New range rule: give us your DL
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Ledgehammer
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Yea the indoor range I go to holds your dl while you shoot. Here's what happened to me - I go to the range on a busy Saturday, hand the guy my dl then go shoot for about an hour. When I came back he handed me somebody else's license. I said hey this isn't me. He looks around while I stand there. I said I know what you did - you gave my license to whoever this guy is. Took a couple days until the guy who got my license realized it and came back to the range, because the address on the dl wasn't valid anymore.
Its not really a big deal and he gave me a bunch of free passes to make up for it. Just sucked in the mean time
Its not really a big deal and he gave me a bunch of free passes to make up for it. Just sucked in the mean time
Bobson
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Don't make fun of my hat.
k-frame
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Good thing they weren't credit cards. That happend to two business friends of mine when checking into a hotel at the same time. It took them a few weeks to straighten out their expenses.
As for the OP, yep, all the time at two ranges I visit. And once I forgot to collect my DL while distracted by something else in the shop. No big deal, but mildly annoying to have to return the next day.
MikeNice
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I understand that. My point is that much more sensitive information than your DL is compromised daily. You would be amazed at the information banks and hospitals leave open to people making $9 an hour. A dishonest person with a little knowledge could triple their annual salary in a single night.
Handing your DL to the guy at the range is nothing by comparison. That was my point.
I know this won't change any of the minds around here that are so dismissive of personal information security, but that famous tin foil hat organization , the Better Business Bureau, says this:
http://www.bbbonline.org/idtheft/protect.asp
And my point is, taking possession of the DL does NOT give the business any protections than could be done better by other means. It is a poor business practice.
http://www.bbbonline.org/idtheft/protect.asp
And my point is, taking possession of the DL does NOT give the business any protections than could be done better by other means. It is a poor business practice.
AirForceShooter
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Show it , fine
Copy it, sorry no
Hold it, No fraggin way.
AFS
Copy it, sorry no
Hold it, No fraggin way.
AFS
oldfool
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I am amazed at how many people have apparently never rented a car, nor bought a firearm from a gun shop.
much less applied for a CCW permit
(just what is the big deal over temporarily holding it, vs copying it)
five pages of THIS ???
The one comment that I found especially odd was that somebody would be willing to let them hold their credit card, but not a DL. True, if you shop on-line, you do the same every day, but I am still not inclined to pass that flavor of plastic around to just anyone anywhere.
PS
if ever pulled over on the highway by a State Trooper, just offer to show your DL on request, but for god's sake, don't let 'em hold it !
let us know how all that works out
much less applied for a CCW permit
(just what is the big deal over temporarily holding it, vs copying it)
five pages of THIS ???
The one comment that I found especially odd was that somebody would be willing to let them hold their credit card, but not a DL. True, if you shop on-line, you do the same every day, but I am still not inclined to pass that flavor of plastic around to just anyone anywhere.
PS
if ever pulled over on the highway by a State Trooper, just offer to show your DL on request, but for god's sake, don't let 'em hold it !
let us know how all that works out
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I never said hold the credit card, I said SWIPE the credit card. Same as putting down a cash deposit, which is another alternative. IMO, it's a much better business practice than holding a DL because it gives a solid record of who was on the range and at what time in case of accidents, etc. and it gives both the business and the customer much better protections, legally.
If anyone had actually bothered to read the BBB link above, you'd see why the physical DL itself is an attractive target for thieves. Major, major difference between letting someone copy down the information from your DL, or make a photocopy.
One point I did fail to make clear, the victim of identity theft arising from a stolen DL is not necessarily the original owner of the card. It is the CARD ITSELF that is valuable to identity thieves.
You're really making an argument that a uniformed LEO is equivalent to a nineteen year old stranger behind the counter of a shooting range/bar/restaurant? Really? <shakes head and walks away>
If anyone had actually bothered to read the BBB link above, you'd see why the physical DL itself is an attractive target for thieves. Major, major difference between letting someone copy down the information from your DL, or make a photocopy.
One point I did fail to make clear, the victim of identity theft arising from a stolen DL is not necessarily the original owner of the card. It is the CARD ITSELF that is valuable to identity thieves.
You're really making an argument that a uniformed LEO is equivalent to a nineteen year old stranger behind the counter of a shooting range/bar/restaurant? Really? <shakes head and walks away>
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ny32182
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The indoor range here holds your DL to make sure you don't take off without paying afterward.
BSA1
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Whew! I am a long time lurker and occasional poster. This is the second thread in the last two days that has involved name calling. As such it is useless to try to post anything meaningful, such as the gunshop owners point of view.
merlinfire
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Its really not about the information or privacy, imo. It's not a matter of "nothing to hide", as all the info on the DL could not be realistically hidden from someone that wanted to know. It's about the principle of the thing.
Ally
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I won't go so far as to call people whiny, but I also don't see what the problem is either, with the range holding onto your DL while you're shooting. It ensures everyone pays for their range time, targets, rentals, etc. before walking out. And it also quickly identifies, at-a-glance, who's on the line, which I think is a good thing to know.
I don't feel my privacy is being invaded at all. It's a policy that makes common sense to me.
mgmorden
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If you can't justify any principle point by point on merits other than "Just because." then I'd question the validity of said principle in the first place.
langenc
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I believe there are two ideas going here.
First surrendering your DL..
second surrendering a copy or look at the DL..
In my opinion and several other posters-a BIG difference.
Sounds like some communities have scoundrels that dont pay-steal. Why not take the credit card??
In this state the gas sellers have posted, If you drive off and not pay you can loose your drivers license-you dont surrender it to pump. I dont know why gas stations are priveleged when it comes to 'shop lifting'??
First surrendering your DL..
second surrendering a copy or look at the DL..
In my opinion and several other posters-a BIG difference.
Sounds like some communities have scoundrels that dont pay-steal. Why not take the credit card??
In this state the gas sellers have posted, If you drive off and not pay you can loose your drivers license-you dont surrender it to pump. I dont know why gas stations are priveleged when it comes to 'shop lifting'??
mgmorden
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That's a law that has been rendered moot in almost every locale as I haven't seen a gas station that didn't require pre-payment in about 10 years.
azmjs
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Scottsdale Gun Club takes your membership card and your DL when you use the range, gives them back when you check out.
leadaddict
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You should visit rural Iowa sometime! Most don't require prepay.
oneounceload
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And just how many of the worry wart tin foil hat folks have had ANYTHING done to them by leaving their DL with the range?
WAY too much paranoia.......yet again on another thread
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GET A GRIP FOLKS - THE WORLD IS NOT OUT TO GET YOU
WAY too much paranoia.......yet again on another thread
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GET A GRIP FOLKS - THE WORLD IS NOT OUT TO GET YOU
LibShooter
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We had one member who had his license handed to the wrong guy. That's a pain. Another had his military ID lost. That has probably happened with DLs. About half the posters in this thread do or would find it very annoying to hand over their licenses. All those are bad enough.
It's not just about tinfoil topped paranoia. It's about making your customers angry for a dubious benefit. That's bad business.
oneounceload
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Who said I did or didn't? There ya go....ASSuming ............
Just what do you think they are going to do with your DL? Plot to go to your home and steal stuff?
Buy a mountain top then
Just what do you think they are going to do with your DL? Plot to go to your home and steal stuff?
Buy a mountain top then
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