Vern Humphrey
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How many times have you heard someone say, "Sure as other means of self defense?"
Are you saying a pizza place has a right to refuse to cater a gay wedding?
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How many times have you heard someone say, "Sure as other means of self defense?"
Blade First
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"Confused? Not hardly. Just a believer in private property rights. My place, my rules. Don't like them, then go elsewhere - what is so hard for YOU to comprehend?"
Please go back and actually read my earlier remarks. On this point, we agree. I will run my businesses as I see fit; if you don't like my business practices, don't do business with me.
My problem is with government edict in contravention of the Constitution. Our country [the greatest the world has ever known] cannot survive without the rule of law. Government diktat to the contrary is oppressive and illegal.
It is literally...and legally...that simple.
Please go back and actually read my earlier remarks. On this point, we agree. I will run my businesses as I see fit; if you don't like my business practices, don't do business with me.
My problem is with government edict in contravention of the Constitution. Our country [the greatest the world has ever known] cannot survive without the rule of law. Government diktat to the contrary is oppressive and illegal.
It is literally...and legally...that simple.
I just got back from Costco. They have a sign next to the entrance that say "Firearms prohibited on the premises". I had my Tomcat in my pocket and carried past it. It doesn't meet Tennessee's signage requirements for a legal posting. The worst that can possibly happen is I get asked to leave. I'm fine with that. In fact, couldn't care less.
Officers'Wife
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On every building of IVH (Indiana Veterans Home) there is a sign on the door saying no weapons of any kind. That includes the Lincoln building which is a residence hall and the duplexes. (independent living areas) I've always thought it a bit ironic that a place that exists solely for the honorably discharged veteran disarms them as a condition of those services.
I would not ignore a 30.06 sign and risk a felony charge & conviction, loss of ownership of guns, means of self defense, probable loss of percentage of investment in gun collection, legal costs, marital fallout, and loss of my license to perform my previous line of work, just to prove a point. What is the term? Cutting off your nose to spite your face?
Blade First
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"I just got back from Costco. They have a sign next to the entrance that say "Firearms prohibited on the premises". I had my Tomcat in my pocket and carried past it. It doesn't meet Tennessee's signage requirements for a legal posting. The worst that can possibly happen is I get asked to leave. I'm fine with that. In fact, couldn't care less."
I live close to a new Costco in my town and will never give it my business. In fact, here's a message for their chicken-squat lawyers and cowardly execs:
There are companies that appreciate my inherent rights and my business. You don't...add to it your incredibly disruptive traffic problems and the simple conclusion is that my business will always go to other companies.
You're a loser, and you'll never get a penny of my business until you change your misguided, unconstitutional corporate policy.
I live close to a new Costco in my town and will never give it my business. In fact, here's a message for their chicken-squat lawyers and cowardly execs:
There are companies that appreciate my inherent rights and my business. You don't...add to it your incredibly disruptive traffic problems and the simple conclusion is that my business will always go to other companies.
You're a loser, and you'll never get a penny of my business until you change your misguided, unconstitutional corporate policy.
I just got back from Costco North Phoenix, AZ. Went with a friend. I mentioned on the way there that they wouldn't welcome me but he assured me those signs are gone. Don't know when they removed them but he was right. "Firearms prohibited on the premises" signs are gone.
Maybe it's just Arizona or maybe just this store but they share a parking lot with Sportsman's Warehouse and maybe they have had a lot of comments from potential customers. It's always good to let the management know why you don't shop there.
Maybe it's just Arizona or maybe just this store but they share a parking lot with Sportsman's Warehouse and maybe they have had a lot of comments from potential customers. It's always good to let the management know why you don't shop there.
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RetiredUSNChief
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About the Post Office...a federal court determined that it is legal to carry a firearm in the parking lot of the Post Office back in 2013.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/11/us/guns-post-office/
You still cannot carry inside Post Office buildings, however.
There is an Asian grocery store near me (presumably Asian owned) with a sign reading, "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone." I wonder what their intent is; what type of person or behavior they would want to exclude from their business. Maybe I'll ask. Whether it's legal, that's another issue. I rather doubt it.
FROGO207
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Our local medical clinic has a "no weapons allowed" sign at the door. So I went in and asked what that meant. They said "it means what it says". I say "What???". So I say that my keys, watch, glasses, and pen can't be brought in?? They say those are OK. I say "well they ARE weapons so you are not being consistent".
Then I mentioned that my sharp wit will be left behind as well. They were kind of exasperated with me at that point.
The other thing is that to pay my taxes to the Federal Government and use paper/mail I have to go to the Federal Court House to get the formerly mailed forms. I have to pass through the metal detector to walk into the hallway that can be seen from the detector to retrieve the paperwork.:banghead: No one will walk the 20 or so steps and save me the hassle of disarming and emptying my pockets etc to get paperwork that is required by law. No I do not use the net to do such things as it is less secure than paper/mail IMHO. No I do not own a printer to download that which should be provided for no additional cost.
Rant off.
It seems common sense and courtesy have been thrown out the window and replaced with "political correctness".
Then I mentioned that my sharp wit will be left behind as well. They were kind of exasperated with me at that point.The other thing is that to pay my taxes to the Federal Government and use paper/mail I have to go to the Federal Court House to get the formerly mailed forms. I have to pass through the metal detector to walk into the hallway that can be seen from the detector to retrieve the paperwork.:banghead: No one will walk the 20 or so steps and save me the hassle of disarming and emptying my pockets etc to get paperwork that is required by law. No I do not use the net to do such things as it is less secure than paper/mail IMHO. No I do not own a printer to download that which should be provided for no additional cost.
Rant off.
It seems common sense and courtesy have been thrown out the window and replaced with "political correctness".we are not amused
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Thanks! That is good to know. I remember during my concealed carry class, that the issue came up. (this was prior to the Judge's ruling)
Now if we could just get the ban on Federal buildings lifted!
USAF_Vet
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Sounds like many a Facebook rant, and as such is full of false bravado and chest thumping. But here in the real world, people generally follow the rules, even the ones we don't like. Instead of puffing up like a rooster in opposition to a bad law, we work to get them changed by using the processes in place.
By defying outright these tyrannical government abuses, we invite something far worse than temporary disarmament. I like to call it prison, and it's a place I'd rather not go.
It's a pretty far stretch to link obeying federal law to accepting anything our overlords can impose.
HankB
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A compliant Texas PC30.06 sign has the force of law behind it so I agree with you in its observance, but if you re-read that actual section of the penal code you'll find violation is a Class A misdemeanor, not a felony.jlr1962 said:
But I wouldn't want a Class A misdemeanor on my record, either - so I won't ignore a valid PC30.06 sign.
I don't consider myself bound by non-compliant PC30.06 or other "no weapon" signs that aren't backed up by force of law.
Crayfish
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I too will honor private property owners rights and go somewhere else but, I have been in establishments without knowing it as I don't normally scan for signs. Most businesses make it very prominent if they want that. Good thing is I only see them on the hospital here locally except for the normal places (federal, jail building, etc). I actually asked the guy at the gun booth at the front of Cabelas if the "check your gun" signs applied to CCW and he said no. Open carry (handguns) and concealed are fine as long as you don't plan to unholster like with a trade in or fitting a holster type of stuff. Open carry here is getting more common as well.
A class A misdemeanor conviction would have the same impact on my life for the most part. Not sure about gun possession, but CHL is out.
I would respect the wishes of a business or property owner even with half-ass signage. I may or may not spend my time or money on their property though. Depends on the situation.
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scaatylobo
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Rights v/s RIGHTS
I see the 'right' of any property owner as total = UNLESS it has any effect on my RIGHT to stay alive.
That 'RIGHT" goes far and above the right of anyone to bar me my RIGHT to stay alive.
That is the simple facts for me,I do not tell anyone to do as I do.
But unless there is a search at the door,or a magnetometer = I am NOT armed !.
And having CCW'ed for about 40 years,I am pretty sure I cover up well.
IF that ever becomes a REAL issue [ I need to defend myself ] then I do believe in "better to be tried by twelve etc".
I carry CCW insurance from 2 different companys and I pray I never need to find out how well that will work out.
I was a cop,and I have been to court hundreds of time so I know full well the outcome of a good shoot.
I have no illusions as to the cameras in your face and in your familys face,as well as all the interviews that will ensue .
If you don't see being able to defend yourself as THAT important = do as you will.
I assure you,I will too.
I see the 'right' of any property owner as total = UNLESS it has any effect on my RIGHT to stay alive.
That 'RIGHT" goes far and above the right of anyone to bar me my RIGHT to stay alive.
That is the simple facts for me,I do not tell anyone to do as I do.
But unless there is a search at the door,or a magnetometer = I am NOT armed !.
And having CCW'ed for about 40 years,I am pretty sure I cover up well.
IF that ever becomes a REAL issue [ I need to defend myself ] then I do believe in "better to be tried by twelve etc".
I carry CCW insurance from 2 different companys and I pray I never need to find out how well that will work out.
I was a cop,and I have been to court hundreds of time so I know full well the outcome of a good shoot.
I have no illusions as to the cameras in your face and in your familys face,as well as all the interviews that will ensue .
If you don't see being able to defend yourself as THAT important = do as you will.
I assure you,I will too.
So, are you saying you have knowingly walked into a legit "no gun" zone carrying a gun as a civilian?
ConstitutionCowboy
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Here in Oklahoma, if it isn't one of those specifically 'prohibited' buildings, I carry it in because it isn't against the law. You can be asked to leave, of course, and arrested for trespassing if you don't leave when asked.
Otherwise, if I walk up to a place with a no guns sign, if I return to the car, it is to leave. It's a sure sign to thieves if you return to your vehicle and head right back to the establishment that you most likely just dropped off a weapon, and it is ripe for the picking.
Woody
Otherwise, if I walk up to a place with a no guns sign, if I return to the car, it is to leave. It's a sure sign to thieves if you return to your vehicle and head right back to the establishment that you most likely just dropped off a weapon, and it is ripe for the picking.
Woody
I hear ya cowboy. There is a trend in Dallas these days where women leave their purse in the car outside of upscale establishments, and the thieves will break Windows and steal their purse.
Scattylobo, I think former cops in good standing should have a free pass to carry EVERYWHERE, as long as they still have their wits about them.
Scattylobo, I think former cops in good standing should have a free pass to carry EVERYWHERE, as long as they still have their wits about them.
HankB
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Here's a thought . . .
It's common knowledge in TX that a business open to the public wanting to prohibit licensed concealed carry has to post a sign compliant with PC30.06.
I have reason to believe that some businesses are deliberately posting NON-compliant signs to placate their more hoplophobic customers without actually placing their establishments off limits to legally armed cognoscenti.
It's common knowledge in TX that a business open to the public wanting to prohibit licensed concealed carry has to post a sign compliant with PC30.06.
I have reason to believe that some businesses are deliberately posting NON-compliant signs to placate their more hoplophobic customers without actually placing their establishments off limits to legally armed cognoscenti.
coyotehitman
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I get so sick of hearing this BS. Good for you! You da man!
Why so many of these "how to handle signage while carrying" posts? It is plain and simple really: Abide by the signs or face the consequences.
Red Wind
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Blade First said:
I could not agree more. The Costco executives in Kirkland,Washington are brain dead Socialists. An absolutely horrific, Stalinist mindset.
I spend my money at BJ's Warehouse, where a no gun sign is never to be seen. At least not in South Florida.
Old Dog
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Funny, I've never seen any "no guns" signs in my local Washington state Costco stores ...
Blade First
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"Sounds like many a Facebook rant, and as such is full of false bravado and chest thumping." - USAF_Vet
I don't use the social media...they are full of false bravado and chest thumping...or so I've been told.
"But here in the real world, people generally follow the rules, even the ones we don't like."
You live in Michigan, sir, where entire communities are subject to Sharia law, and where a once-proud city [one of the largest in the country] is bankrupt; and with large portions of it in abject ruins. That may be your real world but it isn't mine...thank God.
"Instead of puffing up like a rooster in opposition to a bad law, we work to get them changed by using the processes in place."
You've done a remarkable job for a clutch of hens. Fortunately, the roosters here in Tennessee still have their spurs and know how to use them.
"By defying outright these tyrannical government abuses, we invite something far worse than temporary disarmament."
You're a veteran [thank you for your service]...do you use the VA for your medical care?
"I like to call it prison, and it's a place I'd rather not go."
Incarceration comes in many forms...just ask the U.S Judicial Dept.
"It's a pretty far stretch to link obeying federal law to accepting anything our overlords can impose."
You must have been asleep for the last six years.
I'll leave you with this quote which Douglas MacArthur wrongly attributed to Lincoln:
"To sin by silence, when they should protest, makes cowards of men." - Ella Wheeler Wilcox
I don't use the social media...they are full of false bravado and chest thumping...or so I've been told.
"But here in the real world, people generally follow the rules, even the ones we don't like."
You live in Michigan, sir, where entire communities are subject to Sharia law, and where a once-proud city [one of the largest in the country] is bankrupt; and with large portions of it in abject ruins. That may be your real world but it isn't mine...thank God.
"Instead of puffing up like a rooster in opposition to a bad law, we work to get them changed by using the processes in place."
You've done a remarkable job for a clutch of hens. Fortunately, the roosters here in Tennessee still have their spurs and know how to use them.
"By defying outright these tyrannical government abuses, we invite something far worse than temporary disarmament."
You're a veteran [thank you for your service]...do you use the VA for your medical care?
"I like to call it prison, and it's a place I'd rather not go."
Incarceration comes in many forms...just ask the U.S Judicial Dept.
"It's a pretty far stretch to link obeying federal law to accepting anything our overlords can impose."
You must have been asleep for the last six years.
I'll leave you with this quote which Douglas MacArthur wrongly attributed to Lincoln:
"To sin by silence, when they should protest, makes cowards of men." - Ella Wheeler Wilcox
oneounceload
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REALLY? Why is that? Is there some form of automatic assumption that because someone WAS a cop at one time they get a free pass? Are you one of those screaming about your 2A rights? (except for certain folks like judges, politicians, movie stars, and now former LEOs?)
Should those former LEOs also be allowed to carry in gov't buildings, airports, on planes etc. as well?
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