If the AWB sunsets, why not vote for Bush?

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If it really does sunset, I think the smart thing is to vote for Bush (unless of course he really advocates renewal during second term and on the campaign trail. Doubt it).

Why let Kerry win and vindicate the CSGV and Brady?

If Kerry wins , you know that Brady will crow "See Bush not renewing the ban seeled his fate. "

Thoughts?
 
I don't want to speak for anyone, but I bet two good reasons would include:

--Campaign Finance Reform, which Bush said was probably unconstitutional, but he signed anyway, and now limits political speech.

and

--Medicare Reform, which will ultimately cost taxpayers tons of money.
 
There is an entire list of things that Bush has done wrong domestically.

If you think he has made some whopper missteps, then elect a socialist. Then we will have huge problems domestically and with foreign policy.

CFR can be changed. I think that after this election cycle, the people that must abide by it will change it.

Medicare is a huge question mark. Talk about stealing from your childrem. Gimme, Gimme, Gimme.

And so on.

Bad laws can be rescinded or modified.
Cities destroyed by terrorist weapons can't be rebuilt and lives can't be returned.

Bush may be riding the fence on the 2A, but sKerry is firmly on the grabber side.

Not a real tough decision, just hold your nose.
 
"Patriot" Act.

Tommy Chong and other horrific "war on some drugs" abuses.

The worst though, is that he's going to pick future US Supremes based on whether or not they'll back up the stupidest aspects of the "War on Terrorism" - such as denying US citizens contact with lawyers indefinately.

Basically, any judge that'll go readily along with THAT is going to be one totalitarian minded son of a female dog...and will probably suck wind on guns AND all other general civil rights issues.

Ashcroft is a cackling psychotic. The fact that he's still in office is just...unbelievable. He's every bit as bad as shake'n'bake and demonstrably stupider. Example: BATFE was moved to a slot under USDOJ. Somebody asked 'em to justify their jobs. Good idea. Then the BATFEcklers go completely wiggy making bizarre busts that won't hold up so they can rack up "scores" and justify their positions and nobody at USDOJ *notices* what the lunatics are doing? Oh...give...me...a...BREAK! Puleeze.

It ain't just BATFE. All of USDOJ has gone bonkers. TOMMY FREAKIN' CHONG as public enemy numba one? While ignoring the Oklahoma ATF morons who stashed captured explosives in an office building housing a DAY CARE CENTER back on Clinton's watch. Oh hell no.

I swear to God I've never been so disgusted with somebody I voted for and actively supported.
 
While ignoring the Oklahoma ATF morons who stashed captured explosives in an office building housing a DAY CARE CENTER back on Clinton's watch. Oh hell no.
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Explain please.
 
I don't get it.


Reagan tried to ****can the BATFE but Bush and Bush never tried or won't?


I disagree about Ashcroft. He actually said the SA is an individual right.
 
In my view any issue outside the war on Islamofascist terrormongers is of secondary importance. The cost of failure in the war is far too high to put it conduct into the hands of a beat-up Vietnam War boat commander.

That said, I will not give Bush a pass on his domestic policy.

--Prescription Drugs was an unnecessary and politically craven act.
--Campaign Finance Control was a brightly lit billboard beside the road telling everyone Bush has no regard for consitutional restrain.
--His constant sucking up to Vincente Fox about illegal immigration and his announced policy of amnesty is a direct violation of his consitutionally mandate oath of office. His refusal to gain control of illegal immigration is a clear statement that he does not believe in US sovereignty. . . . . the self same sovereignty he claims as cause for launching a war against islamofascist terrormongers.

Bush can not be trusted with SCOTUS appointments. Why would anyone think he will appoint constitutionally constrained jurists in view of his clear actions.

Bush has my vote but my republican representative in congress does noit. I will vote for a Democrat in our open senatorial seat.

I'm going for maximum gridlock. Bush just can not trusted with domestic policy.
 
Waitone,

Democrats AGREE with Bush's domestic agenda (except taxes). They helped get CFR and prescription drugs, well some of them.

They are mad because Bush is supporting their pet issues.
 
Hopefully all those railing against illegal aliens are not libertarians. . .
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It's one of my main problems with Bush and I'm not really a libertarian. I'm more of a weird mix of 40% Libertarian 40% Pat Buchanan conservative, and the other 20% spends all it's time fighting about whether I'm a Warmonger or a bring back the troops, shut down the borders and let the rest of the world drown in a puddle of it's own piss isolationist.
 
I disagree about Ashcroft. He actually said the SA is an individual right.
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No, he said it is a privilege granted by government that can be restricted in whatever manner the government deems to be "reasonable".
 
I can't stand Kerry and the Dems, but if I pull the lever for Bush, and Bush wins, I just know that I will feel like Charlie Brown after Lucy pulls away the football (yet again).

I'd rather vote for the Libertarians and have a clean conscience. Besides, I live in Texas so it doesn't matter, Bush will win Texas so I might as well vote LP.
 
is Jim saying

The ATF left explosives in the OK Fed building and that contributed to
th OK City bombing?

If the AWB sunsets I'll vote for Bush and send a check to his campaign.
But I will continue to Pray for a real conservative party someday.

I don't see any 3rd party that can beat both demicans and republicrats.

Tommy Chong was railroaded,but dems are just as guilty as repubs on the war against some drugs.

We are stuck between a rock and a hard place,Bush is a short hair better then Kerry due to support for handgun rights. Kerry would never ever support somekind of nationwide CCW reciprocity and Bush might (if it ever gets to his desk that is)

I talk to alot of people and most think that Bush is real conservative
we are fighting a mass media which is all liberal and mass complacency as well.

I think the next Islamofacsist terrorist strike (if it kills tens of thousands) may change things...

Unless of course if they destroy SF,CA where I'm living now,the rest of the country may thank them for that:(
 
The worst though, is that he's going to pick future US Supremes based on whether or not they'll back up the stupidest aspects of the "War on Terrorism" - such as denying US citizens contact with lawyers indefinately.
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Jim,

I like to call that Communism 101 myself.. :D

the Supremes are singing a bad tune on every single civil rights issues as far as I can hear... :barf:
 
OK. Let's talk about Oklahoma.

I listened to the radio broadcasts from the scene for the first three hours post-blast. One of the things that slowed rescue efforts was that other explosives kept turning up in the wreckage...a LOT, and of all different types. Mostly pipe bombs...I specifically recalled those being mentioned.

We know what happened. ATF was storing confiscated evidence in that building, which was scattered around by the blast.

I do NOT know that some specific large hunk o' boomstuff was present, big enough to add seriously to the truck-bomb's effects. I strongly suspect it, and it would explain a lot of the concerns about how the truck bomb severed reinforced concrete columns at their bases without the need of an elaborate conspiracy to separately wire the columns (which seems damned unlikely). According to this theory, a BATF safe on a high floor containing C4 or God knows what was dislodged, fell and went seriously boom at ground level.

But I don't have to speculate on the smaller bombs. Local news interviewed firefighters who gave eyewitness reports of scattered weird explosives all over the place slowing rescue efforts. This info was systematically covered up after the fact...which makes me wonder what the hell else was covered up.
 
c_yeager,

The Democrat plan is even worse, I am fully aware.

The question is not which plan to choose, but why choose any plan at all?

New entitlement programs are not traditionally part of a conservative Republican candidate's platform. The correct response from Bush should have been no drug bill at all.
 
This place is getting to be more like DU everyday.
Returning the anti-gun dem party back into power and moving the country to the left will make it all better?
So what color is the sky in your worlds?
 
Shooter,

The problem is that the Republican Party has started moving the country to the left almost as fast as the Democrats.

Bush has been successful at passing more bad legislation than Clinton ever did.

The current Republican party is not the same as when Reagan was president.
 
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