HK P7: Why all the hype?
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benderx4
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Top Gun Supply just sold a couple hundred Grade B surplus P7s on another forum in a matter of days. $499. Are they 30 years older than a new Glock - yep. IMHO, in light of today's lax standards, that is actually a positive. Heck, John Browning's venerable 1911 design is over 100 years old now, and folks continue to buy them in droves. (Even with the lackluster 7+1 capacity!)
There is no logical ending to this discussion. If we were all practical and non-emotional, we'd all be driving Toyota Tercels to the corner Walgreens, and we'd NEVER look over with a tinge of envy at the guy in the next lane driving his BMW M3.
There is no logical ending to this discussion. If we were all practical and non-emotional, we'd all be driving Toyota Tercels to the corner Walgreens, and we'd NEVER look over with a tinge of envy at the guy in the next lane driving his BMW M3.
springwalk
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yes, P7 misunderstanding is often a cover for the envy buried deep within. I guarantee most all the tupperware praisers would part with their Glock in a heart beat for even a used $499 grade "B" 30 year old P7. Or trade all 3 sizes of 9mm Glock 17,19 & 26 for a grade "A" P7 PSP.
I sure would.
I sure would.varoadking
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Owning both, I wouldn't trade one for the other...
springwalk
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I'm interested in your "limitations". Is it that the P7 doesnt hold 15 rounds that a mediocre pistol like a Glock needs in order to get the job done? Is it due to the P7 generated heat after shooting unnecessary hi-capacity dump sessions? Is it due to the heft of superior all steel construction? Is it because many cant afford a state of the art design? Is it the cost of the $70 magazines? How many mags do you really carry? I'm not sure of any P7 limitations. Just multiple benefits. I'm not knocking the Glock as I have two and carry them often as they are solid budget buys, but I'll say it again, they have nothing on the P7. This American quest for low price tupperware, quantity, light plastic weight, high capacity and commercialism blitz capturing their minds has become a trade off for quality and precision. Some will never understand the great guns made yesterday.
.OK, here ya go:
1. It is out of production and therefore hard to get spare parts.
2. Not many gun smiths know how to work on them, even if you found the parts. (As opposed to Glocks, where parts are everywhere, and any monkey can fix a Glock.
3. Magazines are pricey.
4. It is not size efficient, and weighs too much for the caliber it shoots.
5. Hard to find holsters (nearly impossible before internet).
I think the P7 is a fun to shoot, very accurate novelty, but I would not want to have to a P7 as my only gun.
gc70
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918v said:
PM me where Glocks in excellent condition can be found for $250 and I'll hoard a few.
springwalk
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I just weighed my Glock 26 loaded and its 1lb 12oz. HK P7 PSP is 2lbs 2oz loaded. I dont have a 19 but I'd bet it fully loaded with 16 or whatever it would be close to the same as the P7 loaded. I'll take the precision of the P7 over the hi-capacity of the 19 anyday. Also, an awesome safe to fire transition with the P7 makes it a clear winner. We all know of many cases of cops and others accidentally shooting themselves with the "safe action" of the Glock.
Also, an awesome safe to fire transition with the P7 makes it a clear winner. We all know of many cases of cops and others accidentally shooting themselves with the "safe action" of the Glock.Have you actually convinced yourself that a 2" group at 25 yards actually has practical significance compared to a 3" group as 25 yards? I won't argue the P7 is more accurate. The one I owned was more accurate than my Glock. My quesiton is, does it make a practical difference anywhere other than slow fire at the range?
springwalk
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Have you convinced yourself you NEED high capacity volume to effectively defend yourself? Is the army of zombies tearing down your door?
No I would still prefer the Glock, even if it had an 8 round magazine. Magazine capacity is just one thing better about the Glock, but there are many others, as I have listed. I am not trashing the P7 and think it is a good pistol in its own quaint way. It is very accurate, refined, well made, and well engineered.
From a practical standpoint though, I would rather have a Glock, for reasons I have already enumerated.
Ragnar Danneskjold
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The only way I would ever own a P7 is if it was given to me somehow. And I would only keep it long enough to sell it for something I actually want. You would have to pay me to own or carry a P7.
springwalk
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I just measured the hand to bore axis of my P7 and Glock. The P7 is a good 1/8th of an inch lower than the Glock 26 thereby allowing quicker more accurate shots, also the P7 is about 1/8th inch slimmer profile. With its added weight the P7 has a softer recoil too. Other than the cheap price I'm just not seeing the advantage of the Glock, except if I dropped it or lost it I wouldnt be as upset. Could you imagine what Clint Eastwood could do with the P7 if he had it back in his Western movies.
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You can buy Two USED Glock G19 pistols for less than the price of One USED P7M8.
Grade A P7s @ CDNN for something like $699.
I can't buy used G19s for $350 each retail around my area.
I MIGHT be able to find used G23 .40 caliber pistols for $350 used though.
Grade A P7s @ CDNN for something like $699.
I can't buy used G19s for $350 each retail around my area.
I MIGHT be able to find used G23 .40 caliber pistols for $350 used though.
springwalk
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Yep, Glocks are great buys for little money. I cant believe how many people think the S&W M&P and Springfield XD are the way to go. Glock is the original(except for HK VP70) tupperware and best sub $500 piece available.
There were two things I didn't like about the M8. Its weight and short barrel in relation to heavy frame with long magazine well which required stout belt and very expensive leather holster to keep it flat against the body. Other than that I thought it was quality piece that is going to become classic collectible in the future.
Local shop has 13rd version with two magazines for $1500. Now that is an expensive heavy thick griped monster. On positive side day after thanksgiving they're going to sell some surplus police M8s for $450. They will proly last few hours or less.
Local shop has 13rd version with two magazines for $1500. Now that is an expensive heavy thick griped monster. On positive side day after thanksgiving they're going to sell some surplus police M8s for $450. They will proly last few hours or less.
springwalk
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pablo, I think the design is just genius, but I must say the thicker American M8 and definitely the M13 exceed the original intent by the germans. The original P7 PSP is perfect. P7 heel release is also the easiest and safest pistol to carry mexican style (without holster in waist)
hemiram
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The P7 is the only thing HK has made even remotely recently that I would be interested in buying. I'll pass on the plastic, no tupperware over .22LR for me.
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