CCW instructor tells wife that her 642 is a bad choice !

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For myself I've gone with single stack just the same.

My objection to a J-frame is not the reload - I mostly carry Speed Strips (trademark) but the fact that too much is cover not just concealment. When I was young and foolish about where I went and what I did I carried a Model 58 because I'd seen trick .357 bullets blow up on window glass and spew their core as lead dust. Today I mostly do carry trick .357 bullets (9X23) just the same but I worry.
 
I am less concerned about the capacity of J-frames than I am their general shootability. They are OK for back-ups/second guns, but leave a lot to be desired for a primary weapons. (BTW, that was pretty much the consensus when LEOs carried revolvers). Again, when revolvers were the weapon in LE, the guys with the Detective Specials/Agents/Cobras (all of which are every bit as "carryable" as a J-frame) and the two inch K-frames regularly cleaned the plows of those who were shooting J-frames in various police competitons of that era. There is that much of a difference in shootability.
 
True enough but ...

I am less concerned about the capacity of J-frames than I am their general shootability. They are OK for back-ups/second guns, but leave a lot to be desired for a primary weapons.

True enough but there is no Utopia. I tried to persuade my wife that a Detective Special made a better purse gun but I never persuaded myself the Colt made a better pocket pistol. Then too I'm talking only Chief's Special here the J-frame Small Hunter from the Custom Shop with a longer vented barrel and adjustable sights is quite as shootable as any small Colt - and I had to replace some lockwork parts on the Colt as well. No question that for BUG competition the Colt is the gamer's choice.

I've known women who really liked J-frames including Chief's Specials and Banker's Specials - a model 31/2 say is quite shootable.
 
"I felt sorry for myself because I had no shoes, 'til I met a man..."

I feel like I've seen this on TV somewhere:

"She prefers to use a revolver-NOT THAT THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT!!!" :neener:

I wish I could weigh in on this, but I live in a California metropolis, and, not having made a large campaign donation to my local sheriff, I cannot legally carry. I'd rather have a .25 Raven than what I have now, which is a comfortable pair of athletic shoes and a loud scream. :mad:
 
Wife doesn't have anything to worry about.

A 642 will do the job just fine if it is in capable hands. The most expensive 1911 left in the car because it doesn't fit her doesn't do her any good.
 
Hmmm,can't remember which prolific gun-writer it was that said,"any gun will do as long as you do",but it makes sense.tom.
 
1. Revolvers have the same number of components as automatics
True. Parts counts are the lowest form of reliability prediction.

2. An automatic can still function after the failure of it's components, a revolver is useless from any single broken component.
Huh??

I'm pretty sure an automatic will have at least as many single-point-failure components, not including each round in the magazine. From a failure modes and affects standpoint, they have a lot in common--trigger, hammer, springs, firing pins, frame, barrel, etc. Not surprisingly, the revolver has 6 redundant chambers which equates to 6 redundant cartridges. The automatic has one of each. The reliability prediction on a revolver is going to be much sunnier than the one for the auto.

The few revolver failures I've had have been ammunition--all of which would be self correcting with the pull of the trigger. I've had several hundred failures (functional) of automatics that generally require a lot of pressing, pulling, etc to get back up and running.

Ty
 
Mmmph. Pretty sure the bottom-feeder vs round gun controversy has been fought before, on other threads. :uhoh:

As far as reliability, my experience is that a bottom feeder is far more likely to malf in the first place. Failure to feed, failure to extract, double-feeds are all nearly unique to semi-autos. Clearing these malfs is not difficult; the slowest of them can be cleared in less than five seconds by someone who knows how to run the gun.

As 30Cal pointed out, the rare failure to fire with a wheelgun is usually ammunition-related, and the solution is absurdly simple: pull the trigger again. This takes no time at all, contrasted with a tap-rack which takes probably half a second.

However. If a wheelgun does have a jam, about the simplest non-ammution-related jam it can have often requires a tool and some concentration to clear. And it takes time.

The analog to a semi-auto's failure to extract for a wheelgun is a case getting caught under the star. Anyone want to time equally-skilled people clearing these analogous malfs? My money's on the semi-auto being ready to go first.

Similarly, failure to feed in a semi-auto is analogous to forcing-cone issues in a wheelgun. For the semi-auto, you tap-rack and fire. Half a second. For the wheelgun, you take the gun to a smith.

Bottom line: wheelguns rarely jam, but when they do jam it can take an inordinate amount of time to clear them. Semi-autos are far more likely to jam than revolvers, but are usually quicker to clear.

(Heh, I'm mightily restraining myself from pointing out that the most common "failure to fire" of all is running out of ammunition ... I won't say it, I won't I won't I won't... :D)

Oh, one more thought. It doesn't really matter what you choose, as long as you're skilled with it. Please don't think I'm saying revolvers are bad, or that semi autos are bad. I'm saying nothing is perfect, that's all.

pax
 
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