I found the 380 double action AMT backup to be an excellent gun. Did not have sights, but I could still hit things at closer ranges with it for me it was not painful to shoot. Always worked, but field stripping required removal of a pin. When carried a bit it collected a lot of pocket lint.Just wondering if we’re discussing vest-pocket pistols for fun, or for actual EDC use?
I’ve owned (past tense) a Bauer .25acp, a NAA Guardian .380acp, and an AMT Backup .380acp. Interesting range guns, and of historical interest. The Bauer wasn’t reliable enough for carry but was a hoot to shoot. The NAA & AMT were a handful to shoot, being .380 blowback and small. Both were interesting but border line painful to shoot for more than a couple of magazines. I still own a couple of Spanish “Ruby style” .25’s that are vest pocket sized, and they are fun range guns, too. They’re actually reliable but I’d never carry them with one in the chamber.
For actual EDC, the Kel Tec P32 (& practically same size LCP & recently discontinued P3AT if you want .380acp) are the most useful; I’ve got a couple of those. The NAA Guardian is a bit smaller, but heavier. I’ve never handled a Seacamp, but from online specs it’s a tad smaller that the Guardian.
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Was the safety on when it discharged. If carried loosely in a pocket I would think that safety could get moved to the off position and the trigger moved.I do. A friend of mine used to carry his Baby in his back pocket in a folded hankie. I carried mine the same way. He was working in the garden with his wife, bent over, and the gun went off. Luckily the only injury was to his jeans. His wife wasnt real happy though, and that wrath was probably worse than getting shot.
I quit carrying mine soon after that, mainly because of that, although, I never had an issue with mine.
Yes, a holster would have been better, but there really wasnt much available for them back in the late 70's, early 80's when we were carrying them and the hankies seemed to work well, other than this.
I went to a P32 after that, and had a lot of trouble with it, and then carried an old Colt pocket gun for a little while, and then picked up my first Seecamp and have yet to find anything better for this sort of gun.
IS why I asked the question. Did he verify a mechanical failure of the mechanism? Did the sear fracture ( tiny sliver of metal) as you were suggesting was possible. If so it was lucky that the gun do not go full auto in pocket.He was working in the garden with his wife, bent over, and the gun went off.
According to him, the safety was on when the gun was put in the pocket. He figured it got knocked off, probably by the hankie while doing physical stuff and that that somehow got into the trigger and tripped it.Was the safety on when it discharged. If carried loosely in a pocket I would think that safety could get moved to the off position and the trigger moved.
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Yes you have two good points about safeties. For a pistol the gun must be in a holster if a safety is not to get knocked off.According to him, the safety was on when the gun was put in the pocket. He figured it got knocked off, probably by the hankie while doing physical stuff and that that somehow got into the trigger and tripped it.
I don't think there was anything mechanically wrong with the gun.
Personally, I just think its another case of relying on a manual safety as if it was something perfect. Holster or not, it happens. I used to find the thumb safety on my 1911's off at the end of the day on a regular basis. The only difference there is, they were in a proper holster.
For autoloading pistols I believe that an empty chamber is very safe that needs to be balanced by the delay needed to chamber a round in a life or death scenario where time is short.
I use a glock with the tau device that allows me to monitor any possible pull on the trigger as I reholster slowly and softly. Most ADs with LEOs and glocks are upon reholstering; most common with the bugger plucker in the trigger, but also a shirt tail or something else could also get wedged in the holster to actuate a trigger. There is the story of a glock in a purse and a tube of lipstick in the trigger guard setting it off.
Personally, I just think its another case of relying on a manual safety as if it was something perfect. Holster or not, it happens. I used to find the thumb safety on my 1911's off at the end of the day on a regular basis. The only difference there is, they were in a proper holster.
What about as mentioned, a sig p238 rosewood inox or colt mustang equivalent?
You have it backwards.
It just needs a striker instead of a DAO trigger.The P32 might not be as pretty or refined as what one would imagine a “vest pocket” gun should be, but it would be pretty hard to beat from a practical perspective.
Why did I just know this thread would go down this rabbit-hole?
"I used to find the thumb safety on my 1911's off at the end of the day on a regular basis." While I can't say this has never happened to me, had it ever been occurring on a regular basis, I certainly would have questioned what I was doing wrong, or carried a 1911 with a safety providing more positive engagement.
As for chamber-empty carry...
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Personally, I just think its another case of relying on a manual safety as if it was something perfect. Holster or not, it happens. I used to find the thumb safety on my 1911's off at the end of the day on a regular basis. The only difference there is, they were in a proper holster.
Ah, you are correct, good sir! I quoted your post -- quoting another -- rather than quoting the original post by the member who made the post you quoted. My bad!I did not say"
You edited my name on to someone else's statement.
How is the recoil on it? The seecamp uses an old trick to slow down a light wt slide:Seecamp 380 for me. 7 rounds of Federal HST as fast as you can pull the trigger. Gun has been flawless over hundreds of rounds. Mine is an original Milford. I also have 2 Milford .32 Seecamps
The manual of arms is easy to master unless you are just plain incapable of practice and learning.
I suggest taking care with reloading since my guess, there is some stretching of the case upon firing.Care & Maintenance - LW Seecamp Co.
http://www.seecamp.com › caremaintenance
The LWS 32 & LWS 380 both have a recessed ring in the chamber into which the case expands on firing, making the weapon a delayed blowback
I don't doubt it. But you'd better do that practicing if you're going to carry a Seecamp. You can't assume that you know how to unload just because you know how to unload other semi-auto pistols. I'm not really sold on the idea of the magazine-out-slide-lock making the gun any safer.The manual of arms is easy to master unless you are just plain incapable of practice and learning.
How is the recoil on it? The seecamp uses an old trick to slow down a light wt slide:
I suggest taking care with reloading since my guess, there is some stretching of the case upon firing.
I don't doubt it. But you'd better do that practicing if you're going to carry a Seecamp. You can't assume that you know how to unload just because you know how to unload other semi-auto pistols. I'm not really sold on the idea of the magazine-out-slide-lock making the gun any safer.