"I only want a pistol that's made to injure someone ... not kill him"

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Yup...my own older sister (37) said this to me this past weekend when I was showing her a lady smith & wesson online. She was advised to get a pistol to protect herself from her seperated husband (I don't think he'd go off on her, but she was looking and I'll never talk someone out of owning a pistol;)).

I didn't know what to say when she said this... I just kinda let it go away and kept showing her nice pistols and stopped talking about calibers (didn't show her any 22's or target pistols...kept with the 38's and higher).

But she has some police friends up in VA that'll be taking her to the range, so I have confidence that'll she'll get some good training, plus she's going to take the CCW course.

Anyway, it always shocks you when someone close to you says something dumb...just passing it along cause I thought it was something worth sharing.
 
Someone who believes that should NOT be carrying a pistol. If they're not willing to shoot simply at an attacker's center of mass to stop them, with the full understanding that it might kill them, then they ARE a candidate for the "bad guy will take it away and use it on you" cliche.

That can only happen if someone is hesitant or cringing with it once drawn, in which case the BG will likely slap it out of their hands.

Either send them to a defensive course, or buy them a Taser.
 
I hope she realizes that if it becomes known she said that, she could wind up in prison if she uses a gun.

Firing a shot -- even if it misses -- is legally using deadly force. To say, "I was only trying to injure him" is an admission you used deadly force when it wasn't necessary.
 
Jeeze guys, I wouldn't give up on her yet. Send her to training and give her a better understanding of the threat and how she must deal with it. It takes time for a gal to prepare herself to kill... For us guys it's very logical to meet deadly force with deadly force, but chicks don't think the same as us. Education is the key in this situation IMHO.
 
Jose,

You can tell the lady that no one who has a gun for defense wants to kill or even injure anyone. What we want to do is stop a threat.

But, she must be willing to pull the trigger if necessary. And understand that the attacker is responsible for their own injury or death.
 
It isn't just girls that don't understand what it takes to stop a threat that justifies shooting. There are lots of people with less lethal or bird shot loaded in shotguns or planning on taking a leg or arm shot with a handgun.

It probably is just an education problem, she isn't aware of the fallacy of shooting to wound or warn. It makes sense to the average person to avoid killing someone if possible. Hopefully she does seek some training or someone explains to her the reasons we shoot for center mass.

Statistics that show how long a person can continue to function enough to kill you are good, so is explaining the likely distance of an attacker is short enough to require definitive resolution to a threat. She also has to get to the point where she can accept the person committing the crime choose to put himself in that situation and his safety isn't her responsibility.

Only through education will people realize there are good reasons to shoot for center mass and an uncontrolled desire to kill someone isn't one of them.
 
I had a similar incident some time ago, a female freind was asking about getting a pistol as someone tried to Kick her door in.
When I asked if she was willing to shoot and kill someone, I was told that I was "Spewing Macho Bull$%#t" by another man involved in the conversation.
Why would you Point a gun at another person if you were unwilling to kill them I asked.
"Just to wound, and then call the Police, you don't have to kill them." was the answer. I rolled my eyes and told the woman she needed to think about what I said, and call me if she still wanted to buy a gun, I would help.
The only thing more constant than Entropy, is Human Stupidity

JoseM, I am not implying your sister is stupid and I know it sounded that way as I read this now.
I hope she gets to the range a lot and comes to realize that shooting to wound is the last thing recommended by any knowledgable shooter in self defense situations.
 
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Yup, the best thing is to get her in a self-defense class.
She needs to get in the mindframe of defending herself and knowing when
is the time to do it before handling any type of armament.
 
If she doesn't know much about guns it is an easy conclusion to make that since some guns use big bullets and some fire small bullets that the smaller ones aren't made to kill. She probably knows that even the small ones are deadly, just make that clear to her. Having done that, let her pick out something she likes, the quickest way to turn someone off is to start them on a 38 snubbie!
 
I'm finding this stuff out first hand. My fiancie had always been really leary with firearms. Most of my practice is IDPA style, using silhouetes. WE had a pretty good converstation last night and part of it was her intrests in my hobbies. Come to find out, the reason she really isn't into shooting at the moment is that she has not yet reasoned with the thought of killing an attacker. The whole silhouete thing was really turning her off to shooting. So we are going to start shooting in the bullseye league and hopefully she will take a liking to that.
 
If she does'nt have the mindset to shoot to kill it's game over. She should build a safe room in her house instead.

The Lord helps those who help themselves, everyone else is on their own.
 
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You know, just reading this makes me pucker.

Some "Oleg-style" captions came to mind.
  • He doesn't care about your daughter's rights. You're worried about his?
  • Treat him with kindness and consideration; he's only here to rob and rape you.
  • If you only wound him, he will see the error of his ways. NOT.
  • Here comes the home invader; I hope I don't hurt him.
  • My wife (hostess www.noisyroom.net), on hearing this has added:
    "I only want to nuke him a little bit."
There's a serious arrrgggghhh factor in this.
 
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I'll freely admit, I do not have the mindset to kill anyone. If someone uses lethal force against me, I have no problem using lethal force to stop his actions. If he dies from it... wow. He might come to the conclusion in the little time left, that he should not have started the whole shebang. Then again, he might not die... who cares? As long as he stops doing whatever it is he was doing and I don't get shot or die, I can live with that... I think.

But then again, maybe she needs one of those really cool, really large, really ugly rubber bullet (12 ga?) 4-shot super derringer things that (max?... or someone in Russia who's a mamber here) has recently posted herein. I know I'd love to get one for the cool factor alone.
 
My wife would empty the magazine, reload/ re empty/pepper spray and then get the baton out and go to whipping the idiot.:evil: I'd say she was using embarassing sailors language during the beating, but ya'll would think unkindly of my little sweetums:neener:
 
I only want to be attacked by a homicidal maniac that hurts my feelings.

Seriously, It's great that she is willing to take the first step and arm herself. Leave it to the professionals to sell her on the rest.
 
My 10-year-old daughter is looking over my shoulder as I read this thread. She says, “Give her a squirt gun filled with lemon juice.”
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Very funny and not a half bad idea. Don't kill em, just make their eyes sting and run away.
 
I agree with Bobo on this. She needs to go visit Cornered Cat and see what PAX has, err, "penned" there.

Also, she does not need the "killer" mindset, she just needs the "winning" mindset. She has to accept that if she should need to discharge a defensive firearm at an attacker that her only concern is to stop the attacker the best way she can, that being shoot into the center of mass until the attacker stops. She has to want to "win" the encounter and train to do just that. No need to plan to kill somebody, just stop them. If death of the attacker is the ultimate result then, sadly, that is how it was meant to be.
 
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