Welcome to THR, Rex. I am a very satisfied customer and after I made my first purchase from Buds, I have not looked back to the local stores and gun shows. You guys have absolutely the best prices and stellar customer service. It's a pleasure dealing with you guys. Happy to hear that Bud's will have THR specials. Great stuff. My next purchase will be a Saiga in .223. Any chance of you guys carrying those at some point in time?
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Lostfantum
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I also am a resident of The Peoples Republic of Maryland. In the past had wanted to purchase firearms off Gunbroker from you and was unable to. As you have noticed there are quite a few people from here that are interested in spending our money with your business. In the future I hope we will be able to. As other residents of Maryland have said drop in to the MDShooters.com forum.
And even at that there are a couple of considerations that would permit the sale of those firearms in MD.
I don't have the statute at my fingertips, but I believe the fired shell casing law only applies to manufacturers. Since you already have possession of the firearm they are not coming from the manufacturer and can thus be sold here.
I can't quote this chapter and verse so take it with a grain of salt.
The other option is that there are FFLs in the state that have manufacturer's licenses and are thus authorized to do the fired shell case for the MSP. I know that Ted at Engage Armament was very clear that he was legally able to do this.
kwelz
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Hi there Bud, when I was working at Kiesler's Wholesale we had similar policies. Yes we got some Flak for it but when it comes down to it you just don't have a choice sometimes.
Some places are either to much of a hassle or just to dangerous to ship firearms into.
For the detractors, did you know that if a gunshop sells an off list gun to another gunshop in Cali, they don't just come after the shop, they come after the individual salesman as well. I sold one and only one gun in California and it took me hours just to make sure it was legal there.
Some places are either to much of a hassle or just to dangerous to ship firearms into.
For the detractors, did you know that if a gunshop sells an off list gun to another gunshop in Cali, they don't just come after the shop, they come after the individual salesman as well. I sold one and only one gun in California and it took me hours just to make sure it was legal there.
kingpin008
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Azizza - That's part of the issue - it's not that MD is overly hostile towards gun sales, or that MD is more tricky than other locations (it's certainly easier to buy and sell guns here than it is in Cali, for instance) it's the fact that the reason Bud decided to stop sales to us here was in reaction to an incident that involved two parties unrelated to Bud himself. Yes, one was a friend, but that still doesn't change the facts. And by all accounts, the incident in question had nothing to do with the FFL's on either end conducting illegal business - it was the actions of the individual who bought the gun that somehow ended up with both FFL's being revoked.
That's got nothing to do with MD law whatsoever, regardless of whether or not some local politicians ganged up on the FFL's in question. They don't have the ability to get licenses revoked - the Feds do.
So the argument that a dealer has to be careful where they ship because of certain states having tougher laws in regards to the business of selling and buying guns doesn't really make a whole lot of sense.
That's got nothing to do with MD law whatsoever, regardless of whether or not some local politicians ganged up on the FFL's in question. They don't have the ability to get licenses revoked - the Feds do.
So the argument that a dealer has to be careful where they ship because of certain states having tougher laws in regards to the business of selling and buying guns doesn't really make a whole lot of sense.
it is safer to sell to MD than California
you just need to talk to some who KNOWS our laws
and get the help you need in order to sell to MD again
I think your company has a good selection and prices as well
I also think your used section is nice
however if you wont sell to MD for a silly reason (because someone leaned on you)
than that is a shame for you and money lost from your pocket
you just need to talk to some who KNOWS our laws
and get the help you need in order to sell to MD again
I think your company has a good selection and prices as well
I also think your used section is nice
however if you wont sell to MD for a silly reason (because someone leaned on you)
than that is a shame for you and money lost from your pocket
LSCurrier
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It is hard enough living in NY being treated like a criminal by your own state government, but when a gun store (online or otherwise) looks upon you as a criminal even though you legally have a handgun license and have been cleared by a FBI background check it REALLY HURTS!!
I would like to purchase guns from Budsgunshop.com, but since I live in Suffolk County, NY I am branded unwanted.
I got to get out of this state so I can be treated like the honest guy I try to be.
Luke
I would like to purchase guns from Budsgunshop.com, but since I live in Suffolk County, NY I am branded unwanted.
I got to get out of this state so I can be treated like the honest guy I try to be.
Luke
jrhines
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Norton is right...
The section of Md code defining the gun identification requirements (Maryland Annotated Code, 5-131) starts with a paragraph of definitions, and defines a manufacture as one who holds a license to manufacture firearms. It then says that when a manufacturer ships a gun into Md they must include a fired shell casing in a sealed envelope with a description of the firearm and the signature of the casing collector on it. My take is if you are a stocking dealer in Md, you don't sell new Kimbers, if you are a Joe-Blow Gun shop not in Md, no casing required.
How 'bout them apples??
The section of Md code defining the gun identification requirements (Maryland Annotated Code, 5-131) starts with a paragraph of definitions, and defines a manufacture as one who holds a license to manufacture firearms. It then says that when a manufacturer ships a gun into Md they must include a fired shell casing in a sealed envelope with a description of the firearm and the signature of the casing collector on it. My take is if you are a stocking dealer in Md, you don't sell new Kimbers, if you are a Joe-Blow Gun shop not in Md, no casing required.
How 'bout them apples??
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budsgunshop.com
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I have a little trouble buying this one. Back when we did ship to MD, we had dealers calling quite often that either "misplaced" the shell casing or the necessary documentation that went with it. So....I can't imagine them going for no shell casing at all from us.
Which brings up a whole other issue for consideration. As you can imagine, with our low prices, there are many FFL dealers who are not at all happy with us shipping firearms into their state, much less their store. One way some FFL dealers have found to get between us and our customers satisfaction is to claim there is something deficient with the order....no fired shell casing, magazines "missing", scratches on new guns, etc. The one I like the best, just because it is so easy to disprove....is that the gun "is not there yet". We ship all our firearms Signature Required....so we know when the guns are delivered...and sometimes we have to remind the dealers of that.
There are a lot of great FFL dealers out there, actually most are....but like with most things I guess, a few bad apples also.
budsgunshop.com
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Don't be so hard on yourself LSCurrier....you, and our business, are not unwanted. It is obvious you are a man of faith...and when you get right down to it, that's all that really matters.....the rest is just temporary details.
PM me sometime with what you want to buy....I'll see what I can do for you. God Bless.
welcome to THR. but to me it is insulting to not send stuff to states where it is legal to do so. i understand certain hassles. i live in MA and while the MA AG is way overstepping his bounds on the mail order of ammo to MA, i do understand your position on things like that
now i am not familiar with your policies. but many web vendors simply refuse to sell almost anything gun related to MA, despite the complete lack of laws or case examples to the contrary. simply put. use reason. if something like ammo has a history of being a problem then ok, thats reasonable. but don't discount MA or states like it from ordering other non restricted parts.
if you dont make some attempt to cater to me and try for the sale, i will pass you up right away, and i am a spite full person and even after i move from a restricted state i will remember your stances against me. i have experienced a number of sites that will say "no mags to MA" and you Email them and they say, "ya np, just fax us your LTC" thats a reasonable compromise.
again, im not familiar with your policies, you may be one of the better, but i wanted to express my opinion on many of the themes i see from web vendors
now i am not familiar with your policies. but many web vendors simply refuse to sell almost anything gun related to MA, despite the complete lack of laws or case examples to the contrary. simply put. use reason. if something like ammo has a history of being a problem then ok, thats reasonable. but don't discount MA or states like it from ordering other non restricted parts.
if you dont make some attempt to cater to me and try for the sale, i will pass you up right away, and i am a spite full person and even after i move from a restricted state i will remember your stances against me. i have experienced a number of sites that will say "no mags to MA" and you Email them and they say, "ya np, just fax us your LTC" thats a reasonable compromise.
again, im not familiar with your policies, you may be one of the better, but i wanted to express my opinion on many of the themes i see from web vendors
budsgunshop.com
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That's what forums are for....so express away. If you are ever interested in getting familiar with our policies ?....they are clearly stated on our website....www.budsgunshop.com
For all of you throwing barbs at Rex on here about budsgunshop.com's policies remember, they are running a business and have families to feed and they are not trying to risk losing everything. Rex is actually trying to find out information from MD residents so one day budsgunshop.com may sell in that state. It is called doing your research and you should be happy that he is trying to learn more from you MD residents. If you were in Bud's place and you heard something that could potentially cause you to lose your business would you not be cautious also? We do not have all the facts and Rex is now assessing the situation. He should be congratulated for even putting forth the effort to learn more about the MD situation.
And Rex, I have YET to purchase anything from Bud's Gun Shop, (but I'm going to soon because the prices are great) but I have called before to ask about transfer policies and you all were very friendly. Welcome to the board.
And Rex, I have YET to purchase anything from Bud's Gun Shop, (but I'm going to soon because the prices are great) but I have called before to ask about transfer policies and you all were very friendly. Welcome to the board.
kingpin008
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Cel - In case you haven't noticed, those of us who live in MD and who have been giving Rex "the business" as the saying goes, HAVE been congratulating him for taking the initiative to join up here, as well as being willing to learn what we have to say on the matter and discuss the issue with Bud. Hell, I was probably the first one to start on Rex with the questions and frustration, and if you read back in the comments, I made it a point to apologize to him for initially coming off as aggressive as I did.
We all realize that Bud and his employees have a business to run, and we're not trying to take that away from him. In fact, we're trying desperately to give them our business, which so far, we've been prohibited from doing.
So before anyone accuses us of demanding Bud to do anything that's any more dangerous business-wise than he already does every day in the gun-selling business - think again. There are multitudes of dealers who own successful gun shops in this state, and countless more who ship guns of all types in to this state every day without issue. We're just trying to get Bud to see that one incident with questionable circumstances is a poor reason to cut off an entire state's worth of customers.
We all realize that Bud and his employees have a business to run, and we're not trying to take that away from him. In fact, we're trying desperately to give them our business, which so far, we've been prohibited from doing.
So before anyone accuses us of demanding Bud to do anything that's any more dangerous business-wise than he already does every day in the gun-selling business - think again. There are multitudes of dealers who own successful gun shops in this state, and countless more who ship guns of all types in to this state every day without issue. We're just trying to get Bud to see that one incident with questionable circumstances is a poor reason to cut off an entire state's worth of customers.
kingpin008
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Fair enough man. Just sayin'. There have been a lot of folks pulling out the "I don't blame ya for not wanting to sell to a state with such harsh and restrictive laws" nonsense.
That particular line of reasoning doesn't apply here, for the reasons I outlined in my reply to Azizza's comment. I guess I just took your comment sort of like that.
...and it's late. I get a bit over-sensitive when I'm sleepy.
That particular line of reasoning doesn't apply here, for the reasons I outlined in my reply to Azizza's comment. I guess I just took your comment sort of like that.
...and it's late. I get a bit over-sensitive when I'm sleepy.
kingpin008
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I sincerely hope they change their policies. I don't have a lot of money to spend on guns, but what I do, supports the shops that support me. I'm a big believer in returning to shop at the places that treat me right, and from what I've heard from folks who can order from Bud's, they're top-notch business people. I've never doubted that. It's just tough when everyone else gets to enjoy the goodies, and you're locked out for a reason that, while generally understandable, seems...silly and unnecessary.
But as I said - Rex is a good man for being willing to come here and talk to us face-to-face, and attempt to find a workable solution to the problem. Gotta respect a man (and a company) who's not afraid to take some lumps from frustrated individuals on a public forum like this.
But as I said - Rex is a good man for being willing to come here and talk to us face-to-face, and attempt to find a workable solution to the problem. Gotta respect a man (and a company) who's not afraid to take some lumps from frustrated individuals on a public forum like this.
jrhines
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Norton was right...
And did you notice that no one cared, don't give me facts, my mind is made up! I gave the citation and paraphrased the content, nada, bupkus. Oh well, we tried.
And did you notice that no one cared, don't give me facts, my mind is made up! I gave the citation and paraphrased the content, nada, bupkus. Oh well, we tried.
Car Knocker
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kingpin008
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Rex - There ya go!
Plain english, as per MD law.
As far as worrying about dealers being shady and trying to play games with your shipments to your customers - I can't imagine that that's a situation unique to dealers in MD, so why you've brought it up here is somewhat of a mystery.
Plain english, as per MD law.
As far as worrying about dealers being shady and trying to play games with your shipments to your customers - I can't imagine that that's a situation unique to dealers in MD, so why you've brought it up here is somewhat of a mystery.
JohnMcD348
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I just wanted to chime in and say welcome. I haven't bought from you yet but plan to in the coming months.
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