If you were to move to a PRO-GUN state, which one?
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hacksaw
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Ya Gotta Love SC!!
South Carolina is a shall issue state and class III is legal for those with the taste & wallet for full auto.
South Carolina is a shall issue state and class III is legal for those with the taste & wallet for full auto.
Fly320s
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I did move to a pro-gun state, New Hampshire.
Sure, I was living in Tennessee, which is pro-gun, but I wanted to move closer to where I work. Since I now work in Boston, NH is the closest, most pro-gun state around.
And their politics overall aren't too bad.
Sure, I was living in Tennessee, which is pro-gun, but I wanted to move closer to where I work. Since I now work in Boston, NH is the closest, most pro-gun state around.
And their politics overall aren't too bad.
CK
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Dr. Dickie said.
Hahaha Dr. Dickie. I remember driving from Toronto to Orlando with my friends when I was 16, during school break. I was sooo surprised to see Ontario license plates everywhere in Florida. (Being that I am ethnically Chinese(though I was born in Indonesia) and was just immigrated to Canada for a year at that time)
Sure bring back memories.
Hahaha Dr. Dickie. I remember driving from Toronto to Orlando with my friends when I was 16, during school break. I was sooo surprised to see Ontario license plates everywhere in Florida. (Being that I am ethnically Chinese(though I was born in Indonesia) and was just immigrated to Canada for a year at that time)
Sure bring back memories.
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Indiana has the second highest percentage of its population with CCW. More that 7 percent of adults have a CCW and if you live just 20 miles out of the center of the only real city it is easy to have a 2000 yard shooting range in your back yard. My backyard shooting range is actually closer to 4000 yards.
Go someplace where you can both get a job and be able to live commuting distance from your job in the country. It is hard to open the back door and shoot at 1k yards from the sofa in town.
Go someplace where you can both get a job and be able to live commuting distance from your job in the country. It is hard to open the back door and shoot at 1k yards from the sofa in town.
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Listen to the Brady Center...
...to Prevent Gun Ownership: http://www.stategunlaws.org/
I have found that 'trolling for info on their website will give you a pretty good idea of the states you want to avoid and those you might wish to consider as suitable living places.
However, you might want to loosen your standards a tad. Don't just pick the "F"-rated states. There are actually some very good states that have, unfortunately, been graded unfairly by the Brady-ites. For example, VA garners a "C-", whereas PA garners a "D+". I know for a fact that neither of those states deserves such a reputation. Based on my experience, both states are excellent places to live and should have been graded at "D-" or "F".
Whatever the hell you do, don't move to Maryland. That place is death for people like us, though it's a great place to live for American-based Euroweenies.
...to Prevent Gun Ownership: http://www.stategunlaws.org/
I have found that 'trolling for info on their website will give you a pretty good idea of the states you want to avoid and those you might wish to consider as suitable living places.
However, you might want to loosen your standards a tad. Don't just pick the "F"-rated states. There are actually some very good states that have, unfortunately, been graded unfairly by the Brady-ites. For example, VA garners a "C-", whereas PA garners a "D+". I know for a fact that neither of those states deserves such a reputation. Based on my experience, both states are excellent places to live and should have been graded at "D-" or "F".
Whatever the hell you do, don't move to Maryland. That place is death for people like us, though it's a great place to live for American-based Euroweenies.
Deanimator
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Ohio; we just repealed almost every gun control law in the state!
Eskimo Jim
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Yes, Vermont dispenses with many obstacles to gun ownership and CCW however it doesn't have much of an economy. In fact, much of the northeast does not have a growing economy.
New Hampshire tends to be rather friendly to gun owners. I believe that you do need a permit to CCW in NH but the fee and wait are minimal. While not ideal like VT, NH is still friendly towards firearm ownership while having a stronger economy. The friendly environment could change as more people flee the utopia of Massachusetts for New Hampshire and bring their voting tendancies with them.
Jim
New Hampshire tends to be rather friendly to gun owners. I believe that you do need a permit to CCW in NH but the fee and wait are minimal. While not ideal like VT, NH is still friendly towards firearm ownership while having a stronger economy. The friendly environment could change as more people flee the utopia of Massachusetts for New Hampshire and bring their voting tendancies with them.
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We are a VERY pro-gun state. We are shall issue CCW, NFA weapons OK, Catsle Doctrine + (first state to pass) Stand Your Ground laws, no rifle/shotgun waiting period, no handgun wait with CCW, no permit to own guns req, no limit to number of gun buys per month, no registration, no AWbans, can buy shotgun/rifles from contiguous states, great reciprocity, etc.
Plus, we have sunny tropical weather and beaches. **(end quote)
And Florida was the first state to issue a ccw,
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We are a VERY pro-gun state. We are shall issue CCW, NFA weapons OK, Catsle Doctrine + (first state to pass) Stand Your Ground laws, no rifle/shotgun waiting period, no handgun wait with CCW, no permit to own guns req, no limit to number of gun buys per month, no registration, no AWbans, can buy shotgun/rifles from contiguous states, great reciprocity, etc.
Plus, we have sunny tropical weather and beaches. **(end quote)
And Florida was the first state to issue a ccw,
I would move to Vermont (where I grew up).
As for having a CCW permit for other states, one can get a NH out of state permit with a letter from your Vermont town police chief. Once you have the NH permit, you can use that in other states that allow, or you can use your NH permit to apply for other non-resident permits.
VT Gun Laws: http://www.nraila.org/statelawpdfs/VTSL.pdf
"It is lawful to carry a firearm openly or concealed provided the firearm is not carried with the intent or avowed purpose of injuring a fellow man."
As for jobs, Vermont's biggest export is electronics (IBM and others).
As far as the politics go, Vermont is quite liberal on social issues, and *generally* moderate to conservative on fiscal issues. Most of the liberal support comes from Burlington, which contains 1/3 of the population of the whole state. Go outside of Burlington, and you find many good people who want to live their lives and mind their own business, except when somebody needs help. Growing up there, I saw and participated in many acts of selflessness to help other people in a bind (delivering medicine in a storm, driving people through flooded roads, helping out after a house/barn fire, etc).
I'm sure there are people like this throughout the country, but living near Boston for 5 years makes me forget sometimes..
As for having a CCW permit for other states, one can get a NH out of state permit with a letter from your Vermont town police chief. Once you have the NH permit, you can use that in other states that allow, or you can use your NH permit to apply for other non-resident permits.
VT Gun Laws: http://www.nraila.org/statelawpdfs/VTSL.pdf
"It is lawful to carry a firearm openly or concealed provided the firearm is not carried with the intent or avowed purpose of injuring a fellow man."
As for jobs, Vermont's biggest export is electronics (IBM and others).
As far as the politics go, Vermont is quite liberal on social issues, and *generally* moderate to conservative on fiscal issues. Most of the liberal support comes from Burlington, which contains 1/3 of the population of the whole state. Go outside of Burlington, and you find many good people who want to live their lives and mind their own business, except when somebody needs help. Growing up there, I saw and participated in many acts of selflessness to help other people in a bind (delivering medicine in a storm, driving people through flooded roads, helping out after a house/barn fire, etc).
I'm sure there are people like this throughout the country, but living near Boston for 5 years makes me forget sometimes..
ricci316
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North Carolina - Sensible laws, reciprocity with many other states, people who are actually willing to voice their concerns to their elected officials, and generally speaking a lot of good people to call neighbors
I also had to make this decision, and I moved to Reno, I'm sure you still have friends or family in CA, and NV is still within driving distance and has nary a bad gun law, is Shall issure, and you can carry anywhere (including bars) except schools and federal buildings. Very gun friendly...
TOU
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I'm surprised more folks haven't mentioned Utah...overall very gun friendly and surprisingly, you can carry concealed at Utah University.
Cosmoline
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Well they're only around half of the year. Actually, in any built-up area outside the bush, insects are minimal. You have to go into the boggy areas in south central to get into any serious insect life. There are a LOT more insects in the southwest. Including giant spiders and scorpions. Also, we have no snakes at all.
News Shooter
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I am shocked I tell you, that no one mentioned
MA
Come see us sometime
MA
Come see us sometime
B. Adams
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I like it here in South Dakota. It's not perfect, but I think it's definitely one of the better states for guns. A CCW permit is $10 for 4 years, with no training requirement, you can carry everywhere except bars, schools, and courthouses, and it gets you out of the waiting period for handgun sales. Open carry is allowed without a permit. I grew up in the Black Hills and I felt that the Lead-Deadwood school system was pretty good (I turned out OK, I guess ). Property tax is reasonable, vehicle registration is very low, and there's no state income tax.
North Dakota is a little more restrictive on CCW than South Dakota, as you can't carry in bars, casinos, public buildings or events (church, concerts, etc).
Montana and Wyoming are great, Idaho, Colorado, Utah, and Nevada are really good too.
Minnesota is pretty good, Nebraska is starting to get better, as is Kansas. Iowa is terrible, Wisconsin and Illinois are worse (obviously).
Personally, if I was thinking about leaving South Dakota, I'd be looking at western Montana, and maybe Colorado. I love the trees, hills and mountains, and I like curvy roads. I don't mind snow but I don't like the wind. Wyoming is a little too isolated for me, and I like a little isolation. Wyoming just has too many small towns with nothing to do, which is saying something, since I'd say that I've always lived in small towns with nothing to do (and I still do).
). Property tax is reasonable, vehicle registration is very low, and there's no state income tax.North Dakota is a little more restrictive on CCW than South Dakota, as you can't carry in bars, casinos, public buildings or events (church, concerts, etc).
Montana and Wyoming are great, Idaho, Colorado, Utah, and Nevada are really good too.
Minnesota is pretty good, Nebraska is starting to get better, as is Kansas. Iowa is terrible, Wisconsin and Illinois are worse (obviously).
Personally, if I was thinking about leaving South Dakota, I'd be looking at western Montana, and maybe Colorado. I love the trees, hills and mountains, and I like curvy roads. I don't mind snow but I don't like the wind. Wyoming is a little too isolated for me, and I like a little isolation. Wyoming just has too many small towns with nothing to do, which is saying something, since I'd say that I've always lived in small towns with nothing to do (and I still do).
Come to RI! It's the only "Shall Issue" state that "Won't Issue". The plus side is you can sue your town for not issuing you a permit, get the permit and lump sum of cash for a civil rights violation. That's pretty much our pistol permit process here.
B. Adams
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Wow, so they pay you to get a permit in Rhode Island? Sign me up!
Patriot-Brewer
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CALIFORNIA of course....
We have Yosemite, Kings Canyon and Sequoia National Parks, Death Valley, The Mojave Desert, lots of great fishing-both fresh and salt, the Sierra Nevadas and many other large, beautiful mountain ranges, good skiing (when it snows), lots of water (when it rains), lots of illegal aliens...oops, ignore that, L.A....oops, ignore that too, Hollywood...uh...yeah, why don't you just ignore that too and as beautiful as it can be, I'm not going to mention San Francisco either...that place is just .
Oh wait, you wanted gun friendly...and your're already from here. Nevermind.
We have Yosemite, Kings Canyon and Sequoia National Parks, Death Valley, The Mojave Desert, lots of great fishing-both fresh and salt, the Sierra Nevadas and many other large, beautiful mountain ranges, good skiing (when it snows), lots of water (when it rains), lots of illegal aliens...oops, ignore that, L.A....oops, ignore that too, Hollywood...uh...yeah, why don't you just ignore that too and as beautiful as it can be, I'm not going to mention San Francisco either...that place is just
.Oh wait, you wanted gun friendly...and your're already from here. Nevermind.
scurtis_34471
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I like Florida for the following reasons:
1. Florida has some of the most self-defense-friendly laws in the country.
2. Florida is one of most gun-friendly states in the country (Brady F+)
3. The public schools suck, but there are a TON of good, affordable private schools. I pay about $6,000 per year to send my daughter to one of the best schools in my county. Some of the other private schools cost even less.
4. Beautiful weather 8 months out of 12. The other 4 are hot and muggy.
5. Great beaches within driving distance from anywhere.
6. Access to places like Disney, Universal, Sea World and Busch Gardens along with some great Florida Resident discounts.
7. Lots of great outdoors stuff, particularly if you like boating and fishing.
8. NO INCOME TAX. Sales and property taxes are about the same as many other states, but are a LOT lower than CA, NY, NJ, etc. I pay about $1000 per year on my house and the sales tax is 6.5%.
9. The Homestead Act means they can only increase the assessed value of your primary residence by no more than four percent in a given year, so you won't end up taxed out of your home.
10. Realistic speed limits on most roads, as opposed to VERY low speed limits on many roads in the northeast.
1. Florida has some of the most self-defense-friendly laws in the country.
2. Florida is one of most gun-friendly states in the country (Brady F+)
3. The public schools suck, but there are a TON of good, affordable private schools. I pay about $6,000 per year to send my daughter to one of the best schools in my county. Some of the other private schools cost even less.
4. Beautiful weather 8 months out of 12. The other 4 are hot and muggy.
5. Great beaches within driving distance from anywhere.
6. Access to places like Disney, Universal, Sea World and Busch Gardens along with some great Florida Resident discounts.
7. Lots of great outdoors stuff, particularly if you like boating and fishing.
8. NO INCOME TAX. Sales and property taxes are about the same as many other states, but are a LOT lower than CA, NY, NJ, etc. I pay about $1000 per year on my house and the sales tax is 6.5%.
9. The Homestead Act means they can only increase the assessed value of your primary residence by no more than four percent in a given year, so you won't end up taxed out of your home.
10. Realistic speed limits on most roads, as opposed to VERY low speed limits on many roads in the northeast.
cbsbyte
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Since I love New England, and my immediate family still lives in this area, the only states I would consider if things became unworkable for gun owners in Mass, would be Vermont, or New Hampshire.
romma
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What caliber for level 5 hurricanes?
Florida's nice, but crowded in my opinion.
I'm in suburban Kansas and wouldn't trade it for the world now that we have CCW. I just got half a cow for $700 including processing, and it's good beef. I don't even know how many pounds...hundreds. We've got an excellent deer population, plenty of bass/crappie/flathead fishing, the weather is always exciting.
And for the best part...nobody here really cares what you do, namely because there's nobody here. Get fed up with work? Get on the highway and go 80 mph because there's no traffic and head off into the hills. Just enjoy the super-long sunset because we don't have mountains and super tall trees, the natural prarie grasses are so inviting and beautiful. Not to get all mushy or anything.
I'm telling you folks on the busy coasts, you may not know what you're missing out on. The midwest is sparsely populated, the cost of living is low and the rolling hills and rivers are just gorgeous.
I can't imagine a better place to raise children that suburban or rural midwest. Little to no crime, everyone knows each other... just a bunch of good ole folks with good ole families that'll go out of their way to help you when you need it, and you'll do the same for them if they need it.
Do what you want, but I'd say at least come on out and check out the midwest before you move somewhere else. Take an Amtrak, you'll see what I'm talking about.
I'm in suburban Kansas and wouldn't trade it for the world now that we have CCW. I just got half a cow for $700 including processing, and it's good beef. I don't even know how many pounds...hundreds. We've got an excellent deer population, plenty of bass/crappie/flathead fishing, the weather is always exciting.
And for the best part...nobody here really cares what you do, namely because there's nobody here. Get fed up with work? Get on the highway and go 80 mph because there's no traffic and head off into the hills. Just enjoy the super-long sunset because we don't have mountains and super tall trees, the natural prarie grasses are so inviting and beautiful. Not to get all mushy or anything.
I'm telling you folks on the busy coasts, you may not know what you're missing out on. The midwest is sparsely populated, the cost of living is low and the rolling hills and rivers are just gorgeous.
I can't imagine a better place to raise children that suburban or rural midwest. Little to no crime, everyone knows each other... just a bunch of good ole folks with good ole families that'll go out of their way to help you when you need it, and you'll do the same for them if they need it.
Do what you want, but I'd say at least come on out and check out the midwest before you move somewhere else. Take an Amtrak, you'll see what I'm talking about.
Fish Miner
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I count my blessings that I live in Florida- I married a cracker whose family goes back a ways (there is even a Bubba in the tree), There is lots of land to play on(in the middle of the State) the best fishing in the WORLD!
Oh and then there are the college girls Did I mention the Florida Keys? and lots of blondes.... and bikinis... and guns
I love Florida
Oh and then there are the college girls
Did I mention the Florida Keys? and lots of blondes.... and bikinis... and guns I love Florida
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