Attempt at Ammo Ban (ammo serialization) in Arizona!
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HK G3
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This is absolutely insane. I never thought we'd see this nonsense in AZ.
Hopefully the legislature will kill it... is the NRA working to fight this one?
Hopefully the legislature will kill it... is the NRA working to fight this one?
swifteagle
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Warren
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This bill, like the one in Illin'OY! Is not meant to be complied with. It is unreasonable for a reason.
It is meant to:
1) create 1000s of criminals and give the government more leverage over your life.
2) kill off the gun culture.
I'm sure we will see it here in Ca before too long. As well as NJ, NYC, Mass, and HI.
It is meant to:
1) create 1000s of criminals and give the government more leverage over your life.
2) kill off the gun culture.
I'm sure we will see it here in Ca before too long. As well as NJ, NYC, Mass, and HI.
darkknight
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they tried it in ca a few years back and it failed.
BlackBearME
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Wow, AZ statutes are interesting to navigate.
Anyway, IANAL, YMMV, other standard disclaimers apply, but I can't find anywhere where "manufacturer" is defined...meaning they could theoretically apply it to reloaders.
If I were in AZ, I'd be PO'd right now.
Anyway, IANAL, YMMV, other standard disclaimers apply, but I can't find anywhere where "manufacturer" is defined...meaning they could theoretically apply it to reloaders.
If I were in AZ, I'd be PO'd right now.
Warren
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There is another thread about the same sort of thing being attempted in Ill, and reloading, according to the OP, would be banned.
rocinante
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LAME but in an odd way kind of encouraging. The anti never loses sight of the ultimate goal of an unarmed and defenseless population. Unfortunate for them the tide has turned away from their call for out and out banning and confiscating firearms. I truly believe most Americans do not want to surrender at least owning a gun for defensive purposes never mind if they understand 2nd amendment issues or not. So an out and out DC like ban won't fly. So the latest and greatest tactic is to make owning guns too expensive and too much of a hassle and cover the effort under the noble cloak of CRIME prevention. The trend is microstamping and serializing of ammunition. To sheeple this might almost sound "REASONABLE". The antis can't take down one of the corner post of American freedom in one fell swope so they will keep hacking at it until it topples. Bet they are surprised how tough this pillar is. Not going down easy is it?
I wrote each of my congressional folks a congratulatory message on their signing of the 2nd amendment support brief. Got a real strong 2nd amendment support message back from Senator Chambliss. Both Georgia senators and all our representatives but two very liberal Democrats. For the life of me I can not understand why a black politician of any political persuasion would not support the 2nd amendment especially when so much gun control law in the past was specifically designed to suppress blacks RKBA. This was a key enough point it was written into the 14th amendment. IT IS IMPORTANT TO FREEDOM.
I wrote each of my congressional folks a congratulatory message on their signing of the 2nd amendment support brief. Got a real strong 2nd amendment support message back from Senator Chambliss. Both Georgia senators and all our representatives but two very liberal Democrats. For the life of me I can not understand why a black politician of any political persuasion would not support the 2nd amendment especially when so much gun control law in the past was specifically designed to suppress blacks RKBA. This was a key enough point it was written into the 14th amendment. IT IS IMPORTANT TO FREEDOM.
TheFringe
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Also presently being proposed in WA state.
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/billdocs/2007-08/Pdf/Bills/House Bills/3359.pdf
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/billdocs/2007-08/Pdf/Bills/House Bills/3359.pdf
ZeSpectre
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If (God Forbid) any of this crap goes through I see a HUGE "grey market" in ammo where someone buys tons of different lots, mixes them all up, and then re-fills various boxes with mis-matched serial numbers and sells the boxes of ammo just to scroodle with the system.
Standing Wolf
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Stupid ideas are like AIDS: both contagious and deadly.
RoadkingLarry
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I see this as a concerted plan of action by the anti crowd. you just don't see this type of legislation "pop up" out of the blue in this many states by coincidence.
Unfortunately we do have some "Progressive" (new word for “liberal”) Democrats in Arizona that believe that anything that gets passed in California must be good for us. But unless there is a massive change in the makeup of the Arizona Legislature this proposal won't get far. Anyone that's elected to office from the rural counties (and Arizona is mostly rural) that backs this will be in serious trouble following the next election after this one, if not the one that's coming up.
What Progressives in both parties hope to do is get this legislation passed in enough states so that the manufacturers cannot ignore it, and will have to comply or lose too much of the overall market. However if the arms makers make it clear that they won’t submit, and refuse to ship any product into those states that have enacted such laws, and include their law enforcement establishments, it wouldn’t be long before some changes were made. If they do go along with it, the Progressives will simply keep coming up with ridiculous requirements until the manufacturers are so burdened that they can’t make anything anymore. Sooner or later they will have to draw a line in the sand, and refuse to cross it.
What Progressives in both parties hope to do is get this legislation passed in enough states so that the manufacturers cannot ignore it, and will have to comply or lose too much of the overall market. However if the arms makers make it clear that they won’t submit, and refuse to ship any product into those states that have enacted such laws, and include their law enforcement establishments, it wouldn’t be long before some changes were made. If they do go along with it, the Progressives will simply keep coming up with ridiculous requirements until the manufacturers are so burdened that they can’t make anything anymore. Sooner or later they will have to draw a line in the sand, and refuse to cross it.
TEDDY
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ammo
the NRA can do only so much its up to gun owners to load on their legislaters.
this is also a good reason not to rely on factory ammo.get reloading equipment and casting set up.then you will know you will always have the ability to load your own.and stop this rapid fireing,take time to become excelent shooters.garenteed to hit you target.
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the NRA can do only so much its up to gun owners to load on their legislaters.
this is also a good reason not to rely on factory ammo.get reloading equipment and casting set up.then you will know you will always have the ability to load your own.and stop this rapid fireing,take time to become excelent shooters.garenteed to hit you target.
---:banghead:jlday70
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HOLY CRAP!!! What state in the union hasn't gone overboard on the freeking stupid unenforcable laws??? I am saving my money for my own island. This country has gone crazy
It has been said that if we don't learn from history we are doomed to live it over and over again.... just look up all of the countries in history that have taken peoples gun rights away. Then look what happened to that country within 20 years after that happened.
Right now we are living history over again in many different ways. From the Roman Senate taking the power away from Ceaser, to Hitler taking the peoples right to protect themself away.
It has been said that if we don't learn from history we are doomed to live it over and over again.... just look up all of the countries in history that have taken peoples gun rights away. Then look what happened to that country within 20 years after that happened.
Right now we are living history over again in many different ways. From the Roman Senate taking the power away from Ceaser, to Hitler taking the peoples right to protect themself away.
Ske1etor
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This same bill got shot down in California for a reason. The reason is this. If I buy a box of ammo and someone breaks into my home and steals them, or takes a couple out of a box while I am at the range and shoots someone with them... guess what? I am going to jail. There would be no way to prove that the ammo was stolen and your name is basically on the bullet.
It will not pass in AZ.
It will not pass in AZ.
Any chance this could be slapped as a being against the every populare gun controllers "catch all" of the interstate commerce acts.
Hey, it's been used against firearms holders enough times.
If any cases were ever passed, this would create a patchwork quilt of conflicting laws at the state level that would act as an unreasonable restraint on interstate commerce.
It doesn't meet federal guidelines on issues such as OSHA, the provision of serial numbers does not add to health and safety, demonstrably add value, reduce crime etc, would enforce State X's requirements on State Y's firearms manufacturer etc.
Just a thought......
Hey, it's been used against firearms holders enough times.
If any cases were ever passed, this would create a patchwork quilt of conflicting laws at the state level that would act as an unreasonable restraint on interstate commerce.
It doesn't meet federal guidelines on issues such as OSHA, the provision of serial numbers does not add to health and safety, demonstrably add value, reduce crime etc, would enforce State X's requirements on State Y's firearms manufacturer etc.
Just a thought......
mordechaianiliewicz
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I've noticed there are several stupid laws proposed in AZ by California transplants. I remember a law designed to stop the Minutemen's activities that would have made it illegal for
A.) Private citizens (including ranchers) would not be able to carry a gun on their own property.
B.) Private armed security would have been effectively banned.
Y'all out there, keep them fools locked down to Phoenix and Tucson. That stuff cannot spread. You have a real nice state. Keep it that way.
(I'm wondering if you can get a bill proposal put out that would keep California Democrats and Greens from being able to move into Arizona. It would be equally stupid, unconstitutional, and wrong.)
A.) Private citizens (including ranchers) would not be able to carry a gun on their own property.
B.) Private armed security would have been effectively banned.
Y'all out there, keep them fools locked down to Phoenix and Tucson. That stuff cannot spread. You have a real nice state. Keep it that way.
(I'm wondering if you can get a bill proposal put out that would keep California Democrats and Greens from being able to move into Arizona. It would be equally stupid, unconstitutional, and wrong.)
WildeKurt
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Microstamping, serial numbering, etc. seems to be the current flavor of gun control. We just need to keep up the pressure on our governments to stop this foolishness.
mhillsing23
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I just read about the IL proposal this AM. Sad stuff!
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I am furious. I moved here from California for many reasons, One of which: PRO GUN.
I have written a lengthy letter to my representatives clearly stating my opposition to HB2833. I included my reasons, and made it clear that I was not alone.
I urge all ARIZONA residents to write your elected officials. I understand that it has yet to pass in many other states, most of which anti gun, but if we assume it will get shot down with out any opposition, we could be in a world of hurt.
I am furious. I moved here from California for many reasons, One of which: PRO GUN.
I have written a lengthy letter to my representatives clearly stating my opposition to HB2833. I included my reasons, and made it clear that I was not alone.
I urge all ARIZONA residents to write your elected officials. I understand that it has yet to pass in many other states, most of which anti gun, but if we assume it will get shot down with out any opposition, we could be in a world of hurt.
I am glad my grandmother (Democrat) has passed so she doesn't have to see what her party has become. A communistic organization to prison American's and take our freedoms.
But then again with the kids today being the voters it will not be long before the younger generation's vote their life away. :banghead:
But then again with the kids today being the voters it will not be long before the younger generation's vote their life away. :banghead:
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