.40 "Short & Weak" or "Short & Wimpy"...does this nickname make any sense anymore??!!

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Between a 40sw and a 10mm I'd say if you are capable of reloading, a 10mm would be the way to go. Because of its ability to load heavier bullets and your ability to measure your powder loads down or up with bullets ranging from 155grn to 200grn. Those Hornaday XTP bullets are quite well suited for hunting and self-defence. And lets face it. A 200grn bullet at 1000fps is going to beat out any energy a 40sw can deliver. Jim
 
With longshot powder, I can push a 155 grain XTP at 1330 fps, pretty close to 10mm velocities, the gap is narrowing with powder technology.
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powder tech works both ways I run 180 XTPs that fast with longshot.
 
The irony in all this is, most standard comm'l loadings of the 10mm are at the 40 short and weak power levels.
 
I wrote a long an logical email. Decided I didn't want to get that invested.

Two comments:

Powder development improves the 10 along with the 40. Nothing is going to close the gap. The gap is physical case capacity, which is 38% more with a 10mm (.69cc vs .95cc).

And, a 200 gr bullet leaving a 5" muzzle at 1000 fps is pretty anemic for 10mm. 1200 fps (1275 fps advertised by Double Tap) is a full power load.
 
It scares me that some people base their cartridge selections on blasting water jugs. Great for looking cool, terrible for testing terminal ballistics.
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:cuss: Oh yeah?? OH YEAH??? Well, Mr tough guy, maybe you've just never been attacked by a water jug :cuss:


:D
 
Well listen here, my lad: if you're walking home one night and some homicidal maniac comes at you with a bunch of [STRIKE]loganberries[/STRIKE] waterjugs, don't come crying to me!

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Thanks guys. I write to humor myself mostly, but I do appreciate if you found it funny as well.
I do carry a 10mm, so I am a bit biased. Both calibers will do the job just fine, but the 10mm makes .40S&W carriers feel girly. All men are competitive by nature, so embrace your "stomp them in the dirt" side and use a 10mm.
Hey, I love this forum and the users of it. You all rock, even when you cannot agree.
 
Size doesn't matter, its how you use it.:neener:

I like the .40SW over the .45 due to Power to size ratio, but I have an itch for the .45. Sometime I wish I would of gotten it than the .40 at times... Maybe its the USP45T fever....
 
the 10mm makes .40S&W carriers feel girly.
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The old .38 Special is arguably a "Weak Sister" in today's arena. It's also pleasant to shoot...easy on the guns...and wicked accurate. Watch a man who is well-versed in things revolver as he slams 6 rounds of standard .38 Special into a single, ragged hole at 25 feet almost as fast as he can work the trigger...and ask yourself if you think he's a girlyman because he's "Only got a .38 wheelgun."

It's not the gun. It's the shooter. It's not the muzzle velocity or the raw power. It's placement.
 
Skill rules. My post was in jest. Was that not apparent?
Now, he would still be a girly man for using the .38, but a fast, accurate girly man. :)
 
They're all short and weak ;)

As Farnam says: What should we expect our assailant to do after we shoot him? Exactly what he was doing right before we shot him.
 
If memory serves me right, and sometimes it does, the .40 was the first cartridge designed from the start to provide optimum wound ballistics from a handgun, per the FBI testing criteria. I haven't heard or read about anybody having stopping power issues with a .40, therefore the "short and weak/short and wimpy" comments are unjustified.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr
 
What is it with 10mm fans? I like both 10mm and .40 and I feel both have a place. Is that bad?

One thing I like about .40 is it can fit in to smaller more comfortable to carry platforms better than the 10mm even though the Glock 29 does exist.

Do you 10mm fans feel 10mm is a good general issue PD issue cartridge say for a urban PD? I'd maybe pack a Glock 20 but I'm 6ft tall and over 200lbs. I doubt that gun will become standard issue say for LAPD or NYPD anytime soon.

Might be ideal for individual purchase where allowed and in more rural areas though.
 
I'm a great fan of both cartridges, I do not see the reason why 10 mm lovers should belittle the 40 S&W no reason at all for acrinomy :D:D:D

They both have a place, the 40 is more compact (fits in regular 9 mm frames) and more appropriate for urban situations where the 10 mm is too powerful (anybody heard the notion of innocent bystanders??)

For "light" wildlife protection (big cats, small blackies) and hunting the 10 mm with appropriate loads is GREAT

Anything bigger and I reach for my .44 revolver!! :D:D:D
 
" the 40 is more compact (fits in regular 9 mm frames) "
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Therein lies the proplem of the "sploedey" guns: Stuffing a larger, high pressure cartridge with heavier bullets into a platform originally designed for a smaller cartridge with lighter bullets (less recoil) and you lose some of the safety margin designed into the original platform. Add in other factors, such as a little bullet set-back from repeated chamberings or guys pushing heavy recoiling hot-rod loads (you guys be careful with that longshot,:what: please), and thing can go pear shaped in a right hurry.....

....... you ever wonder why Glock says "No Reloads."?
 
what about the 9x25 dillon basically the same thing as a 357 sig except made from 10mm
 
10mm has also been shoved in to frames that were not made originally for it and can be a bit much for them. The Delta elite comes to mind. Both .40 and 10mm handguns that are properly set up in good handguns that were designed or modified correctly for the caliber can be excellent.

I doubt the CZ75 platform is entirely ideal for 10mm either. Flame away:)

Example of guns designed well for the caliber is the BHP in .40S&W, has a much heavier slide and a lot of research before release, remember, it came out well after 1990 when everyone was rushing out 9mm framed handguns chambered in .40S&W. I think the HK USP in .40 was designed as one from the beginning as well.

IIRC the Glock 20 was designed from the ground up as a 10mm.
 
Therein lies the proplem of the "sploedey" guns: Stuffing a larger, high pressure cartridge with heavier bullets into a platform originally designed for a smaller cartridge with lighter bullets (less recoil) and you lose some of the safety margin designed into the original platform. Add in other factors, such as a little bullet set-back from repeated chamberings or guys pushing heavy recoiling hot-rod loads (you guys be careful with that longshot, please), and thing can go pear shaped in a right hurry.....

....... you ever wonder why Glock says "No Reloads."?
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As far as I know Glock where the guns with problems in .40 because of unsupported chambers.....few problems here and there (cracked slides) with Beretta 96, that's all

I never heard of any other .40 going kabooms, CZ, SIG, S&W or else...unless were reload mistake related...

Yes the .40 is a modern high pressure ammo, you need to be more careful when you re-load...I don't so I'm not concerned too much about it

Even the 10 mm had their fair share of problems, the Delta Elites after a while were cracking slides...
 
All handguns are short and weak, huh?


I don't think so!

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maybe weve all been a little hard on the 40s&w
its a great back up gun to the 10mm
you know alot of people who carry 9mm's have a 380 back up
 
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