Ok, I'll say something about reaper's "cops on CCW" thread

[sidheshooter]

I think that there are numerous things to ponder in the article linked to by reaper4206969, below:

http://www.policeone.com/police-pro...citizens-legally-carrying-a-concealed-weapon/

The Article shows another side of the right to carry movement that has swept the country over the last two decades; that of the need for police to be aware of the greatly increased odds of coming into contact with people who are armed, only legally, and how to deal with this issue while taking into account both their own safety, as well as the rights of a law-abiding citizen.

We should all have a quick read on this one, since we may find ourselves on the other side as the LEO tries to meet his/her goals. If we know in advance what the problem looks like from their side, then we can better position ourselves to help them solve what they perceive as a problem (while avoiding getting our nice tactical pants dusty, or worse, legal trouble-let alone getting blown up accidentally).

As well I thought the laundry list of concealed carry indicators (both legal and extra legal) made for good reading; the kind that can be put into use in our own daily lives as civilians.

An obvious example of this is "hoodie" carry; I for one never contemplated the fact that some idiot might see fit to stash a Glock in the hood of his sweatshirt. Point now noted; that one bit of info was worth the time it took to scan the article, IMHO.

YMMV.

 

[Cougfan2]

Excellent article, particularly the things they look for as CCW indicators. I had not thought of many of them.

 

[Gouranga]

Hoodie carry is a scary thought I imagine. You tell a BG to put his hands behind his head, or of he sees you gun and does so...he may not be giving up....

 

[KodiakBeer]

I've never had any issues with cops while being armed. I just tell them and the response has always been something like: "Thanks for letting me know". They've never asked me give them the weapon, or even see it.

I suspect cops are just a reflection of the population where they live. If you're in some liberal state, you might have the bad luck to run into a liberal cop who'll make you jump through hoops, disarm you, humiliate you, etc, to demonstrate his statist "authoritay". But, most cops lean conservative and are respectful and fair to citizens. I've never had an issue to complain about.

 

[pacerdude]

That is a very informative article, I especially liked how the officer who wrote it urged other officers to remember that CCW holders are not bad guys, just because they have a gun. He advocated respect by both officers and CCW holders.

 

[WNC Seabee]

I found it kind of funny that his description of the "typical" CCW holder sounded an awful lot like a Mall Ninja....tactical pants, Oakley's, load bearing vest, etc.....

 

[cleardiddion]

I rather liked the article and also the one that was linked to it at the beginning. Very informative.

 

[tkopp]

Hey, 5.11 covert khakis are great pants!
>.>

Show me another pair of well-made pants with a gusseted inseam, elastic in the waistband to fit with or without a pistol, and good pocket space for $15?

 

[Cougfan2]

I found it kind of funny that his description of the "typical" CCW holder sounded an awful lot like a Mall Ninja....tactical pants, Oakley's, load bearing vest, etc.....

Yes, but he said nothing about the special shoes that let you walk up walls.

 

[valorius]

I wonder what he'd think of me. I look like a lead singer from a 70's rock and roll band....lol

 

[Bula]

Another tell tale, A pair of Peltor's clamped above your ears, right at the hat band of your "Gunsite" ball cap...

 

[GEM]

Valorius - find the article on who to search for drugs!

I thought it was great article. However, loads of folks are wearing cargo pants and shorts. 5.11s are distinctive but I do like them.

 

[BLSBoy]

Heh.
I look like a surfer, but with the right t shirt (one size larger), and right holster, you can't even tell I carry my Glock 27 and spare mag.

 

[sidheshooter]

Indeed. One benefit of micro autos is that they will conceal under any clothing that won't get you arrested for indecent exposure in the first place.

I tend to strike up conversations with anyone standing in line next to me in a 5.11 t-shirt. Fun chats, and all, but I don't think they are fooling anyone. I recently went into a museum in a large urban area and the security guys were making folks check any big bags. The security guy is going "Let me see that bag... turn around, I need to see that bag..." to everyone, and when he gets to me and my little maxpedition, he goes: "Now THAT bag is just fine Sir!"

Wink wink, nudge nudge. Glad he was Ok with it, since I really wanted to see the exhibits...

At any rate 5.11 and Maxpedition are almost certainly indicators of permitting, although I suppose that it is not beyond the realm of possibility that someone might just be dumb enough to carry illegally in such gear. I suppose it could happen.

 

[Mike J]

That was actually a pretty decent article. Thanks for posting it Reaper.

 

[Sapper771]

Good read and very accurate.

 

[tasco 74]

saw a tee shirt ad on another site where you could get a tee shirt that said "IN GOD WE TRUST everyone else keep you hands in sight"...............

edit.. it might have been snopers hide site

 

[Birdmang]

I like the article but it kind of says that if you aren't a white conservative and you don't dress the part, then you should be treated like a bad/illegal CCW permit holder. That is wrong and should not be adopted, implemented or taught anywhere. I do agree that body language is the key thing to look at.

 

[wrs840]

I like the article but it kind of says that if you aren't a white conservative and you don't dress the part, then you should be treated like a bad/illegal CCW permit holder.

Hey, the author is just evaluating the odds. I also believe "white" has nothing to do with it (where'd you get that ???). One's presentation absolutely has a legitimate place in that evaluation.

If someone is determined to present themself as a "bad boy", it's often justifiably perceived as a uniform that says "I'm uncooperative", and it should be no surprise that some people might take that "fashion statement" at it's intended face value.

Not criticizing anyone's personal style choices, but the unfairness you point out seems to me to be largely self-imposed. It seems reasonable to me, given the skills the author's attempting to teach, that dress and demeanor just falls under the category of: "if it walks like a duck..."

Les

 

[tkopp]

I did once meet a guy who had 'Si vis pacem' tattooed on one arm, and 'para bellum' tattooed on the other. I asked him what he was carrying and he seemed dumfounded that I could tell he had a gun on him.

 

[ozarkgunner]

It seemed to be a very pro-CCW article. But, the writer needs to realize that not all permitted, legal CCW'ers do not all fit the same profile. I don't own any 5-11 pants or shirts. Tactical boots, range/hunting vests, etc.
I'm of Hispanic/Native American decent. All of my T shirts are loose and are not tucked in. Even before I started to carry. The only profile that I fit sometimes, is the open coat in the winter. But that just depends on which coat I'm wearing. Some are shorter and tighter that others.
A good article to his fellow LEO's. I think he should send it to departments nation wide instead of just having it in the magazine. I'm sure not all of them(LEO's) read it.

 

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

It seemed to be a very pro-CCW article. But, the writer needs to realize that not all permitted, legal CCW'ers do not all fit the same profile. I don't own any 5-11 pants or shirts. Tactical boots, range/hunting vests, etc.

I don't see anywhere in the article where the writer states that people who carry definitely fit any certain profile. I do see where he evaluated the odds that many carriers probably fit a profile, which is probably true.

 

[rscalzo]

Yes, but he said nothing about the special shoes that let you walk up walls

Could use a pair to clean the high ceiling fan in the great room.

 

[Guns and more]

I found it kind of funny that his description of the "typical" CCW holder sounded an awful lot like a Mall Ninja....tactical pants, Oakley's, load bearing vest, etc.....

Sounds like "profiling" to me.
Seriously, I never understood why any cop when shown your CCW permit would jump back and draw his weapon.
"Hello, cops", tap, tap. The bad guy isn't going to have a CCW, they're the ones to worry about.

 

[sidheshooter]

Seriously, I never understood why any cop when shown your CCW permit would jump back and draw his weapon

Anyone know of cases where this has actually happened?