There is all kinds of 380 ammo available on the Internet.
Look here......
http://www.gunbot.net/ammo/pistol/380acp/
Look here......
http://www.gunbot.net/ammo/pistol/380acp/
100% of the people replying in this thread would not back up their words by taking one for the team to prove a .380 is marginal.
The argument in favor of caliber x that no one would volunteer to be shot by one followed by the rebuttal that "I wouldn't want to shot by a BB, etc., etc." has appeared on countless forums so many times that it loses its potency. First of all, no sane person would volunteer to be shot with any caliber. Secondly, to compare a .380 acp to a BB, a rock, or flung poo is absurd.
This is simply not true.If the bullet can penetrate deep enough to reach vitals, than it will be effective IF you can place it where it needs to go. No amount of tissue damage will increase this effect, any increased hemorrhaging will hardly matter in the short few seconds of a life saving shooting scenario. The only sure incapacitation, time NOW, is to hit the CNS or cardiovascular engine, i.e. the heart.
So you are saying a .380 is the same as a 12 gauge shotgun with buckshot at close range? I mean same penetration, right?From a .22 short to a .500 magnum, caliber simply does not matter for the purposes of self defense against human attackers.
If the bullet can penetrate deep enough to reach vitals, than it will be effective IF you can place it where it needs to go. No amount of tissue damage will increase this effect, any increased hemorrhaging will hardly matter in the short few seconds of a life saving shooting scenario. The only sure incapacitation, time NOW, is to hit the CNS or cardiovascular engine, i.e. the heart.
So yes, .380 is fine for self defense. In fact, realistically speaking, it is of the same "stopping power" (a fictitious term) as any other commonly used self defense cartridge.
From a .22 short to a .500 magnum, caliber simply does not matter for the purposes of self defense against human attackers.
If the bullet can penetrate deep enough to reach vitals, than it will be effective IF you can place it where it needs to go. No amount of tissue damage will increase this effect, any increased hemorrhaging will hardly matter in the short few seconds of a life saving shooting scenario. The only sure incapacitation, time NOW, is to hit the CNS or cardiovascular engine, i.e. the heart.
So yes, .380 is fine for self defense. In fact, realistically speaking, it is of the same "stopping power" (a fictitious term) as any other commonly used self defense cartridge.
Stopping a tank!:banghead::banghead:Get exactly what job done?
Self defense encompasses so much. One assailant? Two? Three?
Night? Day?
Close quarters? Moving?
Shooting back at ya?
Deaf
Speer 90gr JHP,
Shot 1-.625" expansion, 13.8" penetration
Shot 2-NO expansion, 16+" penetration
Shot 3 -.375 expansion, 16+" penetration
Shot 4-NO expansion-clogged,16+"penetration
You are putting your faith in a 'test' by the same people who picked the 10mm, .40 S&W, 9mm, .38 spl., back and forth.I have no problem with 380 in FMJ. Isn't 16 inches the qualifier in the FBI test?
http://rugerpistolforums.com/forums/ammo-cache/11886-380-ammo-ballistic-gel-test.html
The FBI seems to be satisfied with 16" of penetration, is that just to justify the're position?You are putting your faith in a 'test' by the same people who picked the 10mm, .40 S&W, 9mm, .38 spl., back and forth.
Their 'test' is simply to justify their 9mm. When it fails on the street they will just do some more 'test' to justify their next pick.
in reality they are picking the 9mm due to lower cost of weapons, ammo, easier to train recruits and qualify them. This 16 inch of penetration does not take into account many things.
Just wait a few years and they will have more of these 'test' for their next justification.
Deaf
If 380 ball ammo gives you warm fuzzys thats fine I shot way too many small game animals with lead round nose and FMJ 38s to get very much comfort level from the tiny holes left behind.I have no problem with 380 in FMJ. Isn't 16 inches the qualifier in the FBI test?
They also require it to be in conjunction with reliable expansion through their battery of tests.The FBI seems to be satisfied with 16" of penetration
The FBI has been 'satisfied' with alot over the years to justify their positions.The FBI seems to be satisfied with 16" of penetration, is that just to justify the're position?
Their 'test' is simply to justify their 9mm. When it fails on the street they will just do some more 'test' to justify their next pick.
It should be clear to all of us that the .380 is recognized as THE MINIMUM effective defensive handgun caliber for self defense. These people have studied the .380 from every conceivable angle and have come to this conclusion.