Real world experience??? Why were so many carbines ditched in WW2? They would kill a man for sure, but they would not stop him. A hit with the 30 carbine let them fight for a few seconds before they realized they were dead in which time they could shoot, grenade, or stab a man. For defense, negative, and I don’t care if it’s a crackhead stealing your TV, a Japanese soldier on Midway, or a ticked off jealous husband, if somebody is intent on killing you, your firearm had damned well better stop them before they get a chance to kill you back. Your comment to the .357 magnum is a good point, it is favorable when compared to a handgun, but what is the common complaint about stopping effectiveness of a handgun?
Wow, a few people in this thread seem to be misinformed
The M1 Carbine was never intended to be a battle rifle, it was intended as a short range defensive weapon and was and is very effective in that role.
He's responding to the post which says it's "not adequate". It's been shown to be very adequate..
I mentioned here years ago that I wished more rifles were available in .30 Carbine. I love the M1 Carbine but they are all pretty long in the tooth now and it's hard to find a good one. The cartridge is fun to shoot and more than adequate at short range. Here's a quick description of what I wish I could find:
I know that those last three points are going to rub some folks the wrong way, but hear me out. I think it's important to keep the base model simple and civilian-looking for wide acceptance even in states or countries with restrictive laws or among people not interested in black rifles. There is also the reliability of a solid internal box magazine that is easy to load with loose rounds if need be and the handiness of a rifle with no magazine sticking out. You could still have an optional "tacticool" model or aftermarket offerings with a drop-in adapter for M1 Carbine magazines, pistol grip stock, optional threaded barrel etc.
- Semi-automatic carbine (probably gas-operated but other actions possible) chambered in .30 Carbine;
- Lightweight (5 lb or less), simple to operate, affordable;
- Ambidextrous operation (cocking/safety/ejection);
- Synthetic stock similar to a Ruger Mini-14 or 10/22 with rear bar(s)/attach points for carrying across the back plus single-point sling attachment points on either side;
- Iron sights standard: aperture rear sight and fluorescent (optionally tritium) front post, both protected;
- Picatinny rail standard for those that want optics, probably forward ("Scout" position) to keep the action clear;
- 5- or 10-round internal box magazine;
- 5- or 10-round stripper clip loading perhaps using wrap-around clips like the Swiss cardboard-and-steel but in a modern thermoplastic for reuse and long life;
- Barrel not threaded for any muzzle device
The result would be a handy carbine far more powerful, accurate, and user-friendly than any pistol or even an AR for home defense, truck gun, even police use.
Thoughts? I've got my flame-proof undies on!
Cheers,
Matthew
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The M1 Carbine was never intended to be a battle rifle, it was intended as a short range defensive weapon and was and is very effective in that role. While I am sure some soldiers ditched it as a pipsqueak gun, others sought it out even if they were issued something else. .30 Carbine jacketed soft point and jacketed hollow point ammunition is widely available and made by most major manufacturers, see www.ammoseek.com.
I’m of the opinion that the 30 carbine was obsolete before it was created nearly 80 years ago. I don’t really know why people try to hold onto it other than the attraction to the m1 carbine.
What the OP describes sounds a lot like a keltec SU-16 but chambered in 300 blackout.
https://www.keltecweapons.com/firearms/rifles/su16/
With handloads, probably out to about 75 yards.Will .30 Carbine drop a deer? Effectively, or would that be considered inhumane? I'm not going to go try it - just curious as that is a common benchmark for rifle effectiveness.
Will .30 Carbine drop a deer? Effectively, or would that be considered inhumane? I'm not going to go try it - just curious as that is a common benchmark for rifle effectiveness.
A mini garand WOULD be awesome...Call me crazy, but I have always wanted a Mini-14 that had an internal magazine fed by stripper clips or maybe even fed by enbloc's. Eight to ten rounds would be fine and the rifle would be very handy and carry similarly to a lever action, although slightly more porcine. I realize I could just use the five round magazine, but I think a fixed mag could add rounds in the same space.