meanmrmustard
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Mule? No...more like three legged ass. I mean, donkey.
9mm workhorses poll
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Which CZ? If it's a 9mm 75, they are less than $20 for a 16rd Mec-Gar.
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One should never include the cost of the magazines if a quality firearm is selected and fit well.
Cycletroll
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I should clarify that CZ (or Mec-Gar) mags are often hard to find without ordering them and then shipping costs are involved. Glock magazines are available everywhere for cheap.
I have just ordered a bunch of Mec-Gar's and they are not too expensive but definitely more of a hassle to get than Glock or Ruger mags at least in my area.
Magazines should absolutely be considered in the equation since they are the most failure prone part of any modern auto .
I have just ordered a bunch of Mec-Gar's and they are not too expensive but definitely more of a hassle to get than Glock or Ruger mags at least in my area.
Magazines should absolutely be considered in the equation since they are the most failure prone part of any modern auto .
ForumSurfer
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And you need at least a half dozen if you shoot often. Preferably more.
MCgunner
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Why? I ain't too lazy to reload mags. Hell, I reload cap and ball revolvers at the range and I shoot them a lot. I've got 3 for my Kel Tec, 5 (because I used to shoot IDPA games) for my Ruger 9. I have 2 to four for about everything else. I only have one for my Mk 2.
ForumSurfer
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I like to spend more time shooting and practicing reloads. With two mags I can practice reloads once before I have to stop and pick up mags. With 12 I get 6 repetitions.
Nothing to do with being lazy. I'll often load them up with only 2 to 5 rounds per so I can practice reloads, tac reloads or failures.
MCgunner
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I practice reloads in front of the TV a lot with empty mags, or used to. I don't shoot IDPA anymore and figure in a fight, if I have to reload an 11 round auto, I deserve to die. Marksmanship beats reload speed in the real world. Don't hurt to have boat, but I see a lot of folks working on speed and not hitting squat. You can't miss fast enough.
Hell, i carry a 5 shot revolver a lot.
Do tactical reloads. That way they all wind up in your pocket. Shooting IDPA, probably 80 percent of the reloads I had to do were tact reloads.
Hell, i carry a 5 shot revolver a lot.
Do tactical reloads. That way they all wind up in your pocket. Shooting IDPA, probably 80 percent of the reloads I had to do were tact reloads.
Jonah71
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Haven't fired my Browning HP enough to call it a workhorse. And I traded away the G 26, so I went with my old (ugly OD green) 2003 CZ 75 B Tact. that has been extremely dependable. I'd have to put a lot more rounds through the SP 01 Phantom before I'd call it a "workhorse."
I'm sure the HP would hold up if needed, I just don't shoot it much. But I will this summer.
I'm sure the HP would hold up if needed, I just don't shoot it much. But I will this summer.
ForumSurfer
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Yeah because in the real world I'll never have magazine failures.
I feel it is best not to avoid the reload. It takes quite a bit of work, but it's not costing you a ton of extra time and money to do so.There's no reason not to practice both. If I can shoot 2" groups at X yards all day long, I don't advance my skills by getting comfortable and continuing to do so. At best I'm just maintaining. I add in movement, distance or speed until the groups loosen up....then I work on tightening up the group. Find a point of failure, improve and repeat. I never got good at anything life without experiencing failure first.
meanmrmustard
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Ill shoot while someone reloads for me 
PigButtons
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CZ, workhorse? More like a fine Arabian or a Tenn. Walker. Now Glock, there is a butt ugly workhorse. Both will get you there, both will run forever, one in style, one, well...
MrDig
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More military and police contracts around the world have been fulfilled with the Browning Hi-Power, Contract Productions, or Pirated productions than just about any other gun I can think of.
At the bottom of the article on Wikipedeia is a list.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Browning_Hi-Power
Considering they have been in service since 1935 it will take some time for any other to catch up.
The Hi-Power by sheer numbers is the work horse 9mm hand gun. Add to that the fact that like the Mauser Bolt action most other Semi Auto hand guns are just derivations of the BHP and you have another clear indicator of a work horse.
Even the other Browning design, the 1911(A1)or(A2) doesn't come close to the production numbers of the Browning High Power
At the bottom of the article on Wikipedeia is a list.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Browning_Hi-Power
Considering they have been in service since 1935 it will take some time for any other to catch up.
The Hi-Power by sheer numbers is the work horse 9mm hand gun. Add to that the fact that like the Mauser Bolt action most other Semi Auto hand guns are just derivations of the BHP and you have another clear indicator of a work horse.
Even the other Browning design, the 1911(A1)or(A2) doesn't come close to the production numbers of the Browning High Power
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wacki
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The Navy Seals and the British SAS vote Sig P226. I trust them over any internet poll.
Added bonus: pretty much every US federal agency uses Sig P229.
Added bonus: pretty much every US federal agency uses Sig P229.
MrDig
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The list of places using the BHP is at least twice as long as this one
"Many countries use copies and clones produced by local manufacturers, see above. This incomplete list however includes only users of the original Czech-made CZ 75.
Czech Republic: Used by the Czech Armed Forces.[12] Also used by Czech police forces.[9]
Georgia [13]
Lithuania: Lithuanian Armed Forces.[14]
Poland: Polish army and Polish police (limited use)[15]
Russian Federation: Used by law enforcement [16]
Slovakia: Slovak rail police, military police and the elite paramilitary tactical unit (Slovak: Kukláči)[17]
Thailand:Used by Royal Thai Army special units [18]
Turkey: Turkish police forces.[9]
United States: Used by several police departments[9] and Delta Force.[19]"
The article I linked to is enough of a list that I think my point is proven. I will however cut and paste the list here
"Argentina: Made under license and used by the military.[3][10][11]
Australia: General issue sidearm for Australian Defence Force.[10][11][12]
Bahrain[11]
Bangladesh[11]
Barbados[11]
Belgium: Adopted by the Belgian Army in 1935.[10][13]
Belize[11]
Bermuda[11]
Bolivia[11]
Botswana[11]
Brunei[11]
Burundi[11]
Cambodia[11]
Canada: Canadian Forces used pistols made by the John Inglis Co. of Ontario, Canada.[3][10][11][14] Also used by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP).[15]
Chad[11]
Chile[16]
Republic of China: Used pistols made by the John Inglis Co. of Ontario, Canada.[3]
People's Republic of China: Unlicensed copies were produced by Norinco.[17]
Colombia[11]
Cuba[11]
Cyprus[11]
Democratic Republic of Congo[11]
Denmark[3][11]
Dominican Republic[16]
Ecuador[11]
El Salvador[11]
Estonia[3][18]
Finland[11]
Ghana[11]
Greece: Used pistols made by the John Inglis Co. of Ontario, Canada.[3]
Guatemala[11]
Honduras[11]
Hungary: Identical copy was produced.[19]
India: Produced locally.[10][11][17]
Indonesia: Komando Pasukan Katak (Kopaska) tactical diver group and Komando Pasukan Khusus (Kopassus) special forces group.[20] Made under license by Pindad.[21]
Iraq[11]
Ireland: Replaced by the HK USP.[22]
Israel: Used by YAMAM.[15] Produced locally.[17]
Jamaica: Issued to officers of the Jamaica Defence Force.[23]
Jordan[11]
Kenya[11]
Kuwait[11]
Lebanon[11]
Liberia[11]
Libya[citation needed]
Lithuania[3][11]
Luxembourg[10]: Replaced by Glock 17.[24]
Malawi[11]
Malaysia: General issue sidearms for senior-rank officers and special forces of military and police.[25]
Mozambique[11]
Myanmar[11]
Nazi Germany: Over 300,000 pistols were made for the Wehrmacht after the FN factory was seized by Germany. Pistols were designated the Pistole 640(b).[3]
Nepal[11]
Netherlands[3][11][18]
Nigeria[11]
Oman[11]
Panama[11]
Papua New Guinea: Supplied by Australia.[11][26]
Paraguay[11]
Peru[3][11]
Philippines[11]
Poland[27]
Portugal Since 1935, by the gendarmerie Republican National Guard.[11][28]
Rhodesia[3]
Romania[3]
Rwanda[11]
Saudi Arabia[11]
Sierra Leone[11]
Singapore[10][11]
Sri Lanka[11]
Sudan[11]
Suriname[11]
Syria[29]
Tanzania[11]
Togo[11]
Trinidad and Tobago[11]
Tunisia[11]
Uganda[11]
United Arab Emirates[11]
United Kingdom: Adopted by the British Army in 1954[1][10][11] and by the Northern Ireland Security Guard Service in 1998.[30]
United States: Used by the FBI Hostage Rescue Team.[15]
Uruguay[11]
Venezuela[10][11]
Zimbabwe[11]"
"Many countries use copies and clones produced by local manufacturers, see above. This incomplete list however includes only users of the original Czech-made CZ 75.
Czech Republic: Used by the Czech Armed Forces.[12] Also used by Czech police forces.[9]
Georgia [13]
Lithuania: Lithuanian Armed Forces.[14]
Poland: Polish army and Polish police (limited use)[15]
Russian Federation: Used by law enforcement [16]
Slovakia: Slovak rail police, military police and the elite paramilitary tactical unit (Slovak: Kukláči)[17]
Thailand:Used by Royal Thai Army special units [18]
Turkey: Turkish police forces.[9]
United States: Used by several police departments[9] and Delta Force.[19]"
The article I linked to is enough of a list that I think my point is proven. I will however cut and paste the list here
"Argentina: Made under license and used by the military.[3][10][11]
Australia: General issue sidearm for Australian Defence Force.[10][11][12]
Bahrain[11]
Bangladesh[11]
Barbados[11]
Belgium: Adopted by the Belgian Army in 1935.[10][13]
Belize[11]
Bermuda[11]
Bolivia[11]
Botswana[11]
Brunei[11]
Burundi[11]
Cambodia[11]
Canada: Canadian Forces used pistols made by the John Inglis Co. of Ontario, Canada.[3][10][11][14] Also used by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP).[15]
Chad[11]
Chile[16]
Republic of China: Used pistols made by the John Inglis Co. of Ontario, Canada.[3]
People's Republic of China: Unlicensed copies were produced by Norinco.[17]
Colombia[11]
Cuba[11]
Cyprus[11]
Democratic Republic of Congo[11]
Denmark[3][11]
Dominican Republic[16]
Ecuador[11]
El Salvador[11]
Estonia[3][18]
Finland[11]
Ghana[11]
Greece: Used pistols made by the John Inglis Co. of Ontario, Canada.[3]
Guatemala[11]
Honduras[11]
Hungary: Identical copy was produced.[19]
India: Produced locally.[10][11][17]
Indonesia: Komando Pasukan Katak (Kopaska) tactical diver group and Komando Pasukan Khusus (Kopassus) special forces group.[20] Made under license by Pindad.[21]
Iraq[11]
Ireland: Replaced by the HK USP.[22]
Israel: Used by YAMAM.[15] Produced locally.[17]
Jamaica: Issued to officers of the Jamaica Defence Force.[23]
Jordan[11]
Kenya[11]
Kuwait[11]
Lebanon[11]
Liberia[11]
Libya[citation needed]
Lithuania[3][11]
Luxembourg[10]: Replaced by Glock 17.[24]
Malawi[11]
Malaysia: General issue sidearms for senior-rank officers and special forces of military and police.[25]
Mozambique[11]
Myanmar[11]
Nazi Germany: Over 300,000 pistols were made for the Wehrmacht after the FN factory was seized by Germany. Pistols were designated the Pistole 640(b).[3]
Nepal[11]
Netherlands[3][11][18]
Nigeria[11]
Oman[11]
Panama[11]
Papua New Guinea: Supplied by Australia.[11][26]
Paraguay[11]
Peru[3][11]
Philippines[11]
Poland[27]
Portugal Since 1935, by the gendarmerie Republican National Guard.[11][28]
Rhodesia[3]
Romania[3]
Rwanda[11]
Saudi Arabia[11]
Sierra Leone[11]
Singapore[10][11]
Sri Lanka[11]
Sudan[11]
Suriname[11]
Syria[29]
Tanzania[11]
Togo[11]
Trinidad and Tobago[11]
Tunisia[11]
Uganda[11]
United Arab Emirates[11]
United Kingdom: Adopted by the British Army in 1954[1][10][11] and by the Northern Ireland Security Guard Service in 1998.[30]
United States: Used by the FBI Hostage Rescue Team.[15]
Uruguay[11]
Venezuela[10][11]
Zimbabwe[11]"
I have to give it to the Glock, which I cant stand. Never clicked with them, but I give the devil his due.
It is a workhorse to be rode hard and put away wet, which I would do, since I could never love it.
The highpower is a workhorse I could love, tough, but with beauty and character.
A p95 is the horse I own. Ugly but honest.
It is a workhorse to be rode hard and put away wet, which I would do, since I could never love it.
The highpower is a workhorse I could love, tough, but with beauty and character.
A p95 is the horse I own. Ugly but honest.
I shoot a Sig 226, Glock-17, CZ-75, S&W M&P9, S&W99 and DW PM-9. In addition I carry a Kahr PM-9 and shoot their T-9. For SS competition I use the DW PM-9. For the other pistol games I use either the S&W M&P, S&W99, CZ-75 or G-17. I have not shot the Sigg 226 for some time since I prefer the ergonomics of the others.
I know if you are in the Istanbul airport you will see a lot of CZ75's on the side of the police, not just the clones but original ones. I can say this from personal experience.
Poohgyrr
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From your list, the Hi Power works best for me, but I carry a 5906 more often.
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