Flying V
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I don't know about Santorum, but Specter voted no.
I'm from Ohio, and both my worthless RINOs voted yes.
And now, the House.
I'm from Ohio, and both my worthless RINOs voted yes.
And now, the House.
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NightWolfe
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not that they care .. but I just e-mail my sellout Senators letting them know that they lost my vote due to them voting for the Feinstein Amendment (not that they would have got my vote anyway) ..
I urge everyone else whos senators sold them out to do the same ..
I urge everyone else whos senators sold them out to do the same ..
There still are options.
First, since the House did not vote for this bill in this form (with the AWB), it will have to go to the conference committee. The AWB provision could get stripped there.
I don't know if that is likely.
If the amendments keep getting tacked on, the bill can be killed, and the gun maker protection can be brought back up next year, when it's not an election year.
Right now, I don't know what the thinking is.
First, since the House did not vote for this bill in this form (with the AWB), it will have to go to the conference committee. The AWB provision could get stripped there.
I don't know if that is likely.
If the amendments keep getting tacked on, the bill can be killed, and the gun maker protection can be brought back up next year, when it's not an election year.
Right now, I don't know what the thinking is.
Molon Labe
Member
Those bastards!
What’s the URL for finding out how my (usually worthless) senators voted?
What’s the URL for finding out how my (usually worthless) senators voted?
bfieldburt
Member
Yes, I'd say it is time to KILL THIS BILL. The way the Senate just voted, it is unlikely they would approve the clean bill that comes back at them from the House..and there is a small chance that the House might let us down. KILL THIS BILL.
Hazwaste
Member
Get angry. Don't forget who betrayed us. But also, don't quit calling and writing our elected representatives. There is still conference committee for this thing to get through...if the bill even passes with all of these crummy amendments.
corncob
Member
Where can I go to find out how my senators voted?
Cool Hand Luke 22:36
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Sure about that? I recall Speaker Hastert strongly countering DeLay's assertion that an AWB renewal wouldn't see the light of day.
It looks to me like the AWB is about 75% of the way along towards reauthorization.
I sure hope I am wrong, but doesn't Hastert pick the conference committee. Pretty slick way of doing an end-run around Tom Delay.
Flying V
Member
If you're in Ohio, your worthess senators (and mine) voted yes.
Librarian
Member
If I got it correctly, Santorum voted NO
bfieldburt
Member
KILL BILL...it's not just a crappy movie anymore....it is our new course of action.
TheOtherOne
Member
Exactly. I don't know much about committee, what is there 2 people in their and a secret service agent that hash out details?? What I do know though is that if S.1805 passes then the AWB renewal CAN pass. If it S.1805 dies right now, then the AWB renewal CANT pass. Right?
Moparmike
Member
The WHOLE House has to vote on this newly tainted peice of legislation, correct?
Hutch
Member
Do we have a list of the conferees that will reconcile the bill(s)?
fix
Member
I just spoke with Saxby Chambliss' office. They told me that Saxby plans to make every effort to kill the bill in the Senate. Calling Zell now.
Librarian
Member
From Thomas.loc.gov
CONFERENCE COMMITTEES AND REPORTS
When the Senate requests a conference or agrees to the House's request for a conference and names its conferees, it informs the House of its action by message. After the second House agrees to the conference, appoints conferees, and apprises the first House of its action by message, all the papers relating to the measure sent to conference (referred to as the "official papers") are transmitted to the conference. This includes the original engrossed bill, engrossed amendments, and the various messages of transmittal between the Houses.
Since the conferees of each House vote as a unit, the House, like the Senate, may appoint as many conferees as it chooses to meet with the Senate conferees to reconcile the differences between the two Houses--the sole purpose of a conference. Thus, having a larger number of conferees than the other House does not provide an advantage.
After deliberation, the conferees may make one or more recommendations; for example, (1) that the House recede from all or certain of its amendments; (2) that the Senate recede from its disagreement to all or certain of the House amendments and agree to the same; or (3) that the conference committee report an inability to agree in all or in part. Usually, however, there is compromise.
Conferees dealing with an amendment or a series of amendments are more limited in their options than conferees dealing with a bill passed by the second House with an amendment in the nature of a substitute. They can only deal with the matters in disagreement. They cannot insert new matter or leave out matter agreed to by both Houses, and if they exceed their authority, a point of order will lie against the conference report. Each House may instruct its conferees, but this is rarely done. Such instructions are not binding since conferences are presumed to be full and free--one House cannot restrict the other House's conferees.
Where one House passes a bill of the other House with an amendment in the nature of a substitute and the measure then goes to conference, the conferees have wider latitude since the entire matter is in conference. They may report a third version on the same subject matter; all of its provisions, however, must be germane modifications of either the House or Senate version, or it will be subject to a point of order.
CONFERENCE COMMITTEES AND REPORTS
When the Senate requests a conference or agrees to the House's request for a conference and names its conferees, it informs the House of its action by message. After the second House agrees to the conference, appoints conferees, and apprises the first House of its action by message, all the papers relating to the measure sent to conference (referred to as the "official papers") are transmitted to the conference. This includes the original engrossed bill, engrossed amendments, and the various messages of transmittal between the Houses.
Since the conferees of each House vote as a unit, the House, like the Senate, may appoint as many conferees as it chooses to meet with the Senate conferees to reconcile the differences between the two Houses--the sole purpose of a conference. Thus, having a larger number of conferees than the other House does not provide an advantage.
After deliberation, the conferees may make one or more recommendations; for example, (1) that the House recede from all or certain of its amendments; (2) that the Senate recede from its disagreement to all or certain of the House amendments and agree to the same; or (3) that the conference committee report an inability to agree in all or in part. Usually, however, there is compromise.
Conferees dealing with an amendment or a series of amendments are more limited in their options than conferees dealing with a bill passed by the second House with an amendment in the nature of a substitute. They can only deal with the matters in disagreement. They cannot insert new matter or leave out matter agreed to by both Houses, and if they exceed their authority, a point of order will lie against the conference report. Each House may instruct its conferees, but this is rarely done. Such instructions are not binding since conferences are presumed to be full and free--one House cannot restrict the other House's conferees.
Where one House passes a bill of the other House with an amendment in the nature of a substitute and the measure then goes to conference, the conferees have wider latitude since the entire matter is in conference. They may report a third version on the same subject matter; all of its provisions, however, must be germane modifications of either the House or Senate version, or it will be subject to a point of order.
For those asking, one place to check the results of roll call votes is:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/vote_menu_108_2.htm
It usually takes a bit of time for updated info to show up. Perhaps somebody else knows a quicker source for this information?
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/vote_menu_108_2.htm
It usually takes a bit of time for updated info to show up. Perhaps somebody else knows a quicker source for this information?
Moparmike
Member
Sounds like the NO's are winning, but its early yet.
Bravo11
Member
Mopar,
Are we waiting for Lincoln and Pryor to chime in on this one or have they already done so?
Are we waiting for Lincoln and Pryor to chime in on this one or have they already done so?
kingfisher
Member
Tom Gresham
"There still are options."
Glad to have someone around that knows how this works. thanx for the explaination
"There still are options."
Glad to have someone around that knows how this works. thanx for the explaination
bfieldburt
Member
Yes, the entire House has to vote in this.
If it is KILLED, yes, it would make it harder to then get the AWB to pass.
But, it could--and will--still be brought up as a seperate bill that then could still pass again, here in the Senate.
The House would then also need to pass an AWB renewal bill
...then the President would have to sign the joint bill (which he said he would).
If it is KILLED, yes, it would make it harder to then get the AWB to pass.
But, it could--and will--still be brought up as a seperate bill that then could still pass again, here in the Senate.
The House would then also need to pass an AWB renewal bill
...then the President would have to sign the joint bill (which he said he would).
TheOtherOne
Member
Gunshow Amendment PASSES
Jack T.
Member
Well, things are falling apart in the Senate. . .
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