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Have not read any KB with the USP or USPC?

Dean Speir has pictures of 1911's AND a Heckler and Koch USP45 that ka-boomed at the Gun zone.

Any gun will fail. Worrying about your 9mm Glock going ka-blooey, though, is a waste of time better spent shooting more 9mm through your 17/19/34/26...
 
"You offer no particulars--like what ammo was he shooting? 99% of all Glock KBs I have tracked down, point to an ammo problem."

- It was quality US-made factory ammo, but I don't remember which. Yes I do realize that this incident never actually happened since I cannot remember all the details after twelve years. That's what the fanboys tell me anyway. :rolleyes:

"Your Glock will cycle under water!"

- Let's be serious here, we all know that almost ANY autoloader will function under water. Check Youtube. We also know that it causes major damage to ANY autoloader, including Glocks. Many will only fire one or two rounds before the chamber flares far enough to jamb the slide. I've seen the video where the guy rapid-fires 33 rounds with his Glock submerged in a garbage can of water. This is one of the stupidest, most dangerous things I've ever seen on the net. If that thing KB'd he could have lost his hand. Liquids are NOT compressible! Continually drilling things like "Your Glock will cycle underwater!" into the heads of people that don't know any better than to try it is irresponsible at the least. NEVER ATTEMPT TO SHOOT ANY FIREARM UNDERWATER!


"An integral part of a Glock's legendary reliability and performance is the firing chamber/barrel component."


- Legendary reliability? More than 11% of the Glock owners surveyed on the current Glock KB poll right here on THR report a KB. 11%! Yes Glocks are reliable, you can count on them to KB! :neener: I'm not saying that other guns do not blow up. I'm a mechanical engineer and I know that everything will fail eventually. EVERYTHING. I'm saying that Glocks are known for it. It's their #1 claim to fame in the firearms world. I've actually heard people on the range say, "Don't stand behind that guy, he's shooting a Glock .40!" :eek:

"But you still don't know anything, other than a final result."

-That's not true, I know of MANY final results. :p There are documented cases all over the boards of Glock KBs. Of course none of these shooters can prove that they never fired a reloaded cartridge or soft lead bullet and therefore no KB could have possibly been due to Glock's poor chamber design.


I think it's really funny that some Glock fanboys are trying to get the KB poll shut down because they don't like the results! :banghead:

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Kabooms are very rare, seem to only happen in the ..40 S&W model, and the unsupported chamber story is a LOAD OF CRAP spouted by internet commandos who know nothing about Glocks and have probably never fired one.

Why doesn't one of you folks take a barrel out of your glock .40 or .45, and insert a round in it, then photograph the feed ramp chamber end, Do the same thing with your 1911, and maybe a smith semi auto????? Side by side is best, then we can all see how much of the case head is unsupported by the feedramp cut.

Post it here.

The picture will show that the Glock has the same or more case head support than the smith or the 1911. I have seen this done years back by Tamara on TFL.
Both my glocks are 9mms or I would post the picture myself.

Glocks dont fire out of battery either, anymore than any other semi auto. If the slide is back even a tiny bit the trigger bar slips off the striker.
Another crock is the story of Glocks having a radically different grip angle than other guns, also malarkey. Place a glock over a 1911 and you will find it has the same grip angle, want to see a different grip angle try placing your Ruger (not the govmt model) MKII or MKIII over a 1911.
 
- Legendary reliability? More than 11% of the Glock owners surveyed on the current Glock KB poll right here on THR report a KB. 11%!
To be factual, the current % of forum members who say that they have experiencd a KB is 9.18%, not "more than 11%" as you stated.

Yes Glocks are reliable, you can count on them to KB! I'm not saying that other guns do not blow up. I'm a mechanical engineer and I know that everything will fail eventually. EVERYTHING. I'm saying that Glocks are known for it. It's their #1 claim to fame in the firearms world. I've actually heard people on the range say, "Don't stand behind that guy, he's shooting a Glock .40!"
If you really heard that said on a range the speaker was either joking or he was a complete idiot.

Can a Glock KB?
Yes, we all agree that it can happen, just as other handguns can KB.

But when you consider how many Glocks are fired every day on civilian, police, and military ranges around the world, if there really was a problem it would be much more documented than a few stories on the internet.

The FBI alone puts thousands of .40 rounds downrange with every new class of recruits but I've yet to hear of the FBI routinely experiencing KBs.


It is true that the Glock .40 barrels have less support than barrels from certain other makers.
And the fit is looser too.
But I think that the Glock's barrel is adequately supported.
I'll post a picture later of my Glock 22's barrel compared to my CZ 75B's barrel.
 
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Dean Speir has pictures of 1911's AND a Heckler and Koch USP45 that ka-boomed at the Gun zone.
The HK kB! was due to shooting an unknown reload with such an overcharge that it would blow up any gun.

The shooter was lucky he tried it in an HK where the fully-supported chamber and tremendously strong action kept his hand intact!

Again, the HK is the polymer pistol Glock wishes it could be. :cool:
 
Here are some pics of my Glock 22's barrel (.40 caliber) and my CZ 75B's barrel (also .40caliber)....

The ammo is Winchester white box practice ammo from Wal-mart....

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When comparing the two, I don't see any significant lack of support on Glock's part.
It seems to be just as supported as the CZ, and you don't hear of CZ .40's having KBs.
 
Are there any better choices which eliminate the out of battery and unsupported barrel issues?

Aftermarket barrel.

I have heard (gunboard hearsay) that current generation Glocks have better chamber support.
 
Thanks EasyG, 5 years ago a similar picture was posted on TFL by Tamara, It was a .45 Glock, 1911, HKusp, and a SIG p220, the 1911 barrel had the largest unsupported area of the case head at the feedramp out of any of the guns.

KB's are most common in the .40, ITs caused by Bullet setback, and double charges.
 
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Master Blaster - I meant not to impugn the Glock. There have been reports of Glocks ka-booming. There have been 1911's that have kaboomed. I've seen photographic evidence of USP's doing the same. Hell, the SEALs needed proof-loads and a suppressor on the barrel to make a Beretta kaboom.

Honestly, it's a tempest in a teapot.
 
When comparing the two, I don't see any significant lack of support on Glock's part.
It seems to be just as supported as the CZ, and you don't hear of CZ .40's having KBs.
Look at the very first picture, at the case where the feed ramp meets the chamber. There is a lot less support there on the glock than the CZ.
 
Look at the very first picture, at the case where the feed ramp meets the chamber. There is a lot less support there on the glock than the CZ.
I certainly would not call that "a lot less" support.

And if you look at pictures 4 and 5 you will see that the CZ has equally less support on that side.

All in all, there's just not much difference in the support.
This is a brand new 3rd generation Glock if that makes a difference.

Does anyone have a picture of a 1st or 2nd generation Glock .40 barrel?

It would also be great if others posted pics of their Sigs, HKs, XDs, and 1911s for a real comparison.
We're all here to learn, right?
 
None are so blind as those who refuse to see.

Do not count any KB with a reload. Only count KB's with factory ammunition. There HAVE been enough reports from various Law Enforcement agencies, to establish that it is and has been a problem.

I witnessed a model 21 KB about 9 years ago, I knew the guy, and he only used factory ammo. At the time he was running Remington UMC, 230gr.

Glock KB"S Primarily to 40 cal, and to a lessor degree 45 acp.

The Glocks with the problem do have something in common. The Glock 40 is an over bored 9mm just as the the 45 is an over bored 10mm (40).

I was involved with some engineers several years ago, that sent several Glock barrels for metallurgic exam.

The opinion was that the particularly the 40 and to a lessor degree the 45 Glocks had minimal safe amount of steel for their alloy. They think that a quality control problem with the tennifer process was probably the reason that a few Glocks KB'd. That point being that the process would either leave the rare barrel either to brittle or soft.

Put that together with a factory round on the high side of normal range of pressure, would create the occasional true KB.

This cannot be proven by the sources we had available to us at that time. I no longer live where I have access to these guys, and most of them have moved on, as I did.

For folks who think if Glock has a problem that the lawyers would stop them. Well historically Gaston has been and is fanatical about keeping things secret.

Look at the 4 non recall, recalls GLOCK has had during it's history. Starting back around 1990, ending with the 'E' series frame exchange program. There may be more that I am not aware of.

Talk to armour's in agencies that have shooting 40 & 45 Glocks for any length of time. Most of them are not kool aide drinkers.

Some one mentioned all the competitions that Glock had won in regards to reliability.

Please show me where I can find one certified test. All the ones I know of show the Glock not finishing first. Last that I am aware of was when Ohio State Police were looking for a replacement for their unreliable Berretta 96's.

In that test SIG finished 1&2,followed closely by HK and Glock. The functional difference between the weapons was very small, so as not to be significant. Interesting point is that all makers 45 acp pistols DNF'd. Not one 45 made it through the tests. Only the 40's. (the test was of 40 and 45's only.)

Glocks strength for Law enforcement is, reasonably reliable, rugged, cheap, easy and cheap to maintain. accurate enough.

Frankly if I decided to equip a dept in 40 S%W or 45 acp I would not choose a Glock, for safety reasons.

In 9mm, Glock really shines. Of course that is the caliber it was designed for. Interestingly enough, I have yet to see any reports of any problems with the 357SIG or 10mm models. I have personally seen a 20 come apart, but it was with a reload, and I never blame a weapon for a reload problem.

I have seen many Glocks break. Most were appropriate, a few were not. Appropriate meaning that wear and tear via number of rounds were such that a failure was find. Friend of mine had his 23 shear both rear rails, I was an 'E' series frame. He had about 27,000 round through it.

Another had the lugs on the barrel of his model 17 shear, but the gun had over 170,000 (yea, one hundred seventy thousand) rounds through it. No problem with any breakage that gun could have.

I like the price of Glock parts, and the ease to maintain the gun. I am presently down to only 3 Glocks. All 9mm. I have never been a fan of the 40, in any make, and I got rid of my Glock 45's after my friends destroyed it's self. I have owned about 19 different Glocks. Never cared for it for CCW though.

By the way, I have never seen a Glock failure cause any more than Band-aid type injuries.

So there you have it. I presently am campaigning in Steel challenge with a Glock 34, and I just acquired a Glock 19, I really like it.

I just don't see the Glocks replacing my Hipowers or 1911's at this time. I have never seen a Hipower KB, although I am sure some have. I have seen many 1911's KB. Everyone of them was by Reloads.

There you have it. I like Glocks but I don't worship Gaston's products.

Right now there are a bunch of very good and quality sidearms out there. They are all pretty well made. Most are very reliable. The differences these days are more of parts availability and ease of maintenance, and personal fit and feel. Glock, SIG and 1911's, Hipowers pass that test for me. I have not owned a XD, HK, Berretta, Walther, S&W etc... So I cannot pass judgment on them. But if I cannot get a part or parts, or need a gunsmith to replace certain parts, I am not interested in the weapon.

So I look at Glocks for what they are. A tool. Pretty good, not the best in some area's, not the worst in other area's, just a good tool.

Can't we all just get along?

Go figure.

Fred
 
Check your math! It's currently 11.73%

"To be factual, the current % of forum members who say that they have experiencd a KB is 9.18%, not "more than 11%" as you stated."


Ok, here's how you figure out the percentage of Glock owners on the poll that have personally experienced a KB. As of right now 543 individuals have voted. 117 voted "No Glock". 50 people have voted "KB". Take 543 and subtract 117. Now we know that 426 Glock owners have voted. Divide the 50 KBs by the 426 Glock owners and you get 11.73%. :neener:

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Ok, here's how you figure out the percentage of Glock owners on the poll that have personally experienced a KB. As of right now 543 individuals have voted. 117 voted "No Glock". 50 people have voted "KB". Take 543 and subtract 117. Now we know that 426 Glock owners have voted. Divide the 50 KBs by the 426 Glock owners and you get 11.73%.
Wrong again.

Even an hour ago there were way more than 543 voters.

As of now it's a total of 823 voters with 118 claiming "no Glock".
That still leaves 705 voters, much more than the 426 you claim.
And still only 50 that claim they have experienced a KB.

So, using your own formula: Divide the 50 KBs by the 705 Glock owners.....
and you get .07%.

I guess you figures are an example of that "fuzzy math".
 
+1 to easyg!



To the OP. You already own a Glock and haven't had any problems through your gun as of yet. So just keep on shooting your gun and stop worrying.

Glocks are a very very popular guns and many people own them. So of course you will hear more about Glocks than any other gun. It is all about the ratios.
 
Im shooting my G17 regularly evry saturday 100 - 150 rounds of reloaded ammo per session since i bought it new in 2005. I use my shells til they crack. No problems so far. I just field strip and wipe clean my gun after each range session & run a boresnake through the barrel several times and its good to go again.

I just check my ammo for proper fit with the gun's chamber before using them and eliminate bulged cases and those that dont fit properly..
 
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"It was quality US-made factory ammo, but I don't remember which..."

I don't believe you know that, and frankly, your say so is not good enough. The fact that you remember only selectively, damages your account. All you know is that a Glock KB'd when you were present. You're filling in the rest with conjecture, making it hearsay.


Continually drilling things like "Your Glock will cycle underwater!" into the heads of people that don't know any better than to try it is irresponsible at the least.

The point was made to illustrate why the OEM chamber and barrel are designed the way they are, and conversely, why that makes them unsuitable for shooting reloads. The explanation is correct, and a real world service to those who wish to shoot reloads with their Glocks.

But you dismiss all that (fact) and resort to spin: "Gather Round Children, NEVER SHOOT YOUR GLOCK UNDER WATER! I'm betting 90% of the readership here is too smart to follow your flute.

Rather than try to put me on a defensive, concede the point.


Legendary reliability? More than 11% of the Glock owners surveyed on the current Glock KB poll right here on THR report a KB. 11%! Yes Glocks are reliable, you can count on them to KB!...

You embarrassed yourself nicely enough here already. No further comment is necessary.


I think it's really funny that some Glock fanboys are trying to get the KB poll shut down because they don't like the results!...

I don't think three Glocks make me a fanboy. But an excellent experience with all of them, over some collective 30,000 + actual rounds fired, trumps your witch trial-like prosecution and hearsay campaign.

I've admitted there have been some problems; most are ammo related, but there appear to have been a few weapon failures. But it's not the pandemic you're selling.

Just keeping it real. :cool:

--Ray
 
I see everyone has a strong opinion. Glocks you either love them or hate them.

By out of battery I assume you mean the slide does not go all the way forward and the firing pin will release. My Glock 34 will with the slide slightly pulled back and so does my Beretta 90-TWO. So I guess both will fire out of battery. My Kimber Gold Match locks up when the slide is pulled slightly back. Looking at the owners manual there is a "disconnecter" which prevents a round from being fired unless seated in the chamber. Sounds like a good idea and appears to work.

Is the disconnector available on guns other than a 1911 design?

Also with regards to reloaded ammo. Every manual I have says don't use it. Sounds like lawyer input. Is Glock really any different than the other manufacturers in this regard?
 
Is anyone else willing to post some pics of their barrels that are more supported than the Glock's?
The first pic is of a Glock barrel, but not mine because I don't own any, I just found it online.

The next 3 are of my HK USP Compact 9mm. I realize this isn't a .40 but I just wanted to put up some proof for you kool-aid drinkers.

HK. In a world of compromise, some men don't. :evil:

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http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=813538


I believe Glock changed their 40 caliber barrels to one with more case support. Looks like the 40 has better support than the 9mm, 10mm and 45 ACP. There is a picture in the link above. Page 9 - Post #202. Check out post #205 too.

If your going to take pictures to show case support take pictures like in the link above, so people can see the unsupported part.

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Sorry dude, you are still incorrect. As of right now only 548 individuals have voted on this pole. The number of individual voters is shown just below the graph, across the bottom. Still the same 50 KBs, 118 have voted "no Glock". It's now 11.62% of polled Glock owners that have personally experienced a KB.

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