NY State Pistol Permit Holder List Released

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I just opened the As off the new list, works fine for me :cuss:

Didn't some news paper in Memphis do the same thing last year, causing the Tennessee state legislature to consider a bill making the information confidential? I don't know the outcome of the bill. Any Vols. here know what happened?
Bills to close the HCP records failed in the last two legislative sessions. I don't have a problem with someone going to the Dept. of Safety, paying the $80 fee and getting the list. I do have a problem with it being publicized or made into a searchable database on a website by a newspaper etc. and made available to anyone for free.

In response to complaints, the Commercial Appeal at least took addresses and dates of birth off the records.
 
"A citizen has a right to know if his child has a playdate in the home of a pistol owner..."

First things first. Let me thank you for posting the article. I wonder if Peter Hamm would rather have his kids have a "playdate" with someone who HASN'T been fingerprinted and checked out by the FBI, as well as the local Sheriff's Office and State Police? I know my answer.

This is my first post. Joined a few minutes ago, so please bear with me.

I first heard about this invasion of our privacy while on Free Republic and notified all my friends (gunowners) immediately about what was about to break. The following morning we went into action and contacted the Sheriff, gunshops, shooting buddies etc and much to my regret, The Daily Star in Oneonta, NY. They knew nothing of the story and promised to look into it.

I was then contacted via email by the alleged reporter Denise Richardson asking me for an interview. I said yes, but she must promise me NOT to print the website address. She said she couldn't do that and she would print whatever she wanted to. Okay, end of interview I said. She is clearly a liberal anti-gun yuppie-age clueless individual. I asked her if she thought it would be responsible journalism to print or give access to the names and home addresses of police officers, judges, Physicians or even reporters? She said she didn't have a problem with that. I asked her if she had heard about how 500 irate SEIU members invaded the property of a guy just because he worked for Bank of America. She had no clue what I was talking about. Some "news" person, huh? I pointed out that giving the address to the site in question would put gunowners families and children at danger. No response. I made reference to other newspapers that have done the same thing in their states and how it backfired on them because within a few days their home addresses were posted on the internet. She then accused me of invading her privacy if I did such a thing. I then sent her and her editor the following email:
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Ms. Richardson,

Perhaps you did not see my point during our conversation. By printing the website address in question, you would only be providing crooks and kooks with a list of people that own firearms, as well as a virtual roadmap to the home of every Police Officer, Lawyer, Judge, Physician and those protected from irate persons under restraining orders.

I simply cannot express my thoughts any simpler. I question why you can't see the potential dangers of printing the website address unless it is controversy and endangering the lives and property of innocent citizens that you seek.

The owner of the site has gone to great lengths to keep himself/herself anonymous. If you do decide to publish the address in your story, then I believe that the Daily Star and the article's author will be quickly labeled as aligning themselves with and enabling the local criminal element, all for a story that is no longer 'Breaking News'.

There is a line, a point in every responsible journalist's career that they are faced with the tough question "am I doing the right thing". Do the right thing, Denise. Put your own beliefs aside and do the right thing.

I am much more well-versed and educated in the matters of gun control and gun rights than you and have many good points to make that would elevate the credibility of your article to more than just another 'scoop'. I offered these under the pretext that you would avoid publishing the website address and you denied my request. Our conversation continued to become more heated as time passed, again due to your reluctance to grant not only myself, but the entire community of gun-owners our due anonymity.

As I indicated to you in our conversation multiple times, other papers that chose to recklessly print names or give access to names of local gun-owners have had their own addresses published via internet. Those newspapers and employees cried foul and that that was a violation of their own privacy, yet they provided like information on gun owners. Your privacy is not any more valuable than ours and the arrogance of anyone thinking so is absurd by all standards of common sense and decency.

I strongly advise you to avoid printing one word of our conversation, especially my name, xxxx xxxxx. If you wish to conduct an interview in a civil manner and with an open mind to obvious and documented facts, then we can talk. If not, then again, DO NOT MENTION MY NAME, QUOTE ME OR MAKE REFERENCE TO ME IN ANY FORM!

signed....
(timbercutter)


The article seems to written out of spite because I questioned her intelligence about gun issues and her lack of journalistic ethics.

I will begin today to compile a list of home addresses for every employee at the Daily Star. It is public information, afterall. It's amazing how easy this task is using the resources of the internet. If they wish to sue me, then so be it. The Daily Star has opened a can of worms and it will be, as I indicated in my letter to her, detrimental to the reputation of their paper. No violence is implied or suggested by my statement. Perhaps 500 peaceful local gunowners with signs in front of her house and/or the Daily Star offices might wake her and her handlers up?

Just a thought.....
 
Your privacy is not any more valuable than ours and the arrogance of anyone thinking so is absurd by all standards of common sense and decency...I will begin today to compile a list of home addresses for every employee at the Daily Star. It is public information, afterall.

timbercutter:

Allow me the very great pleasure of being the first to welcome you to THR (if I can type fast enough to beat everyone else to it!).

Bravo sir!
 
Hmm, cool. Now if we're ever under threat of invasion, anyone in the world gets a free list of whose doors to go knock on to seize firearms. Good thinking.
 
I don't have a problem with someone going to the Dept. of Safety, paying the $80 fee and getting the list. I do have a problem with it being publicized or made into a searchable database on a website by a newspaper etc. and made available to anyone for free.

i would disagree big time its either one or the other private or public. In my humble opinion it should be private. i have been emailing everyone i can think of that can help make that happen.
 
Are all the addresses of every police officer and judge on that document?

If not, at least all the police officer's names should be, as they have guns, in fact some have full auto's! ;)

As for "knowing" who does and who does NOT have a gun or guns, there may be many people who actually have guns whose names are not on that list!

Do you think criminals, punks, hoodlems, felons, etc. advertise the fact that they may be packing?
 
My wife handles Severe injury, and Fraud Workmen's Compensation cases.

At her last company 2 different people with jailed relatives tracked us down to our house by simply playing the "phone tree" game ( keep calling and asking politely)

Both of these "people" expecting a small woman, lost the majority of their gumption when faced with a 6'5" shaven-headed, Viking-esque appearanced man.

If such a breach occurred in Oregon, it would basically guarantee that another Idiot with a grudge will try my household again.

This is actually why My wife finally filed for her CCW this year, and will be packing her Sigma wherever legal henceforth.

For Myself, I'm disabled enough to warrant an "enhanced" right of self defence. A light shove that wouldn't hurt a fly could send me stumbling with my hips out of socket. My tissues don't knit properly, and injuries take FAR longer to recover from. (10 years and counting on my left shoulder rebuild. www.ednf.org if you are curious).


Releasing the information is no different than holding a gun to the head of every person who went through a Federal check to defend themselves for whatever reason. (abused women, LEO, Judges, )

If you are on the List. SUE! (God Bless America!, can use a lawyer for good!)
 
Site appears to be down, it now redirects to some weird site called Cryptome, offering downloads of "secret" documents. The pistol permit database is one of them, but the other stuff sounds more "exciting"
Also gone is the anti-gun propaganda from the original site.
 
Welcome to the site Timbercutter! Good on you!

I would like a copy of the list of names and addresses so that I can do a little letter writing campaign in support of these folks...

Oh yea, and the site is still up, you just have to go pick the file out...
 
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So basically it's a list of whom not to mess with. :)

Attention criminals! Looking for someone to rob? Avoid the people on this list!
 
Arkansas had this exact same problem about a year ago. We passed a bill making that info confidential and this problem really can't happen again.
 
I am against publics records for the most part, but this goes way beyond any thing that has happened before.

As one person stated criminals will either know where to get more firarms, or what house hods to avoid. I hope this blows up in the person/s face, and gets thie house robbed or some thing. Now the crooks know who are the sitting ducks. Kind of makes me think of the front yard signs that say "I will not vilate my neighbors anti gun stance and come running when they are being assaulted" or something.

I wonder if there will be some "like minded" criminal and drop by this persons house, now that they(criminals) know that the person/s are unarmed, and leave them a thankyou note.
 
Well...now the criminals can go firearm "shopping" for their next big crime and they will not be going unarmed or alone for their "shopping" spree.

Wasn't that nice of them to do? We should all thank them for making things easier (again) for the criminals.
 
Looks like cryptome.org revels in posting such information, and will only take a file down with a court order. I checked the site, and it looks like the poster of the original database asked cryptome.org to mirror the original whospackingny.com site before redirecting the original site.
 
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Boy that list is a double edged sword.. Thankfully the information posted on there about me isn't accurate, but with a simple internet search, that can be straightened out. Has anybody made any progress to block it?
 
The list poster is such an idiot.

Didn't he think about the fact that now he has helped every criminal who desires a gun to get one? The criminal just uses the newly published "shopping list" and goes gets one.

The list poster should be charged with aiding & abetting if any of the guns that are stolen from a home that is listed is, afterward, used in a crime.
 
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