making a M44 sniper/hunting rifle question

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Is there a way that you could rework the mosin nagant receiver to take detachable magazine like the SVD or the SVT magazine.I thought I might could find a spare trigger/fixed box and use a cutting torch to take out the box magazine part leaving the trigger and trigger guard still standing.But I'm not sure how to make a detachable magazine stay in place and what parts I need to make this work. Please help
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I have a mosin redesign using my m44 to set up as a sniper rifle [lil black beauty] like this one here http://www.surplusrifle.com/reviews/oddsandends3/index.asp
It would have a detachable magazine , SVD threaded flash hider or If I had the cash I would pay for a suppressor,thumb holed stock,bi-pods,bent bolt,two pound trigger.

The reason why I want to do this project is because I can't find a modern bolt action that can shoot 762x54r caliber Savage doesn't make it or the other major firearm manufacturers carry it.
 
Dude, you totally stole my idea from the other thread didn't you. :neener:

Anyway... slap a synthetic stock on her and call it good. No offense meant, but it sounds like you're trying to make it tacticool for the sake of being tacticool. If you want a "sniper rifle" you'd be better off simply buying a Savage or an ATR for $250 or so.

Thumbhole stocks aren't made for the Mosin; the flash hider would require threading the barrel and the front sight would likely be in the way and need to be ground off (this is you, isn't it); a bent bolt is a disadvantage on the Mosin as the straight bolt is much easier to manhandle when needed; the trigger is easy to shim yourself; and (despite my fantasizing) if it were possible to convert a Mosin to mag-fed, it probably would have been done by now.

So, other than "I already own the gun and some ammo" you have pretty much no good reason for any of what you're proposing. The surplus ammo is gone and the domestic stuff costs just as much or more as contemporary US ammo does - when it's even stocked - so even cheapness of ammo isn't a factor.
 
They made Mosin sniper rifles... they looked like this:
russian_m91-30_sniper_full.jpg

I admire your vision. There is something about Mosins that cause the worst kinda of "what if..." thinking when it comes to sportzerizing. Threading the barrel has been done but you'll need a good gunsmith. The bayonet lug and front sight are pretty tough to get off an M44 from what I've heard, that's why I left them on my M44 scout setup. Bent bolts are nothing new and can be obtained easily (google "The Boltman"). Detachable magazine? That one would be tricky and hardly worth the effort. A thumbhole stock would need to be custom made/fit. Alot of people knock the Mosin's accuracy but feats are capable with gunsmithing and handloads. The recent issue of Guns and Ammo: Combat Arms showed a custom Sniper rifle made from a Mosin Nagant action which was competing successfully in a Finnish sniper competition.
 
Actually, I forget if it's Boyds or Richards Microfit, but someone DOES make a Mosin thumbhole stock.
 
Just get a quality Mosin and learn to use the irons. The greatest sniper in the world used a Mosin with iron sights. Besides, the Mosin is already tactical. It fought multiple wars--how much more tactical can you get?

Trying to go from the fixed single stack to a detaching double stack would be tricky, and would require substantial alteration of the design. You'd save money just getting a PSL. I believe the Finns have done some experiments along these lines, but they generally know what they're doing when it comes to Mosins. And shipping it to a Finnish smith for custom work probably isn't an option.
 
You are going to attempt to take a $80 gun, add $400 in parts and work to it, and expect $1,000 results?

...Get a nice Remington or something. You'll be much happier.
 
have you priced them svd svt magazines? why not get the whole svt/avt?

biathlon used service rifles up to 1960 or so. would like to have one of those and the ammo to go with it.
 
Someone was selling a "modern sniper rifle" built from a Mosin Nagant at the last gun show I went to in Puyallup WA. It had a bull barrel, what appeared to be a permanently attached scope mount and a benchrest style stock. It was very interesting, in the same way that a tricked out AMC Pacer would be very interesting. He wanted something like $700 for it.
 
Wow. I read the post, contemplated the project, and was left thinking "lol wut?"

Don't do it. Just buy yourself an already outfitted rifle for what you'd spend in mods and parts.

Also, don't ever expect sniper accuracy from an M44. Not even a minty Polish one. Accurate Mosin-Nagants are 91/30s and anything Finnish.
 
Nope its not online, I checked because I wanted to plug the pic into my post. The Mosin was only mentioned in a caption under its picture. I was wrong it wasn't chambered in 7.62x54R. According to the caption:

In the author's opinion the collest rifle at the match was this custom-built Mosin-Nagant in .300 Win. Mag. Driving 155-grain Scenars, it shot well at 1,000 meters.
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I'm looking at the picture right now: In the picture you can only see the middle of the rifle. The stock is molded to completely enclose the magazine. The scope mount is pretty neat. A bent bolt has been added farther back on the bolt assembly. Directly in front of the bolt one scope ring rests on a base bridging over the bolt, the second rests over the chamber.
 
ReadyontheRight said:
IMHO - You are MUCH better off with stripper clips than with a box magazine - unless the box magazines are inexpensive like the AR-15 or AK-47 clones.
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I would rather a new box magazine (single-stack, too) be created rather than simply try to adapt an SVD mag to the task. These would presumably be cheaper.

Why some magazines (excluding surplus, supply and demand is at work there) are so expensive is absolutely beyond me. Am I honestly expected to drop $30+ on a collection of sheetmetal stampings and a spring? I don't think so.
 
If you want to "sniperize" the M44 without Bubbafying it ...your best bet is to get a scout-mount ;) and leave the rest of the rifle stock. The improvement over iron-sights will be huge. Won't make the rifle a tack-driver, but will allow you to shoot it better than using the irons.


If you're just looking for a cheap way to get some sort of a bolt action rifle that you could use for quick and dirty sniping....I'd just get a Stevens 200 for $267 (it's a pre-accutrigger Savage). Its worst accuracy will beat the M44's best accuracy.
 
There is something about Mosins that cause the worst kinda of "what if..." thinking when it comes to sportzerizing.
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That "something" is the same thing that fueled a lot of Russian weapon development:

Vodka.

:D

In all honesty, if you're looking for a mil-surp that'd take an extended capacity magazine I'd look at the Swiss K-31. It's already got a detachable magazine. Somebody on here a couple years ago floated the idea of making a 20 round mag for them. Seemed like a good idea at the time.
 
Hey, man... If you really want to get this project off the ground, I can help you. Just mail me a check for $20 and I'll send you a 14 ounce spray can of "Turd Polish" and a special cloth... Seriously, though - that project would be money well spent, just like when Gretta Van Susteren got all that plastic surgery. You'd have the rifle equivalent of a stroke victim.

;) All joking aside, M44's are great for project guns. Do as you like (I do!) so long as it makes you happy.
 
I have a friend who modified his M44 with a PU scope from a 91/30. It makes a very handy package. Several people who saw it wanted one as a brush rifle.

I wouldn't poo-poo Mosin accuracy. I've seen a lot of them shoot around 2 MOA, which is more than enough for deer at reasonable ranges. Hell, my M39 can push 1" groups at 100 yds. on a good day.
 
I totally think you should go ahead with your project. the current price of mosins means it is actually affordable to go hack up and frankenstein a gun. there's zillions of those things.. if you're worreid about destroying collector value (good luck on that, maybe in 50 years) dont worry i have plenty and will keep them for posterity.

if i had the skills and tools, i would:

1. shorten 91/30 barrel to 20"
2. make the rifle a bullpup - the grip would be just forward of the magazine. stock would be crinkle coated wood
3. thread barrel and install flash suppressor
4. install harris bipod 6-9.
5. float the barrel
6. dripp and tap receiver top, file it down flat, screw in and weld tight a short 1.5" rail
7. install a mini handgun red dot sight
8. install bent bolt, severely bent (this would mean no surplus, since ejection would be too difficult)
9. weld down a very hard very thick piece of steel over the receiver where the action for safety - if a primer gets pierced i want all the force to be directed out to the right
10. install kick-eez on this metal piece (the metal would be sort of L-shaped).. it woudl become the cheek rest .

i would wind up with a rifle that is probably only good for shooting big jugs at 100 yards, but it would be fun as hell to do.
 
WHY???? It's a good cartrige, but obsolete as no country uses
it as a service rifle. When the milsurp ammo dries up, it will go the
path of other good but obsolete like the British 303. Look how long
it took the 7.62x51 to go from still being used and plentyful to scarce
and very expensive when milsurp dried up. Use it good health, as is.
When ammo can't be found at a reasonable price, make it a piece of
wall hanging history. Use that customised money to buy something else!
that the value will not be an issue to alter it to fit your needs!!!
 
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