Carrying Into Other People's Homes

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Loosedhorse said:
Assuming we agree with Mr. Smith (I don't), the solution to being thus insulted should be to leave, yes? Not to stay and carry anyway.
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Of course. I'm not going to stay in the home of someone who insults me, and I'm certainly not going to disarm myself to appease someone who's insulted me.

What I wonder about though, is why anyone would go out of their way to keep the homeowner from finding out that they're armed. Why would you want to be in the home of someone who feels that way? Maybe I just take my human rights and dignity more seriously than most.

Would you want to be in the home of someone who wouldn't want you there if you failed to hide or remove a religious article?
 
What I wonder about though, is why anyone would go out of their way to keep the homeowner from finding out that they're armed.
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Perhaps because my business or interaction with them has nothing to do with my firearm or firearms in general. Perhaps I'd like to conduct my interaction with them without bringing superfluous side issues into it which could slow down or even completely hinder whatever purpose I have for meeting with them.

Why would you want to be in the home of someone who feels that way?
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I'm occasionally in the homes of various people for many different reasons. I'm not in the habit of quizzing them on their beliefs, habits or opinions, nor consulting them on whether they approve of any of mine. Lots of different folks in the world, and no one's going to agree with you 100%. Might as well conduct your business and get on with life rather than worrying about every opinion anyone you meet might have or forcing them to agree with yours.

Maybe I just take my human rights and dignity more seriously than most.
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No. That's probably not it. Might be some other reason though. Hard to say.

Would you want to be in the home of someone who wouldn't want you there if you failed to hide or remove a religious article?
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Why would I care? If my religious beliefs are part of the reason I'm in their home, then its an issue. If I'm there for other reasons I can't see why they'd have any inkling of my religious proclivities.
 
Why would I care? If my religious beliefs are part of the reason I'm in their home, then its an issue. If I'm there for other reasons I can't see why they'd have any inkling of my religious proclivities.
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Let's use a hypothetical situation.

Suppose you were Jewish and you happened to wear a necklace with a Star of David on it. Would you make an effort to hide that necklace from homeowners on the chance they're anti-Semitic? If you knew beforehand that they were anti-Semitic, would you choose to keep your religion to yourself and hope they don't discover it? If they did discover it, would you do something like to renouncing your faith in hopes of appeasing them?

I don't need everyone to agree with with me 100%, and very few people do. As long as there's mutual tolerance there's no problem. If they can't tolerate me though, I won't waste my time by abasing myself.
 
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Like Popyee used to say, I am what I am and that's what I am. No need to explain things to people. It only sounds like you are making excuses, convicts do that. You are free men. Others fought and died to give all of us these rights. Don't explain freedom to some guy who dosen't understand it. It will ruin your day. Send him to THR so he can get an education in the art of interpeting the 2nd. If you want a free society you must be ready to defend it at all times. No Dictator shall infringe upon my rights, don't tread on me. Keep your house and enjoy it I will sit under an oak tree and enjoy my freedoms. "or in my Mercedes". Old saying when we used to be kids, I've been thrown out of better places than this.
 
My ability to communicate clearly isn't what I'd like it to be. :rolleyes:

The original post:
Do you normally inform someone that you carry prior to going to their home with the gun, or if you're going to a friends do you just not carry?
Two questions. Answer to the first question is "No" Answer to the second question is also "No"

I know some are made uncomfortable or offended by carrying without their consent.
More of a statement than a question, but I would agree, there are some people who are made uncomfortable or offended by (weapons) carrying without their consent. You just can't convince or make everyone happy.

What is the proper etiquette?
I don't believe there is a single proper etiquette on this issue. This discussion seems to prove that point. Barring a statutory requirement to notify, I believe it is my right to choose whether and how I answer any question. It is also my right to speak at all. I think each of us will need to make our own decision on what is proper etiquette.


I never saw either implied or directly any part of the original post as questioning the right to possess a weapon. For me, this simply was not a 2nd Amendment issue. No surprise here, but I believe and will defend a citizen's right to keep and bear arms. I wish each state and the federal government would recognize Constitutional Carry and end the confusing patchwork mess of state and local regulations on the carrying of weapons. To me it seems asinine that in many places you have more rights to open carry a firearm than carry concealed. Which is more dangerous, open carry or a concealed weapon? Neither/either depending on who is carrying it and what they do with it. How it is carried should not matter. The fact that a few states legislate notification of weapon carrying on private property just seems dumb. However, the bottom line is; it doesn't matter what I think or what I feel. I have to deal with the laws as they are written. Until I, or somebody else can change those laws then I will obey them unless they clearly endanger me or my family. As free adults, we should do no less.

Maybe someone here saw something more in the OP than I did. It wouldn't be the first time I missed the underlying meaning in something.

Good luck citizens.
 
Suppose you were Jewish and you happened to wear a necklace with a Star of David on it. Would you make an effort to hide that necklace from homeowners on the chance they're anti-Semitic? If you knew beforehand that they were anti-Semitic, would you choose to keep your religion to yourself and hope they don't discover it? If they did discover it, would you do something like to renouncing your faith in hopes of appeasing them?
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Why am I there? Does it have something to do with my religion? Do I need to force them to accept my religious nature, or do I need to conduct my business and move along? My dealings with them can be completely divorced from their views on side issues, or mine. If their prejudices about some fundamental facet of who I am cause them to terminate our business/contact, the loss is theirs.

I don't need everyone to agree with with me 100%, and very few people do. As long as there's mutual tolerance there's no problem. If they can't tolerate me though, I won't waste my time by abasing myself.
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Right. Neither would I. I also wouldn't waste my time forcing a confrontation, either. Conduct business, conclude business, move along.

Part of being secure in yourself and comfortable about who you are is being above concerns over what others think about you, whether they like you, and not seeking or forcing the approval of others.

ETA: Having said all of that, there are aspects of this conversation that are starting to drift into what a certain religious belief/persuasion might force you to do or act like in a public, visible way. Those discussions are completely outside of the scope of THR, so let's not go that way. Nothing about carrying a defensive sidearm concealed or openly is equivalent to some religious structure about displaying or proselytizing your faith, so we don't need to delve into those themes.
 
This thread begins to get a little bit silly. You can't make everyone happy. Do what you believe is right and keep it to yourself. If you believe you ought to announce that you are wearing a gun, do so. If not, leave well enough alone. If you are not ashamed to be a gun owner, then you shouldn't be ashamed to have convictions regarding how to handle your own guns.
 
For me the whole point is to exorcise ones rights. A property owner has rights and who am I to ignore them, I will follow their wishes. It is their property and their right, don't disrespect that:mad:.
 
i'd never personally tell unless i was directly asked the question "joe, do you have a gun"? lots of people are crazy, when i bought my first gun my step mom AND my biological mom told me 'you wont be bringing that into my home' needless to say this stance lasted about 48 hours until they needed my help with something. i learned from that experience, somethings are better left unknown.
 
I find it weird that some people....carriers...treat carrying like it's wrong. "I'd inform someone I was carrying into their home." The basic presumption there is that it's wrong or at least impolite. Do you also tell them you have a cell phone or pepper spray?

I would mention something I consider an imposition...'excuse me but I parked in your driveway...is that ok?' but I wouldnt bring up my gun for no reason.

And I dont see someone pointedly asking me when I came to visit...that seems unlkely, so I would just carry.

I believe in the saying..."If you know you'll need a gun, dont go there." Meaning that I carry at all times possible because you never know when you'll need it. So that means I would not have my gun with me enroute to someone's house too (if I chose not to carry to someone's house). Because I also try to avoid leaving my gun in my car...it's not secure. So far I only have a cable and I consider that a joke security-wise.

It's never come up tho, altho I havent carried that long. (2 yrs). Most people dont state 'no guns' in their invitations and very few people know I carry so no one would ask me about it.
 
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honestly if i had an acquaitance/family member/friend who decided they did not want me carrying a legal weapon for the purpose of self defense, i'd probably cancel all future plans to visit that particular residence, on safety grounds.
 
THE DARK KNIGHT said:
Yes, because keys and pocket knives are certainly just as effective weapons as a handgun...Come on you can't be serious with this example.
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What is the assumption here? A pocket knife is as dangerous as the weilder makes it...just like a gun. In either case, the supposition is that the carrier will not use it except in defense. Other than that, you have no protection against anyone carrying a weapon, ever.

If you are that concerned, dont invite people you dont know or trust into your home. If you are the carrier, can you or can you not retain control of your possessions?
 
Alberforth said:
The host sets the terms. This means that your judgment of what ought to be okay isn't relevant: it's not your home.

You really do owe a duty to the host to abide by their rules. Avoiding the issue by not bringing it up is using the host's ignorance as a veil for you to do something you know they may not want.

Imagine "don't ask, don't' tell" with any number of other issues, for instance alcohol--would you argue that it's fine to bring a bottle of your favorite refreshment hidden so you can have a little on the side when going to the home of someone who is completely against it and wants none in their home?

The host sets the terms, and that right even extends to being wrong about things.
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Wow. So I am supposed to ask any home I visit if I can carry my gun?

Can they also ask if I'm carrying pepper spray? A knife? Should they feel they have the right to frisk me?

I respect property rights. I also believe in privacy rights. Unless I am carrying something radioactive, it has no bearing on any other person.

And as for the alcohol.....what if my cross offends an athiest I'm visiting...even if it's hidden under my shirt?

Am I supposed to disclose my political party when I visit someone too? From the way people write on this forum, as a Democrat it sounds like I'd be asked to leave alot of homes, because they object to that party.

IMO it's not about personal ethics....we all have differing opinions. I have friends of a wide variety of views. It's about safety. Are people saying that carrying guns isnt safe?
 
The fact that some people seem to be completely ignorant, when it comes to the rights of others - home owners/Hosts in this case - when it comes to their gun rights .... amazes me.


If a friend or a member of the community who u respect
states he does not want a gun inside his house - u can
of course ignore and ccw.

If you get made - you will lose his respect. For being ignorant.
 
Mp7 said:
The fact that some people seem to be completely ignorant, when it comes to the rights of others - home owners/Hosts in this case - when it comes to their gun rights .... amazes me.


If a friend or a member of the community who u respect
states he does not want a gun inside his house - u can
of course ignore and ccw.

If you get made - you will lose his respect. For being ignorant.
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What about his/her respect for my rights? Like I said...does he/she also need to approve my religion or political leanings?

People like that are generally not my friends to begin with.

To be honest, there isnt one friend or acquaintance I know that would object to my carrying in their home...mostly because it hasnt come up. I wouldnt go out of my way to find out or ask....nor would they have reason to ask me if I was packing.

If I'm invited to someone I dont know's home....unless they have a sign posted, why would I assume they object? Again, I do not assume that carrying a gun is wrong or impolite.
 
Do I give up my right to free speech when I go to someone's home? No. Am I rude and deliberately discuss inflammatory subjects or opinions? No.

Can I? Yes. (but I'm not that kind of person) If they dont like it they can ask me to leave, and I will.

If for some reason they discover I'm carrying, and they object, I will leave. But I also have a reasonable right to privacy...are they concerned that I'm carrying in illicit booze or a wiccan star in opposition to their religious beliefs?

If this discussion is not about personal ethics ^^^, then it must be about how dangerous guns are. And to me, that just gives anti-gun advocates loads of ammunition against us.
 
Didn't you see that little booth by the garage 9M, first you step in there and you get a full body MRI. I want to make sure that bottle of wine you brought isn't going to explode, so we are going to run some preassure tests on it in that chamber to your left. Now if you wouldn't mind putting all your stuff in the basket, that will go through the hyperbolic chamber and be scanned and sprayed with a chemical, "it's nothing really" oh and just throw your shoes in there. If you notice your barrell has now been plugged, so please don't attempt to shoot any of the intruders if we have a home invasion, our robots will take care of them. Ok now once we get you into that carbon fiber suit, we can get down to some Turkey. The turkey has been subjected to a cavity search just to put your mind at ease. All canned goods are DOJ approved. Now get th hell in here you agnostic sob, been a long time. Don't worry about the guys in the plastic suits they are just going to "detail" your truck.
 
Do I give up my right to free speech when I go to someone's home? No.
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Yes, you do.

The remedy is that you can be ordered to leave (even if under the form of being requested).
 
I do not tell. I do not tell because the law prohibits it and I could lose my license for doing so. Penal Code 12050 requires the gun to remain concealed. The purpose of this is to hide the fact that the gun is present. Due to the fact that I live in a very populated county, the issuing authority has no discretion to issue a permit for open carry where I live. Issuing authorities in rural counties may do so but those permits are only good within the borders of those counties. Again, the idea is that in populated urban areas they do not want people to know you have a gun because it has the potential to create needless, dangerous and expensive emergency calls to law enforcement. Concealed means concealed, even (actually ESPECIALLY) from you gun-skittish friends and family. At least where I live.
 
Actually you are right. Bringing up that you have a gun, can be interpreted as a threat. You can't use it for leverage, or even say you have one during a confontation,or argument, even a fight "which that could easily turn into". So that's it then no discussing guns with strangers or non strangers unless you are both of the same mind. And then of course it's a fine line to "brandishing". You can't takeit out, so that's that.
 
brickeyee said:
Yes, you do.

The remedy is that you can be ordered to leave (even if under the form of being requested).
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You are kind of making my point for me.

That's pretty much what I said. I dont give up my right...however I comply with the property owner's rights when our rights conflict. I leave, I dont stay and restrain my right to free speech.
 
gym said:
Didn't you see that little booth by the garage 9M, first you step in there and you get a full body MRI. I want to make sure that bottle of wine you brought isn't going to explode, so we are going to run some preassure tests on it in that chamber to your left. Now if you wouldn't mind putting all your stuff in the basket, that will go through the hyperbolic chamber and be scanned and sprayed with a chemical, "it's nothing really" oh and just throw your shoes in there. If you notice your barrell has now been plugged, so please don't attempt to shoot any of the intruders if we have a home invasion, our robots will take care of them. Ok now once we get you into that carbon fiber suit, we can get down to some Turkey. The turkey has been subjected to a cavity search just to put your mind at ease. All canned goods are DOJ approved. Now get th hell in here you agnostic sob, been a long time. Don't worry about the guys in the plastic suits they are just going to "detail" your truck.
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OK that was funny.

Now give me my wine flask back!
 
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