NJ disease tries to spread

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They did this meeting in my town. I wish I would have known about it. I could have went down and made my own stink. At least it was near the water so I wouldn't look weird showing up with waders on. Not for the water but for the bull *hit.
 
It NEVER ends.
Unless I'm misinformed, a Jersey resident cannot LEGEALY purchase a handgun in PA unless the purchase is forwarded to a Jersey FFL.
As for long guns the PA state AND Federal backround checks are required.
Don't have a clue as to where the NJ beaurocrats get the idea that PA guns are flooding the Garden State.
It's the same ole' story.
There is a crime problem BECAUSE the justice system refuses to deal with the criminal element.
How often do you hear about a perp arrested who has 25 or 30 priors.
Best part is, the perp is less than 30 years old.
 
Really? So the guns I've bought in Cabela's were sold to me illegally? Oh NO!

I think the reference is to handguns...long guns can be bought (as long as they are NJ legal that is).

I still remember the day I left NJ for PA, second day with my "new" PA issue drivers license (took a whole 15 minutes), I bought a 1911, third day I was in the courthouse applying for my LTCF....a month later I had my carry permit...the rest is history.

Oh and for the record, most of us wish people from NJ and NY would stay out of PA, period. We dont want them here at all, let alone to buy guns.

While I agree to a point, but all NJ/NY gunnies are welcome!:D There is a trend of NJ and NY folks moving here and bringing the NJ/NY politics with them. The reason PA is cheap to live in and nicer (small towns) is because it is NOT like NJ or NY...if you want life and all the big town services like "back in NJ" please just go back.
 
2 week waiting period my foot.

It generally takes 3-4 months to issue a FID, and has gone as long as 18 months.

Pistol purchase permits take 30-45 days.

What a crock.
 
Pistol purchase permits take 30-45 days.

My brother (Mt Holly area) just took 9 weeks for a pistol permit....shortest time I had was in the early 90's....took 5 weeks for a pistol permit.

I recently found my old NJ Rifle and Shotgun permit, I giggled and thumbtacked it to my corkboard on my reloading bench as a constant reminder of why I moved.:D
 
I must live in the exception town when it comes to getting a pistol permit. I average 14 days from the time I drop off the paperwork to when I pick it up. I have recieved it back in 10 days once. My town does a good job when it comes taking care of gun owners. I have heard some horror stories from other Municipalities. One day I will move to a free State.
 
who cares how long it takes to get a permit in NJ, we all know how horrible they are over the river, I just dont want them effecting anyone over their borders.
 
"Really? So the guns I've bought in Cabela's were sold to me illegally? Oh NO! "

So, you're saying you went to Cabelas in PA, showed them a NJ ID, and bought a cartridge firing rifle, or shell firing shotgun?
 
If I wanted to (which I don't), I could hop in the car right now, drive to PA (which would take a while) and buy a gun within an hour after I got there, with no paperwork other than the green paperwork I'd hand the seller. I'm not saying that's right or wrong, I'm just stating it as a fact. PA is a state with a lot of rural area. It's an excellent place to hunt Deer, Elk, black bear, snipe or whatever. Also, it has one of the highest percentages of people carrying of any state in the union. There are a lot of guns there, which is part of the lifestyle and culture that makes PA what it is.

I'm not sure all these criminals from NJ are buying their gear at Cabela's. Probably they're doing Face to face transactions with people they know or have business relationships with. Which are unlikely to become any more complicated for them as a result of any paperwork requirements.
 
We'll keep the shore, and you can keep all those seedy Pocono motels, and Philadelphia.

Last time I looked at the NJ shore, I was hit with the urgent impulse to not go in that water. I know what is in there and it ain't "JAWS".

Watching the morning clean up crews with those funny machines on the back of their tractors was not too pleasing either.

Man, what we do to the ecology. And the tree huggers are right there, along side of us.

OH, back to topic, it is the criminals! Not the guns.

Jerry
 
To clear some things up:

NJ residents, with FIDS in good order, can purchase long guns out of state from an FFL, who will observe 3 sets of laws: Federal, state of purchase, and state of purchaser's residency.

I've done it myself when I was an NJ resident, in full accordance with Federal, NJ & PA law.

NJ residents will NOT be able to legally buy any handgun, or any long gun prohibited or regulated by NJ. NJ residents can NOT legally take part in any interstate transaction not involving an FFL.
 
Thanks for clearing that up, Geek. Looks like I was wrong. There was a time when you couldn't bring a gun into NJ from out of state. That was 25 years ago, so I assumed it was still illegal in NJ. Everything else is.

Jerry, it sounds like you've been to Ocean City, or AC. Try Avalon or Stone Harbor for clean beaches. As far as I know, medical waste floating down from New York isn't a problem any more. Yuk.

As far as how long it takes to get a permit or FID card, it depends on the town you live in. The ultimate decision as to how long it takes, or whether you get one at all, is up to your Chief of Police. It has taken me as little as a week (Maple Shade, NJ), and as long as 6 months (Moorestown, NJ, right next door to Maple Shade). Ironic, ain't it?
 
Wow. Lots of negativity toward the writers of some of the replies. I thought this was the HIGH Road where we don't attack the writer but, instead, reply (with respect) to their comments.

"Oh and for the record, most of us wish people from NJ and NY would stay out of PA, period. We dont want them here at all,........" Bad comment.

I agree with some commenters that New J., & N.Y. should look to themselves and prosecute their own criminals rather than blaming other states. Someone said that they act like a three-yr.-old and I fully agree.
 
I would have no problem passing a law in PA forbidding us from selling to NJ residents, if something simple will keep that state off our backs, great. Heck, pass the same thing from NYC residents and maybe shut up their politicians a little bit as well. There are plenty of gun stores in NJ and they can always have something transfered into a local store from another state if need be.

Sure guns could still make their way into jersey, but unless Jersey closes their borders nothing will stop that. I fail to see how it is anyone's fault other than NJ government, its their state, if they want to keep something out, its their responsibility, not the rest of the worlds...they sound like the UN
 
"There are plenty of gun stores in NJ"

Not any more. There used to be half a dozen, or so, within 15 or 20 minutes from my house. All gone, along with both shooting ranges I used to go to.
 
"There are plenty of gun stores in NJ"

Not any more. There used to be half a dozen, or so, within 15 or 20 minutes from my house. All gone, along with both shooting ranges I used to go to.

I really dont mean to be rude when I say this, although I dont know how else one could take it. NJ's lack of gun stores isnt PA's problem, our problem is making sure NJ's politicians dont destroy our way of life in an attempt to mirror their own. Maybe if PA stopped selling to NJ residents it would help open a few FFL's back up?
 
MinnMooney said:
"Oh and for the record, most of us wish people from NJ and NY would stay out of PA, period. We dont want them here at all,........" Bad comment.

It might have been a bad comment, but the fact of the matter is, a lot of us here in PA feel that way about NJ residents in general, as well as those of NYC. Those people are typically rude, pushy, and arrogant. They are unsafe on the roads, in the wood with their rifles and shotguns, and when a lot of them move here, they bring their problems with them. My parents still live in the Poconos, and the crime rate has gone into orbit thanks to the out of staters from those two places.

Don't get me wrong. I have a lot of friends in both states, but in general, this type of behavior has caused the prevailing attitude here in PA towards those residents of NJ. I posted this news article over on PAFOA and you should see the comments going on over there! :eek:
 
novaDAK said:
NY blames VA, NJ blames PA. They aren't focusing on the real problem: THEIR criminals
All too true, but it's unlikely we'll convince them of that. We'll just have to remind our brethren in PA to remain more vigilant against gun-grabber legislation.

They don't appear to say HOW these guns were obtained in PA, though. For example, many (most?) of them could be stolen, rather than straw purchases. That would be logical, as PA abuts NY to the north and MD to the south. The NJ crminals probably won't find a lot of choice handguns in either of those places. So if you wanted to steal tires, would you go to a place that didn't have tires? If you wanted to steal a car, would you go to an Amish farm?

As noted, the problem isn't that PA allows its citizens to exercise their rights. I think PA residents should arise en masse and start protesting the fact that NJ is exporting crime into the Keystone State. Seal the borders. If there weren't so many criminals coming into PA from Camden, Philadelphia's and PA's crime rate would obviously be much lower.
 
It might have been a bad comment, but the fact of the matter is, a lot of us here in PA feel that way about NJ residents in general, as well as those of NYC. Those people are typically rude, pushy, and arrogant. They are unsafe on the roads, in the wood with their rifles and shotguns, and when a lot of them move here, they bring their problems with them.

PennsyPlinker, you are a fine example of a High Roader. It surprises me that the mods have let that comment fly out there as long as it has. I've lived half my life in Pa and the other in NJ. Each state has its full compliment of arses. Me thinks you talk through yours.
 
Antipasta, I am only writing of what I have observed growing up in PA, watching people from NY and NJ and how they treat those of us who live here. And if you are going to get on your high horse about high road, perhaps you should stop talking out of your own nether region. You are quite the sanctimonious person in decrying my words, but what of your own?

I won't waste any more of my time trying to document my personal experiences like hiding behind rocks during hunting season while people with Joisey accents run and shoot at the same time, or being run off the road numerous time by people with Jersey plates on their cars. I don't think you would even give it consideration. But then again, you just admitted to being from Jersey.
 
I live in Virginia. I'm sure everyone knows the crap Bloomberg tried to pull with gun shops here. My question to New York and New Jersey is this. Why don't you keep your drugs out of my backyard and keep your noses in your own?
 
The problem the NJ prosecutors have with PA isn't NJ people buying guns in PA (as has already been discussed, as an NJ resident, you still need an FID to buy long guns in PA, and you can't buy handguns unless transferred through an NJ FFL) - so there's really no difference in an NJ resident (legally) purchasing firearms in PA or buying them in NJ (though don't tell that to the idiot politician shown in the papers holding up a semi-auto .223, declaring that this kind of "assault weapon", purchased in PA, can't be purchased in NJ... he obviously hasn't visited any NJ gun shops)

The problem, again, through the eyes of the NJ prosecutors/politicians, is that PA makes it too easy for PA residents to purchase firearms, and then in turn sell them illegally to NJ residents (ie. criminals). They want a permitting process in PA similar to what NJ has. Supposedly, if you're a nefarious individual, intent on selling guns illegally, you won't want to take the time/effort to "register" yourself with the state (in the form of an FID card).

Of course, there wouldn't be anything to stop such an individual from obtaining one to begin with, since said individual can obviously pass the PICS check when he buys the guns in the first place, so I'm not sure of their logic there.

And as for handguns, it's my understanding that the PASP maintains a registry of handgun purchases (one of those defacto-registration deals). Soooo.... if that's the case, and a handgun turns up in a crime here in NJ, why can't they simply trace the sale of that back to the original PA purchaser, and go after him?

It's the same non-sensical argument that's being used here in NJ to put forth a one-handgun-a-month law. CLEO's (particularly the Jersey City Chief) claim that too many people are buying many handguns at once, and are then selling them illegally and their officers are encountering them on the streets. Well, since the NJSP has a record of every (legal) handgun transaction that occurs in NJ, how hard is it to track said illegal gun back to the last known legal owner, and take him to task for it?

My God man, that would almost be real police work :eek: - far too difficult. It's much easier to punish everyone equally. Next, instead of enforcing traffic laws, we'll just prohibit everyone from owning vehicles. THAT will cut down on the number of traffic accidents, alright.
 
Thank God,I live in Nebraska. I wish it was outside of the mandatory handgun registration part of Omaha, but,outside of Omaha,All you need is a $5.00 buyers card or get checked by NCIS and take your firearm home. Rich642z,Omaha,Ne.:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:
 
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