Carrying Into Other People's Homes

[rellascout]

It is my legal right until my government strips me of it.

You have no legal right to carry a gun on someone else's private property.

 

[youngda9]

You have no legal right to carry a gun on someone else's private property.

You do. I posted this before as a response to the exact thing you are claiming again...I'll elaborate:

I do, until told otherwise. I will obey and all federal and state laws until notified on your property that you have a more refined set of laws that I must abide if I wish to stay. This is the EXACT way things are handled in businesses and residences...no different.

The 2A(federal) and my carry license(state supplied) sets the president until you tell me I cannot carry on your property.
Those rights cease to exist, on your property, should you ask me to remove the firearm or myself.
Until such notification by the property owner, I am perfectly within my rights (and the state and federal laws) to carry my firearm on the property.

You may prohibit items or people of your choosing, your property. The person does not have to be granted permission to carry a firearm on your property, they are legally allowed to do so unless notified otherwise through words or signage (laws vary on proper signage and their weight of laws in different states).

 

[Uteridge]

Some states do require you to notify of carry in a private residence but yes until you are told that you cannot carry on private property you can carry there just like anywhere else. Just like carrying in a business; you can carry but you must leave is asked to do so by the owner.

 

[rellascout]

I could be wrong but doesn't this vary from state to state? My statement might have been too broad. So in this case we are both wrong in that we are applying a something which is subjective and applying it universally.

I do, until told otherwise. I will obey and all federal and state laws until notified on your property that you have a more refined set of laws that I must abide if I wish to stay. This is the EXACT way things are handled in businesses and residences...no different.

The 2A(federal) and my carry license(state supplied) sets the president until you tell me I cannot carry on your property.
Those rights cease to exist, on your property, should you ask me to remove the firearm or myself.
Until such notification by the property owner, I am perfectly within my rights (and the state and federal laws) to carry my firearm on the property.

You may prohibit items or people of your choosing, your property. The person does not have to be granted permission to carry a firearm on your property, they are legally allowed to do so unless notified otherwise through words or signage (laws vary on proper signage and their weight of laws in different states).

Some states require disclosure so it negates what you are saying here. You must disclose and then be granted permission to carry. No notification necessary. The armed person entering the property is the one who is legally bound to notify.

 

[youngda9]

I could be wrong but doesn't this vary from state to state? My statement might have been too broad. So in this case we are both wrong in that we are applying a something which is subjective and applying it universally.



Some states require disclosure so it negates what you are saying here. You must disclose and then be granted permission to carry. No notification necessary. The armed person entering the property is the one who is legally bound to notify.

I believe there are only a couple states(Arkansas is one) that require notification. If it is in the state law, then yes you are required to notify.

In general...there is no requirement to notify...all carry rights are intact unless told otherwise by the property owner.

 

[gym]

This is getting worse. No one with bad intent is going to tell you crap. Since when do you allow people you don't know to roam around your house. And finally if someone is going to rob or kill you, lying is not a factor, they aren't going to tell you, duh.
Taking out a gun in public is just stupid, I don't have stupid friends. And like I said since I really don't plan on visiting anyone as biased as some of the people who have made some of these comments and give them a list of everything I may have on me or in my car, this has reached critical mass. If you hate guns knives and are a poor judge of character, drink and play russian roulette with the kids, chances are we will never meet so end it already. No self respecting cable installer goes anyware without half a dozen tools that he could kill you with in less time than a gun. When and if something bad happens, and I sincerelly hope it never does, it isn't going to be "uncle bob" with his 40 year old revolver who does it to you. It's going to happen so fast that you will not have a second to think about what just happened.
It's probablly going to be more than one person, and they won't be in a dialog with you, or reading your sign.

 

[Old krow]

I don't have stupid friends.

That's a good start. But, It's not necessarily my friends that I worry about. It's not the cable guy or the HVAC repairman either, it's the guys posing as someone legitimate to gain entry into my home. Unfortunately the sign will have little or no effect on someone intent on committing the crime in the first place. If I were a criminal, I'd lie about it in the first place. I still fall into the "it's the homeowner's choice" however they arrive at it, but, if eliminating a potential threat were my reasoning for it, IMHO, it might not have the desired effect in neutralizing that threat. I really don't see any of this as ever being a safety issue in terms of getting into a shoot out in my own home, accidental discharge, or whatever in my own home (by someone else or with someone else).

It's more an issue of courtesy. There are things that a person may not enter my home with. I wouldn't invite someone over if I thought they would, but, if somehow I managed to find them in my home, I would ask if I thought it was an issue. I suspect if someone felt that strongly about guns they'd ask me. I'd tell them the truth and work it out from there. I generally do not ask everyone and I've already eliminated most of the probability my not hanging around with them. I'd bet that people who feel strongly about guns in their homes are the same way.

I don't lose much sleep over this at all. I have very little experience with stuff like this as it seems to rarely ever come up and isn't nearly as inflamed.

On the 2 question that Neverwinter asked; it is unlikely that I would allow someone with a Steyr M-series pistol that was locked and unloaded and the key not in their posession into my home armed. It makes me think that the person lacks confidence in their own abilities to handle a firearm and raises a red flag.

 

[Neverwinter]

On the 2 question that Neverwinter asked; it is unlikely that I would allow someone with a Steyr M-series pistol that was locked and unloaded and the key not in their posession into my home armed. It makes me think that the person lacks confidence in their own abilities to handle a firearm and raises a red flag.

You have an odd definition of armed. The loaded but locked gun is completely incapable of firing. I don't think any of us here in possession of such an object would consider ourselves armed, any more than we would be while holding a paperweight.

 

[speedway]

I don't mention it, as they are in no danger of the snubbie securely holstered in my pocket.

 

[Loosedhorse]

Daughter tried for a good 10 minutes to get him to calm down enough to hear what she was saying, without any sucess what so ever. He was yelling that I must be crazy to expose my Daughter, and Grand Daughter to a gun.

I think this is an important post (thanks, gamestalker).

We should recognize that some folks do react like this, and telling them to calm down or "be rational" is not going to solve anything. I have a curiosity as to what event in his past caused such a reaction, but no matter: no logical argument is going to convince him of anything different. Not today, anyway.

To reel this back on topic, someone just like this guy might invite you to his house someday--but you might not know he's like this. I believe in concealed carry if invited by someone I don't know well--because it's discreet and I pretty much always carry, not because I have great fear of someone I accept an invitation from. But if I know that the owner is dead-set against carried firearms, then I don't carry, or I don't go.

Actually, a lot of my reasons for liking guns--and having no problem with good people carrying them into my home--are emotional, as well.

 

[NMGonzo]

Anyone entering my home may be armed.

I know where to leave it concealed in the car if need to be.

 

[onebigelf]

I also don't tell them if I'm wearing boxers or briefs, that I have a pocket knife, or a cell phone, or credit cards...

John

 

[rodensouth]

There seems to be an odd emotional disconnect with the reality of the situation if one feels they can control what someone is bringing into their home unless a pat down is performed.

If I invite someone in, I'm either happy they are armed, or are watching them closely as they work.

I respect all opinions in this thread, as they have been enlightening for me. I'm also curious if those who feel different from me carry always as I do.

If one would have me leave a firearm in my car and not question my blade, they have a false sense of security about the situation IMHO.

 

[Old krow]

You have an odd definition of armed. The loaded but locked gun is completely incapable of firing.

Not really. I didn't specify the paperweight, I said "armed" in the broader sense. I'd be skeptical, but, maybe they had a reason.... who knows?

 

[Joe Demko]

So, I guess we can sum it all up as "anything is okay as as long as you don't get caught."

 

[Steel Talon]

For the most part those who I hang with at my house or at theirs is family and friends who also carry. Usually if we are spending the day or overnight I place my pistol high out of the way.

 

[buzzg]

I don't go to homes where I don't know the status concerning the concealed carrying of firearms. All my FRIENDS know I carry and there has never been an issue. I carry in their homes, they carry in mine. If there are children in the home they don't know I'm carrying and I don't leave a carry vest where they can have access and I don't make an issue of it. Never had a problem. If I'm in a home where I'm not a personal friend of the homeowner I don't carry and I don't make an issue of it. COMMON SENSE. Very few people know that I carry. I don't think they should know. Friends of like mind only. If I don't like the surroundings, the situation, etc., I don't go.

 

[gym]

If I have a worker in my home, I stay with him. I never leave anyone I don't know wandering through my home. I never bring up guns if I am invited to someones home, and like I said after 62 years no one has ever asked me if I had a gun on me. Someone could just as easily take a life in another way if that was their intent, so how does a gun help? In close quarters a knife is faster and quieter, or a choke hold. If you don't want people to visit you then go live in a cave, you may run into Bin Ladin. We just had this discussion with a few marine and special ops guys, they all have knives on them, and can take you out faster than you can ever prepare for, so if you plan on making a movie in your head, plan for everything not the lawful gun owner.He's there just in case a bad person with some skills shows up, at least you have a fighting chance, either that or start xraying people in the driveway, because most people don't tell the truth. They may say no I never carry unless I am going out, how the heck do you know.

 

[Neverwinter]

So, I guess we can sum it all up as "anything is okay as as long as you don't get caught."

More like something is assumed to be okay unless otherwise specified. If a person wasn't provided sufficient information to know if they should disclose, it isn't their fault for not doing so. People aren't telepathic.

Sent from a van down by the river

 

[OldmanFCSA]

The people who carry LEGALLY, open or otherwise, are the least of your concerns as they have been checked out to be given their permit-to-carry.
Those who hide their guns because they don't have a permit are the ones to worry about!
This applies to gun shows too.

 

[rellascout]

The people who carry LEGALLY, open or otherwise, are the least of your concerns as they have been checked out to be given their permit-to-carry.

Not true in all states. It is perfectly legal to carry open in VA without a permit. IIRC

 

[gym]

Yes but don't you know who you have in your house. I don't get this whole debate. Do you invite "americas most wanted" to sunday dinner. Permit, no permit, if someone is there to do you harm, do you think a permit is going to be relavent. Or do you think they are going to tell you. This whole thing is rediculous. Most people lie about things, they may be white lies but they lie. Unless you plan on xraying or strip searching everyone who enters your house the entire post is just nonsense.
What do you do if the guy says no, and he has a gun anyway? you won't know will you. So bombs knives assorted tasers zip guns and the like are ok. Just don't bring a pistol in. Big DUH

 

[cstone]

First let me apologize to the OP as I would not want to speak for him, however, in reading his post, it seems that this question wasn't posed as a legal issue but one of courtesy. I believe it is a valid concern for some people who do not wish to offend others. From the perspective of the concealed weapon carrier who wishes to be respectful and courteous toward friends who may be offended by the presence of a concealed weapon, there may be a good reason to ask or notify before entering their home.

It seems that based on this perspective the question was not about the rights of the person carrying the weapon but the desire of some who carry weapons to be courteous toward homeowners. What the homeowner is entitled to know and the weapon carriers obligation to be truthful from this perspective is not relevant.

After numerous posts and some interesting discussion, here is my answer: I do not discuss weapons with people who I believe would be uncomfortable with the topic. If I don't know my friends opinion about my possession, I do not bring it up. If the subject of weapons comes up in a conversation, I try to be respectful and honest, but I still don't see a need to divulge that I am carrying a weapon. If I was asked a direct question regarding me carrying a concealed weapon by a friend, I would simply answer "yes." If they asked me to leave, I would. If someone who is not a friend asked me if I was carrying a concealed weapon, I would politely tell them that it was none of their business. If they asked me to leave their home, I would.

I can say, after more than twenty years of carrying a weapon, the subject has never come up. Either no one I come into contact with cares enough to ask, or they already know the answer, or (this is what I like to believe) I am so good at concealing my weapon, the idea that there is an armed man in their house never crosses their mind.

 

[gym]

What the homeowner is entitled to know and the weapon carriers obligation to be truthful from this perspective is not relevant.^^

Then ther is no reason to continue the disussion. Making that statemen more or less makes the question not relevant.
The whole concept involved the homeowners "right to know", that is the meat of the discussion. Once you remove that you really don't have a topic for discussion , since he is the homeowner.

 

[JesseL]

This is the philosophy I apply to this particular question:

Wear a gun to someone else's house, you're saying, 'I'll defend this home as if it were my own.' When your guests see you carry a weapon, you're telling them, 'I'll defend you as if you were my own family.' And anyone who objects levels the deadliest insult possible: 'I don't trust you unless you're rendered harmless'!