Sean Smith
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Except that .40 S&W doesn't give you an increase in capacity.
Glock 22: 15 rounds.
Glock 20: 15 rounds.
I want a 10mm, but which one?
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Except that .40 S&W doesn't give you an increase in capacity.
Glock 22: 15 rounds.
Glock 20: 15 rounds.
JNewell
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No, OD is the same. What they did get out of the short & weak was the ability to use 9x19 frames, which have smaller girth...easier for officers with smaller hands...
Just F.Y.I. ...
... but, actually, JNewell's reference to "9x19 frames" is pretty close.
Because most Bureau recruits in the late 80s and early 90s weren't experienced shooters (if they even had any prior shooting or military experience at all), they had difficulty qualifying regularly with the full-strength 10mm. (But those who had significant shooting experience and/or military backgrounds, along with many veterans agents, liked the hotter 10mm loads). Another aspect of recruiting was the increasing numbers of women and slightly-built males entering the ranks, a fact common to all levels of LE then and which continues today. Also, the Bureau actively recruits professional, "degreed" people - lawyers, accountants and those with science and medical backgrounds. (No criticism intended, but among those latter types you're probably not likely to recruit many Jeff Coopers or Rob Leathams).
Using a 180gn 10mm/.40cal JHP, the .40S&W attempted to fit low-end 10mm "stopping power" into a 9mm-size gun. The theory was that this new cartridge would exhibit less overall recoil in a more compatibly-sized pistol (for most users), while still producing acceptable stopping power with a relatively heavy bullet (i.e., 180gns). Whether it succeeded or not is another issue.
Capacity between 10mm and .40 guns varies. Sometimes they're identical, as Sean noted, such as with the full-size Glock 20 and 22. Both hold 15+1 with "pre-ban" mags.
The large-frame 10mm Smiths are a 9+1 single-stack proposition, while the 40S&W 4006 sports 11+1 capacity.
Be advised that Smith made a special, slightly elongated base pad for the 9rd mags issued with the FBI 1076s which gave a "+2" increase in mag capacity. Thus, swapping in this longer base pad for the flat factory pad gave the user an 11+1 1076, with only minimal grip lengthening (where concealment might be an issue).
... but, actually, JNewell's reference to "9x19 frames" is pretty close.
Because most Bureau recruits in the late 80s and early 90s weren't experienced shooters (if they even had any prior shooting or military experience at all), they had difficulty qualifying regularly with the full-strength 10mm. (But those who had significant shooting experience and/or military backgrounds, along with many veterans agents, liked the hotter 10mm loads). Another aspect of recruiting was the increasing numbers of women and slightly-built males entering the ranks, a fact common to all levels of LE then and which continues today. Also, the Bureau actively recruits professional, "degreed" people - lawyers, accountants and those with science and medical backgrounds. (No criticism intended, but among those latter types you're probably not likely to recruit many Jeff Coopers or Rob Leathams).
Using a 180gn 10mm/.40cal JHP, the .40S&W attempted to fit low-end 10mm "stopping power" into a 9mm-size gun. The theory was that this new cartridge would exhibit less overall recoil in a more compatibly-sized pistol (for most users), while still producing acceptable stopping power with a relatively heavy bullet (i.e., 180gns). Whether it succeeded or not is another issue.
Capacity between 10mm and .40 guns varies. Sometimes they're identical, as Sean noted, such as with the full-size Glock 20 and 22. Both hold 15+1 with "pre-ban" mags.
The large-frame 10mm Smiths are a 9+1 single-stack proposition, while the 40S&W 4006 sports 11+1 capacity.
Be advised that Smith made a special, slightly elongated base pad for the 9rd mags issued with the FBI 1076s which gave a "+2" increase in mag capacity. Thus, swapping in this longer base pad for the flat factory pad gave the user an 11+1 1076, with only minimal grip lengthening (where concealment might be an issue).
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JNewell
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Yes, my post ignored the single stack/double stack issue. The deeper (fore to aft) SS 10xx series is probably more manageable than many shorter but fatter 9x19/.40 pistols.
Do you remember what the FBI rolled out after the 1076? Was it a single or double stack? Bet it was double, but don't remember. Anyway, I'll bet the overall "gripability" isn't much different and might actually be better on the 1076...
Do you remember what the FBI rolled out after the 1076? Was it a single or double stack? Bet it was double, but don't remember. Anyway, I'll bet the overall "gripability" isn't much different and might actually be better on the 1076...
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