Get into 10 mm?

[1911 Operator]

If I wanted a .357 magnum diameter and power, I'd go .38 super +P.
Only the people who own the 10mm will understand the magic.

I still think you can find 10mm ammo easier then .41 Magnum.

there's no doubt that a glock 20 with 16 rounds of full power 10mm is an awesome weapon. but it really doesn't fit any niche well.

it's too powerful for personal defense for most people's taste (most folks don't want that much penetration and blast/noise), and it isn't nearly as powerful as a 44 magnum for hiking in dangerous game territory. (you can also certainly get hotass 357 magnum ammo that will smoke the 10mm as well-buffalo bore for one)

the 10mm is rather like a solution in search of a problem.

 

[kanook]

the 10mm is rather like a solution in search of a problem

If the 10mm is close to a .357, you can have a semi auto .357 in a 1911 platform instead of the Desert Eagle.

I kinda like the 10mm and am getting into it slowly. I have a Springfield Omega in 10mm with a ported barrel so it's hard for me to preach about recoil. I shoot the Georgia Arms 180grain Gold Dot Deer stopper. This year it's hopefully gonna get a chance to bark.

 

[JimmAr]

10mm loaded hot can get close to 41 magnum performance..

 

[JTQ]

IdahoLT1 wrote,
No it cant. A .44mag can push a 340gr bullet at the same speed a .460 Rowland can push a 230gr. bullet.

For the sake of clarity, 340 gr bullet is a typo, right? My guess is you meant to say 240 grain bullet.

 

[snorky18]

For the sake of clarity, 340 gr bullet is a typo, right? My guess is you meant to say 240 grain bullet.

I thought 340 sounded really big, but I don't know much about big bore revolvers, so I assumed that the huge/heavy bullets are why the 44 mag is such a worshipped legend

 

[kanook]

10mm loaded hot can get close to 41 magnum performance..

OK so you can have a 41mag in a 1911 platform instead of the Desert Eagle. Either way there is a demand for it otherwise the fad would've died when they canceled Miami Vice

 

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

You asked, is there any downside other than ammo cost?

The answer is no, not really - none other than

ammo cost
ammo availability
complicating your life with another caliber.

Beyond that it's all upside - controllable performance, higher capacity than .45 acp. But get anything but a Block - Delta Elite, Tanfoglio Witness, SW 610, etc.

 

[esq_stu]

I see no point in a trail gun in an uncommon caliber. If you can't get ammo for it at Walmart, it will one day be no better than a brick. Since you offered .44/.357 as a choice, that's what I chose. There are so many choices in those calibers, you should be able to find something you like.

 

[waterhouse]

it isn't nearly as powerful as a 44 magnum for hiking in dangerous game territory. (you can also certainly get hotass 357 magnum ammo that will smoke the 10mm as well-buffalo bore for one)

the 10mm is rather like a solution in search of a problem.

I can't name too many semis that shoot .357 magnum. The one that immediately comes to mind is a huge beast. I prefer shooting 1911s, so the 10mm is a solution to having .357 performance in a gun I like to shoot. Problem solved

As for your claim that .357 ammo "will smoke" the 10mm, numbers from Buffalo Bore don't seem to back that up:

Buffalo Bore Heavy 10mm Ammo - 180 gr. Jacketed Hollow Point - J.H.P. (1,350fps/M.E. 782 ft. lbs.)

Buffalo Bore Heavy 357 Magnum Ammo - 180 gr. L.F.N. -G.C. (1,400fps/M.E. 783 ft. lbs.)

50 fps and 1 ft/lb doesn't seem like the 10mm gets smoked.

For lighter weights, we have to use Double Tap's data since Buffalo bore doesn't list a 10mm in the 155 gr. range:

Double Tap 10mm 155gr. @ 1475fps / 750ft/lbs
Buffalo Bore Heavy 357 Magnum Ammo - 158 gr. J.H.C. (1,475fps/M.E. 763 ft. lbs.)

Again, 3 extra grains, same fps, 13 more ft/lbs, and the published 10mm numbers are fired from a 4.6" semi barrel instead of the 5" revolver barrel that the .357 numbers are based on.

I'd say that the 10mm does a pretty good job of mimicking the .357.

 

[kolob10]

10mm

I used to own a Glock model 20 (10mm). It shot great but just didn't feel right in my hand. I shot it next to my Kimber 10mm and recoil seemed about the sam for each weapon. I shot several brands of factory ammo side by side and the Glock had a slight edge in accuracy. I own other 1911's and Glocks but on this platform I kept the Kimber. Looking forward to taking it deer hunting this year. Ammo is not a problem as I reload. Need to be careful as the Kimber launches brass in orbit. Heck buy one of each - I own 10mm, 44 special and mag. I like shooting them all including my 454 casull. Good shooting!

 

[357SIG]

I have a Glock 20 and a S&W 1006. For the woods, I always take the Glock, as it is ideal for this, IMO. Whether you get the Witness, Glock, 1911, etc. is personal preference. The bullet doesn't care which barrel it comes from.

I shoot semi-auto pistols better than I could ever shoot a wheelgun in a hurry. That should really be your primary concern...which are you more comfortable shooting accurately and fast?

 

[rkamp]

I see no point in a trail gun in an uncommon caliber. If you can't get ammo for it at Walmart, it will one day be no better than a brick.

Last time I looked at WM there was nothing on the shelf but some 38 special target loads.

Punch 10mm into the Gun Broker search and you will get 10 pages or so of results. Just 5 years ago maybe just 3-4 pages. There are more guns available now and ammo selection is increasing.

My custom Delta Elite is my woods walking pistol and is always close at hand for home defense. 155/180gr Gold Dots from Georgia Arms for defense and 200 gr XTP's from Double Tap for hunting. Super accurate, don't own a 45ACP anymore.

 

[KBintheSLC]

yeah the 10mm does not even approach the 44 magnum in power, or energy delivered.

They compared it to .41 mag... not .44 mag.

the 10mm is rather like a solution in search of a problem.

Opinions are like...

 

[BlindJustice]

10MM Semi-Auto

Dan Wesson
Colt Delta Elite
Wilson Combat
I'm not aware of a S&W Semi-Auto in 10MM

Revolvers - 6 shot for .44 Mag
and 8 shot for the S&W 627 in .357 Mag.

How About the S&W 610 10mm AUto -or- .40 S&W
with FUll Moon Clips.

The Semi-AUtos offer more capacity 9?+1

I'd put the heavier loads in 10mm Auto a slight
notch ahead of .357 Mag. IFF the .357 Mag is a
5" or longer Barrel length. And if you're talking the
Large frame SMiths they are marginally heavier for
carry than a 1911 platform.

Randall

 

[OurSafeHome.net]

10mm?

1985 called and they want there wildcat pistol round back...

(If only D&D had been able to produce enough magazines...)

 

[Gryffydd]

:banghead::banghead:
The 10mm does not come close to the .41 Mag.
For all intents and purposes, it ties the .357 Mag.

Where on earth did this idea that the 10mm is at all comparable to the .41 Mag come from!?

I'd go with a 1911 chambered for 460 Rowland in a trail gun. I reload, so the relative scarcity of store bought ammo is not a problem. It can exceed 44 Magnum performance in the 1911 platform.

This is even more ridiculous.
Do people not look at the numbers before making claims like this?

 

[JWJacobVT]

My carry gun (city/woods) is a S&W 1066. My duty gun is a S&W 1006. My hunting gun is a S&W 610 6.5 inch barrel. Reloads for practice and hunting. Factory 180 gr JHP @1350 FPS for carry and duty. Oh my daughter uses a 10mm TC carbinefor deer hunting.

 

[kanook]

.357 158 grain 7.7 unique 1040

10mm 180 grain 8.0 unique 1138

.41 180 grain 9.0 1181

I don't have any data for 357 180, but it appears that the 10mm is close to the 41 but not far from the 357 either. This data is from a Speer manual, so if you want an inbetween caliber the 10mm is it. (or not)

 

[WVMountainBoy]

On the trail I don't worry about concealment so I carry my Super Blackhawk with 7.5 tube. I did however vote for the 10mm cause if you're wanting a semi auto with BFG standing, its the best answer.

 

[Gryffydd]

Kanook, Unique is not a very good powder for exploring the capabilities of magnum revolver cartridges.
Using the right powders, the .41 Mag can push a 250gr bullet faster than the 10mm can a 180gr.
Look at Hodgdon's data.
http://data.hodgdon.com/cartridge_load.asp

Or for that matter, look at Buffalo Bore's loads.
.41 Mag: 265gr @ 1310fps --From a 4" Revolver
10mm: 200gr @ 1200fps--From a 4.5" Glock.
That's an energy difference of close to 40%.

 

[harrygunner]

The 340gr .44 Mag is not a typo.

I have Buffalo Bore 340gr LBT-LFN GC ammo that leaves my 5.5" Ruger Redhawk at 1401 ft/sec for 1481 ft-lb. of energy.

I very much like the 10mm and have a couple of firearms for that caliber. It's a good solution for any problem a .357Mag can solve.

But any statements about 10mm performance being much above a .357 Mag are Internet exaggerations.

 

[IdahoLT1]

Saying the .460 Rowland can exced the peformance of a .44mag is like saying a 9mm can exceed the performance of a .357 mag. There is literally that much of a gap.


.44mag 340gr. @1478fps(1650ft lbs) from a 5.5" barrel(source: buffalo bore)

.460 Rowland 230gr. @1340fps(917ft lbs) from a 5" barrel +1" compensator(source: realguns.com)

Based on those numbers, the .44mag creates ~180% more energy than the .460 rowland.

357 mag 125gr. @1603fps(713ft lbs) out of a 4" barrel

9mm +P 124gr @1225fps(413ftlbs) out of a 5" barrel

the 357 mag creates 172% more power than the 9mm



the 10mm is no .41 mag like some would have you believe. The .41mag can push a 170gr. bullet @1550fps(907ft lbs) where the 10mm can push a 180gr. bullet @ 1350fps(782ft lbs). The .41mag and .460 rowland are pretty close.

The 10mm is equivalent to the 357mag. I would give a slight advantage in the velocity department to the .357 mag but IMO, the 10mm expansion and wound cavity will have the advantage.

 

[KBintheSLC]

Where on earth did this idea that the 10mm is at all comparable to the .41 Mag come from!?

It came from the factory loaded Winchester 175g Silvertip. The 10mm and the .41 magnum have basically identical ballistics.

The difference is in reloading... the .41 can be pushed significantly further.

 

[Gryffydd]

The difference is in reloading... the .41 can be pushed significantly further.

And in factory ammo available from Corbon, Buffalo Bore, Double Tap, and many others.

 

[KBintheSLC]

And in factory ammo available from Corbon, Buffalo Bore, Double Tap, and many others.

All three of those companies are "max loaders". All three push their loadings to the upper end of the limitations of the cartridge. So the point remains...