
 
just thought you might wanna think about a rossi combo in 22lr and 20ga. its a great starter rifle-shotgun combo pretty cheap and dosent look to bad in a court of law.
 
Already got a Marlin 795, thanks. Nifty little gun. Will see how it performs on Saturday.
 
nipprdog said:
And its almost all plastic, the sights suck, with limited options, and prone to firing out of battery.

Where as the JR is made out of metal, and gives AR options. :D
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Ok, two things: folded, the JR is nowhere near as compact and discreet as the Keltec

Secondly. If you're going to have a gun that's the same size as an AR, costs the same as an AR, then why not have the advantages of a rifle cartridge? Instead of a 50-100 yd gun, you could have a 500 yd gun.

If you say "it's quieter and cheaper to shoot 9mm," fine....but it's cheaper and quieter still to shoot .22's

I'm not knocking the JR, it looks like a fine and fun gun, but for a $600 plinker, it should be.
 
David E said:
Ok, two things: folded, the JR is nowhere near as compact and discreet as the Keltec

Secondly. If you're going to have a gun that's the same size as an AR, costs the same as an AR, then why not have the advantages of a rifle cartridge? Instead of a 50-100 yd gun, you could have a 500 yd gun.

If you say "it's quieter and cheaper to shoot 9mm," fine....but it's cheaper and quieter still to shoot .22's

I'm not knocking the JR, it looks like a fine and fun gun, but for a $600 plinker, it should be.
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KelTec Subbies are going for in and around the $500 mark, seeing as how I've been wrong about the novelty wearing off, and folks are buying them.

For a bill more, I'd go JR as well. $500-$600 is quite a lot for a PCC, you're right about that, but if I'm springing for one in that price range, it's going to be one of the best. Folding, plastic rifles need not apply. With the JR at just a smidge over 30" collapsed, I'd say that's discreet enough for me, as I don't hide my rifles in a hand bag.
 
CDNN Investments currently has the Kel-Tec, in either 9mm or .40, for $299

The ability to put a "long" gun in a briefcase or similar is cool. Not essential, but cool......and adds to the versatility of the gun.

If I had it in my head to get a very good pistol caliber carbine with little regard to cost, I'd certainly consider the JR. If I already owned a spare Glock, Para or 1911, I'd also consider the Mech-Tech unit.
 
I think they "show" one in their catalog at that price. They don't have then in stock but they will be happy to sell you something else when you call.
 
Some people have enough money to buy one just cause they want one. Because they want something different.
 
I have thought about making an AR in 9mm, as I have a lower waiting to be made into something, but I have a hard time justifying the cost for a 100 yd gun that's the same size and weight as a 500 yd gun.

"Fun factor" can be cited and accepted, but I find I'm thinking about an 11.5" pistol configuration for LOUD fun, or a 6.8 SPC or 300 Blackout for utility.

My wife and kids would prefer the meek muzzle-blast of the 9mm carbine, so that's something else to think about.
 
It seems to me that being a folding, plastic rifle is exactly the advantage of a Sub2k. At 16" folded it will fit into a typical BOB or a container in your vehicle that doesn't scream "rifle". The light weight (and maneuverability that goes with that) also makes it a good handgun alternative for home defense. In a situation where I can have a full sized rifle I don't see much point in 9mm.

meanmrmustard said:
right about that, but if I'm springing for one in that price range, it's going to be one of the best. Folding, plastic rifles need not apply. With the JR at just a smidge over 30" collapsed, I'd say that's discreet enough for me, as I don't hide my rifles in a hand bag.
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David E said:
CDNN Investments currently has the Kel-Tec, in either 9mm or .40, for $299

The ability to put a "long" gun in a briefcase or similar is cool. Not essential, but cool......and adds to the versatility of the gun.

If I had it in my head to get a very good pistol caliber carbine with little regard to cost, I'd certainly consider the JR. If I already owned a spare Glock, Para or 1911, I'd also consider the Mech-Tech unit.
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Not in stock, they don't. They advertise that price, but have none. Finding one that can be had is nearing five bills. You're in JR territory now.

As for MechTech uppers: I want one REALLY bad for my Glock 32.
 
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At 16" folded it will fit into a typical BOB or a container in your vehicle that doesn't scream "rifle".
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I look at it this way: All things that can happen usually do. If I'm out and about town, going on a trip, or to the movie store and have my rifle on my person (in the vehicle) I'm going to have that rifle in a container that is appropriate to a rifle. I don't want Barney Fife to ask me during a "routine" traffic stop why I am carrying a folded rifle in a laptop/duffle/briefcase. Call me cautious, but I try to not give the LEO anything to get agitated about.

I say this because I have been pulled over before with firearms in my vehicle. I got more guff over a hunting knife in a sheath in my console than the cased rifles under the back seat. Its not illegal to carry the rifle in a laptop/duffel/briefcase, but when the Sub2K came out and I saw a few folks arguing this same point, I wondered "why?" If its a viable option for home defense, it doesn't need to be folded to hide it. There are better options for vehicle carry that are more discreet, like a CCW pistol. And now, for the prices they command, there are more robust, reliable, and accurate options available for purchase. It wasn't till after owning a Subby that I learned this myself.
 
meanmrmustard said:
If I'm out and about and have my rifle (in the vehicle) I'm going to have that rifle in a container that is appropriate to a rifle. I don't want Barney Fife to ask me during a "routine" traffic stop why I am carrying a folded rifle in a laptop/duffle/briefcase.
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Why in the world would a cop, during a routine traffic stop, insist you open up a briefcase or laptop to see what's inside?

Call me cautious, but I try to not give the LEO anything to get agitated about.
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Nothing about a laptop/briefcase would sound any alarms to the cop.

I got more guff over a hunting knife in a sheath in my console than the cased rifles under the back seat.
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The knife was immediately accessible and usable while the cased rifles were not.

when the Sub2K came out and I saw a few folks arguing this same point, I wondered "why?"
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Aside from the "cool factor," theres the discretion factor.

If its a viable option for home defense, it doesn't need to be folded to hide it.
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Sooooooo, don't fold it....

There are better options for vehicle carry that are more discreet, like a CCW pistol.
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Sure, if you can get one where you live.

And now, for the prices they command, there are more robust, reliable, and accurate options available for purchase.
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I paid $300, CDNN still lists them for that. Otherwise, a bit of shopping will turn one up for $400 or less.

I mentioned discretion several times, which the fold-ability allows. Folks with a JR carbine or whatever that live in an apartment are obviously carrying a long gun going to and from their car on range days. This tells anyone and everyone who sees them that they have guns in the apartment.

At motels/hotels, I refuse to leave any guns in the car overnight (unlike the theft-prone FBI) and being able to stow the Sub-Rifle in a laptop case makes no one the wiser.

My In-laws had a large 5th wheel traveling across the country. Keeping a Sub-Rifle hidden in an insulated Pyrex casserole holder made theft unlikely as they went about various activities outside.

Why not a handgun? Because it's easier for them to make hits quickly from 3 feet to 50yds+ without blowing out their unprotected eardrums.

It has its uses.
 
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