Gun "Super Owners"

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Ilbob wrote:
So if you own more than 140 guns you are no longer a "super" owner?
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Correct.

In the eyes of the people who coined the term ""Super Owner", above 140, you become a "Psychopath", "Criminal", "Domestic Terrorist" or some such similar term. Whatever the label, you are to be feared because your fettishistic relationship with guns has warped your ability to relate to your fellow man and you are thus believed to be MORE likely to take your guns and go on a killing spree.
 
I just realized I am a "Super Owner". I have six cars and two trucks, or does that not count...........lol.................
 
Dog Soldier asked:
Did you also inquire about the storage of Prescription drugs and swimming pools? Did you know if the parents had records of child molesting?
Have you reared your children to not plunder other people's homes? Have you trained your children with the NRA Eddie Eagle program?Yes, being safe from those deadly firearms is very important.
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Prescription drugs and swimming pools?
  • Prescription drugs, no, because we had already had an incident with them that pretty much warned the kids off of messing with them.
  • Swimming Pools, yes, we made sure the swimming pool had the city-mandated barrier. I've had to fish one cousin out of a pool already, I didn't care to add my chilren to that list.
Did you know if the parents had records of child molesting?
  • Didn't have to. My identity theft protection service identified all the people with child mollestation convictions within the zip code. One of them, by the way, is the father of the girl who was my older son's baby sitter.
Have you reared your children to not plunder other people's homes?
  • "Plunder"? Why not ask whether I taught them to not "pillage" or "sack" the village? Kind of a far cry from saying that I want to know whether someone is storing a gun in their home in violation of state law to asking me whether or not I teach my family to be thieves.
  • I have to say that I really resent the implication of the question that becuase I want to know whether someone keeps their guns where kids can get at them (in violation of state law) somehow leads to me being a thief or unfit parent. You should be ashamed for having even asked this. But, since you did, I do in fact teach my children to not steal.
Have you trained your children with the NRA Eddie Eagle program?
  • As a matter of fact, yes, the program was promulgated before I joined former President Bush when he resigned his NRA life membership for the NRA's unconscionable characterization of Federal Law Enforcement Officers as "Jack-Booted Thugs". At the time, I was a Federal Agent and I can say with certainty that I didn't then nor do I today own a pair of jackboots.
 
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Many polls are worded to favor a desired outcome. I have a C&R license and have a modest collection of military firearms.I know several people that are year round hunters and have two or three rifles and shotguns dedicated to each hunting season. Where does the true collector, hobbyist and hunter fit into the grand scheme of the Harvard/Northeastern University poll? Although I could have missed it I don't believe its mentioned.
 
Dog Soldier said:
Posting the number of guns you own on the web is not wise. You never know how that information maybe used and by whom? :oops:
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I didn't actually post a number, and even if I did, I hardly think it matters. The government knows about any gun you've purchased on a 4473 form, and I'd venture a guess that 98% of the people on this site have bought at least one gun that way. If you're trying to hide the fact that you are a gun owner there are at least a few things that should happen:

1) You should have NEVER purchased a gun in a recorded transaction, ever.

2) You should have NEVER joined this site.

3) You should NEVER have applied for a CCW permit, anywhere.

4) You should NEVER have joined a gun range, gun club, the NRA, etc.

Whether I have 1 gun, 8 guns, or 140+ guns hardly matters. I've posted thousands of times on this site alone, so I think most people have already probably figured out that I own guns (along with everyone else on this forum -- well, except those who have experienced those tragic boating accidents). Frankly, we aren't hiding very well if that's what we're trying to do!

I mostly started this thread because I found the premise of that article amusing, especially after I saw how many other places had similar articles using similar terminology. Although I know there are quite a few no gun families, and one gun families, I still found it entertaining that an 8 gun collection would put you in a category that Time Magazine termed a "Super Owner". By that measurement I think I'm also a computer "Super Owner", assuming I count the old functional computers I haven't yet discarded.
 
What happens at 141+ guns? Some sort of gun critical mass? I must acquire more guns in the spirit of scientific discovery!
 
Deaf Smith said:
"Gun Super Owner"? Who would come up with that term?

Ah, the same liberal gun grabbers that used to call for any person who owned multiple guns to have a 'arsenal permit' and they have to pay an 'Arsenal Tax'!

You know... Barbara Boxer, Dianne Feinstein, Chuck Schumer, etc... The usual suspects.

Deaf
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D Smith. As always a very reasonable and informative post. This whole issue of "Super Gun Owner" is a creation of the gun control advocates.
 
I own twice as many guitars as guns so... If I'm a "gun super-owner" what kind of guitar owner am I? I need to contact the writer and ask his opinion of that since he's obviously so smart and his opinion is so important.
 
hdwhit said:
Correct.

In the eyes of the people who coined the term ""Super Owner", above 140, you become a "Psychopath", "Criminal", "Domestic Terrorist" or some such similar term. Whatever the label, you are to be feared because your fettishistic relationship with guns has warped your ability to relate to your fellow man and you are thus believed to be MORE likely to take your guns and go on a killing spree.
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Beware of the man with more than 140 guns... :D
 
MondronT said:
I own twice as many guitars as guns so... If I'm a "gun super-owner" what kind of guitar owner am I? I need to contact the writer and ask his opinion of that since he's obviously so smart and his opinion is so important.
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By anti gun logic, you have a huge "cache" of guitars. You are now stockpiling.
This is seen as dangerous behavior, as guitars are called "axes" for a reason.
Innocent children could break in and rock their faces completely off.
I hope you have adequate security for those if any young children are around.
 
Bad Ninja said:
By anti gun logic, you have a huge "cache" of guitars. You are now stockpiling.
This is seen as dangerous behavior, as guitars are called "axes" for a reason.
Innocent children could break in and rock their faces completely off.
I hope you have adequate security for those if any young children are around.
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A bunch of guitars around says one thing to me - Musician!
My children are grown and gone now, but when they were young there's no way I would have allowed them to play with the children of a Musician - especially not at the Musician's house. Talk about lack of parental responsibility! Unless guitars and all other musical instruments are locked in fireproof safes, with safety locks and cables so the instruments can't even be tuned, children are going to find them and play with them.:D
 
Eight? Any serious competitor will have that many in competition guns alone!

Let's walk through this...I shoot in International muzzle-loading matches. That's four guns there, plus four backup guns, plus two repro practice guns to minimize wear on 200-year-old antiques. That's 10.

I also shoot in the North-South Skirmish Association. Meaning a musket, carbine, and horse pistol (an MLAIC gun does double duty for revolver). We're up to 13.

Toss in the other antiques I've snapped up as investments and it comes to quite a collection.
 
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Its all nonsense-----I own multiples of a lot of things. What does that make me other than an owner of multiples of a lot of things?

I have enough clothes and dishes/silverware where I could go over a month without having to do load of laundry or dishes.

I have 6 pairs of sunglasses and 3 pairs of Rx glasses-----over 8 pairs of footwear between work boots---hiking boots--tennis shoes--sandals--dress shoes ---6 or 7 belts for holding my pants up.

Have bought 6 or 7 camp/hunting knives in the last month ---not counting all the other ones from 40 or so years of collecting

Have 8 or so various backpacks--2 TV's---3 going on 4 vehicles---over 100 music CD's----50 trash bags in one box and 12 rolls of TP----and so on.................................................

When will it end?

I have a lot of stuff and not even playing in the same league as some of my richer friends------you wouldn't believe all the stuff they have.
 
They're so silly. We're being graded now, is there a test later? Eight guns is just barely getting started. I owned eight guns at age 18 and consider eight guns a year to be rather slow. I bought more than twice that last year but four or five were gifts.
 
"... I never ran across this term until tonight ..."
This has come up before. I was especially aware of it in Sep 2016 from The Guardian and The Trace citing David Hemenway and Deb Azrael "The Stock and Flow of US Firearms: Results from the 2015 National Firearms Survey", Harvard/Northeastern survey with the Harvard Injury Control Research Center funded by Michael Bloomberg. The last I checked the 2015 survey data was not available for independent review.
The term "gun super owner" was invented as a political talking point to diminish the importance of gun owners in the 2016 election campaign. It goes along the lines of claiming, sure there's been millions of sales of guns during the Obama Administration measured by NICS background checks, but that just means fewer and fewer people are buying and owning more guns ("gun super owners") and the number of gun owners as a percentage of the population or percentage of households actually declined.
The talking point is based on recent studies that "discover" that there are people who own eight or more guns. Excuse me, but I knew people who owned eight or more guns in the 1950s and 1960s, including not just gun collectors (an obvious example) but shooting sports enthusiasts who tended to be gifted guns or who inherited guns from family knowing their interests. To requote my conflation of two lines from Firefly: "So a sad eight is all it takes ...? Where's that get fun?"
The talking point is usually backed by claiming that surveys show that the percentage of households owning guns declined from 51% to 34%. In 1994, the private Gallup poll got 51% while the same year the government NSPOF survey got 34%. Gallup explains the difference in households willing to report owning guns as being more related to current gun politics (and phrasing of questions) than to the actual number of people owning guns.
The idea that gun owners were a shrinking percentage of the electotare led Hillary Clinton to run on the promise (a) to undo the Supreme Court decisions of Heller 2008 and MacDonald 2010 that affirmed an individual right to own a gun for self-defense and that overturned handgun bans in DC and Chicago; (b) to reinstate the 1994-2004 federal Assault Weapon Ban; and (c) to consider an Australian-style gun turn-in (in 1996 Australia ordered registered owners of semi-auto and pump-action long guns to surrender them or else). So, with gun owners as a shrinking minority of gun super owners, it safe for anti-gun politicians to ignore gun owners? That worked well for Hillary in 2016.
 
Quote: "....when our children were younger, my wife or I would always ascertain whether their new friends had guns in the house and how they were stored. ...."
Were you as diligent about swimming pools? In 1990 Don B. Kates wrote: " ... the 13 children under age five who died in handgun accidents may be compared to the 381 ... who drowned in swimming pools in 1980."

More recently Steven Levitt (author of "Freakonomics" and chair of the National Research Council committee that reviewed gun policy as the AWB sunset approached) had lost a child to disease and in a grief counseling session overheard a parent say she would not let her child visit home A because they had guns, besides her friends at home B had a nice backyard swimming pool. Levitt did the math and concluded that a backyard swimming pool was 100 times more likely to kill your child than a loaded gun in the bedroom nightstand.*

All guns deserve the respect due a deadly weapon but panick (such as labelling people as criminals for keeping a gun for self-defense) can blind one to more serious dangers to your kids. I recall I was taught early not to play with guns (or cigarette lighters) if I found one but backyard swimming pools .... nada.


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* (Steve Levitt, "Pools more dangerous than guns", op-ed, Chicago Sun-Times, July 28, 2001. Accidental pool deaths one to ten years old versus gun deaths: "... on average, if you both own a gun and have a swimming pool in the backyard, the swimming pool is about 100 times more likely to kill a child than the gun is. Don’t get me wrong. My goal is not to promote guns, but rather, to focus parents on an even greater threat to their children. People are well aware of the danger of guns and, by and large, gun owners take the appropriate steps to keep guns away from children. Public attitudes towards pools, however, are much more cavalier because people simply do not know the facts." Levitt's stats were annually one dead child per 11,000 pools versus one dead child per one million guns. A comment posted 2015 said current accidental death stats for children say pools are more deadly relative to guns than when Levitt wrote his op-ed in 2001. Bicycles also kill more children than guns do.)
 
Deaf Smith said:
"Gun Super Owner"? Who would come up with that term?

Ah, the same liberal gun grabbers that used to call for any person who owned multiple guns to have a 'arsenal permit' and they have to pay an 'Arsenal Tax'!

You know... Barbara Boxer, Dianne Feinstein, Chuck Schumer, etc... The usual suspects.

Deaf
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I'm ashamed to say our idiot junior Senator is one of them. He's said that people that have multiple guns are mentally ill.
Of course this is the same guy who as governor closed the highway rest stops and made fines for speeding higher for residents than those out of state. Any with out of state money and a bunch of carpetbaggers in Northern Va he was elected to the Senate then became the VP nominee on the anti gun ticket.

Obviously I disagree with him. A little logic (which he doesn't know about) and simple math shows how easy it's to own multiple guns.

One just needs a handgun, a shotgun and a rifle and you're at three before we even consider any specialty ones. Add a small pistol for conceal carry, a 22lr, an AR and you're at six. Next thing you know you're a super owner.

Sad as it is, I saw an article of a guy busted in Maryland for gun and drug charges. The article said he had an arsenal of weapons and ammo. To the so called reporter the alleged arsenal was two pistols, a rifle and about 2,000 rounds of ammo.

I also saw another article of how dangerous it is that people can but 1000 rounds of ammo as it leads to mass shootings.

As many of us know, this is BS as competitive shooters can burn through that much quickly. So I've tried to educate my friends that the numbers the anti gunners quote aren't as big as they seem if we just use a little logic and math.
 
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