Idiot kid with .22 shot dead by CCW holder

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Master Blaster,

I went back and re-read your post.

Yes, you were putting forth hipotheticals.

Here is another one.

The intended victim puts the car in drive and runs over the youth with the gun. He stops and a crowd gathers. The crowd applauds him for removing a predator from their midst. He lived only a couple blocks away and this would have been prime territory for him to hunt.

Some evidence of the emotions of any crowd that may have gathered is the fact that the intended victim after shooting the bg, stayed at the scene until the police arrived and didn't find it necessary to defend himself from the gathering crowd.

Another scenario.

He put the car in drive and left the area. When he got to a safe place he called the police and gave them a description of the bgs. They knew from previous contact who they were. When they confronted him, the bg, he put down his unloaded weapon and surrendered.

The possibilities are endless and since none of us were there and only have a news report to go on, we will never know what the "BEST" response was. In this case the intended victim did what he thought he had to in order to protect his life. You can't fault him for that, and I certainly don't. However, the way the story is reported, it appears he may have had an opportunity to leave, maybe, maybe not. But again, we weren't there and will never know.

As with all of these reports, there are so many variables and conflicting stories that we, sitting in the safety of our own homes, cannot make a truly informed decision as to the rightness or wrongness of the intended victims actions. We can, however, make an informed decision about the rightness or wrongness of the bgs actions. Not only were they wrong in their actions but fatally stupid too boot.

DM
 
I wouldn't be surprised to see a teenager with an AK in that neighborhood. Come to think of it there've been a number of shootings and killings involving them all over the city including one maybe 20 blocks from me.
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I see the court is dragging another case out. This happened not too far away from the case under discussion. These 'kids' also should have been at home when they attacked a couple sitting in a city park. Check out their ages.

"Libby Hill attackers sentencing continued.

Looking at the Virginia Courts Case Information (Richmond City Circuit), it appears that yesterday's sentencing was continued until July 19th.

The four defendants are brothers Kelvin Leon Lightfoot, 17, and Kenard Rawshawn Lightfoot, 16, and cousins Rashard Leon Garnett, 15, and Travon Montra Garnett, 14. They pleaded guilty to charges of rape, sodomy, abduction with intent to defile and robbery. Each count carries a maximum penalty of life in prison. The judge had originally set sentencing for May 23."
 
"Kelvin," "Kenard," "Rashard," "Travon"... :rolleyes:

I postulate that a lot of crimes could be prevented if we just banned people from naming their little miscreants thuswise. 'Cause, you know, it seems awful common to read that the criminals had names like ... these.

-Jeffrey
 
peaceful,

I agree, but.

One of my friends is named Laverne, and he has never tried to hold anyone up at gun point. LOL.

I have noticed that there seems to be a number of people named John Wayne "whatever" that have done dastardly deeds.

DM
 
How can you hide a gun from members of your household???

Well it could have been hidden outside the house, it was most likely stollen, since there is no place where a 14 yearold can legally buy a gun, ammo is probably harder to come by though. I would not be surprised if this child is a member of a gang and they provided the gun. This could have been his first "job" for them.

Unfortunately where I work we see this kind of stuff everyday. Folks on this board would be Horrified and appalled how people treat their children.

Mom has 4 kids 15, 13, 11, 9 and a baby on the way she was in jail on a 5 year sentance for distribution of drugs but got paroled last year, so now she is pregnant again and dealing crack or hanging out with a boyfriend dealing. The kids are living with various relatives Aunt, Grandma etc. All of the kids were born addicted to crack, or have Fetal alcohol syndrome. All are in special ed behind 2 or more grades. All have been arrested for theft, some for dealing armed robbery and assault.

I saw a case where two 8 year old twin brothers almost beat a homeless man to death, they told the police officer who arrested them: "they did it for FUN, and because he smelled bad." They are now 16 and have been arrrested numerous times for robbery, assault, drug dealing and possession of firearms and other deadly weapons, they are in drug treatment and have lived in several Residential treatment centers and foster homes. Mom is in prison again, so they are living with grandmom who has 6 of her offspring's children. They are in section 8 housing. Their social worker reports that they are non compliant with treatment, and when she visited the kids ages 8-16 years were smoking a couple of joints and sharing a bottle of wine in the living room.

These children will never be productive members of society, they will either be killed, kill somone or end up in jail, or like their mother. These "children" would kill you for $10 so they can go buy another rock or a bag of weed.

Its truely scarry and very sad as well.
 
However, the way the story is reported, it appears he may have had an opportunity to leave, maybe, maybe not. But again, we weren't there and will never know.


I am unaware of ANY car, not even a Vette, that can outrun a AK round. Point what looks like an assault rifle at me and try to jack me, and you get capped.
 
I'm a little appalled at how ghoulish folks on this thread sound -- as if we're all dancing in the blood of this 14-year-old child.

14 year olds who threaten armed robbery at night NEED to be taken out of the gene pool.

My heart goes out to the true victim of this event, the man who had to take the life of a 14 year old while protecting his own. I am certain that this will haunt him for the rest of his days.
 
14 year olds who threaten armed robbery at night NEED to be taken out of the gene pool.

Has there been some followup to this? Is there any proof that the kid threatened the guy?

If it's just his word on what happened, it's just as likely that he made that part up after shooting the kid.
 
Pax wrote:

Yes, yes, I'm aware he presented what looked like a deadly threat. And if the facts are as stated, I believe it was a good shoot. I don't see what else the guy could reasonably have done.

Why was just driving away not an option ? Run away ... then run further away is the advice I read in violent confrontational situations. I'm not sure why that was not an option here, as the shooter seemed to have ample time and opportunity to simply drive away.

Hook686
 
How can you hide a rifle from the other members of your household?

Start with a household that lets kids out to ride bikes close to midnight on a schoolnight. Maybe they werent all that observant, heck they couldnt even remember that their kid had a juvenile record when they were talking to the RTD.

I havent seen pictures of this kid but some 14 year olds look like men. In this same neighborhood, last year, a group of kids 1-5 years older than this kid raped and beat a couple.

Man I hope I never have to shoot a kid, or anyone for that matter.

Joe
 
"ample time and opportunity to simply drive away."

Time it yourself. Turn the key until the engine catches, shift into gear, release the parking brake, etc.

How many rounds can you fire from a gun in, say, 2 seconds? You have fired a gun before, right? ;)

John...I'll be keeping an eye out for updates.
 
peacefuljeffrey
"Kelvin," "Kenard," "Rashard," "Travon"... :rolleyes:

I postulate that a lot of crimes could be prevented if we just banned people from naming their little miscreants thuswise. 'Cause, you know, it seems awful common to read that the criminals had names like ... these.

Ok, well in that case I vote for "Eric" and "Dylan" to go as well. :(


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2 simple yet oddly apparent lessons here for all to learn,

1. Being a parent means knowing what your child is involved in(and with whom) at whatever cost :banghead: !
2. Parents need to BE parents, and if you don't want to be parents, DON"T HAVE KIDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

14 yrd old kids don't belong awake at 11:40, let alone riding the streets(with or without a weapon:fire:...
Last I checked, right about 13-16(when the outside world calls) is when you really find out how good of a parent you were :uhoh: :( !!
 
"Kelvin," "Kenard," "Rashard," "Travon"...

I postulate that a lot of crimes could be prevented if we just banned people from naming their little miscreants thuswise. 'Cause, you know, it seems awful common to read that the criminals had names like ... these.

Same goes for "Jeffrey"
 
Satellite


The area under discussion is on the east end of town, just to the left of "Nine Mile Road". Note that #4 is the Fairfield Court housing project and #3 is Creigton Court.

This is a map of murder locations for 2000-2003.
 
If it's just his word on what happened, it's just as likely that he made that part up after shooting the kid.

Um, no, it isn't. The likelyhood of an armed citizen defending him/herself in Richmond is not the same as the likelyhood of someone going out and murdering someone and then planting the rifle/taped magazine that they carry around as a "throw gun" just in case they want to murder someone.
 
The reporter e-mailed me back. He thanked me for the information and said he got the "40 mm" handgun info from his source. He said he didn't know enough to know it was incorrect.
 
Peaceful and Dev,

No, he doesn't have L's on the left or any part of his sweaters as far as I know. :neener:

Actually he is a Junior, his first and middle names are Kenneth Laverne. I origianally knew him as Vern, but after his dad died he started going by Ken. It's getting so you can't tell your players without a score card.

Also, Don't call me Shirley. :p

DM
 
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