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As soon as I actually get a chance to shoot one, I'll find something that sucks about it
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I think this applies to pretty much every handgun I've ever handled. If we're looking to get perfect, I don't think it exists for most of us with a production gun. Custom would get us closer to what we think is perfect....and even then who knows because mostly they're still working off of one basic platform or another. Eh....nothing's perfect anyways (except maybe Anna Kournikova).

Oh, for a 9mm that's currently in production, I'll take a Sphinx 3000.
 
That's not quite what a Tueller drill demonstrates. It demonstrates the time required to draw and fire a handgun. A knife in hand may indeed beat a holstered handgun, but a handgun in hand still beats a knife. And a sheathed knife or baton is going to be no faster, and offer no advantage.
 
"I believe that the Glock 17"...In your opinion maybe but there are plenty of folks who would disagree with that statement and/or offer up other pistols which they feel are much better than a glock 17... Like the Springfield XD9, S&W M&P, or Walther PPS, etc...


As an example...I haven't seen a Glock article which matches up to the Springfieldd Torture Test article or get get an endorsement from the National Police Officer's Labs...However, recently in my of my "gun" magizine I read an article entitled, "Are Glocks Safe"...

BTW here's an EXCELLENT XD9 Subcompact ARTICLE at Officer.Com from their Law Enforcement Technology Evaluation Team…
“The off-duty firearm needs to be a deliberate consideration. Law Enforcement Technology tested the Springfield Armory's XD9 Subcompact and found that it exceeds this standard.”…..You can view the article here.

Springfield’s XD9 Subcompact
http://www.officer.com/print/Law-Enforcement-Technology/Springfields-XD9-Subcompact/1$31772

Springfield XD Torture Test:
http://springfield-armory.primediaoutdoors.com/SPstory11.php


Let me be clear: I am NOT stating the Springfield XD9 is the best pistol out there I'm just pointing out there ARE MANY fine (new breed) semi-autos on the market today...Maybe the best offerings in the history of semi-autos (just an OPINION).
 
There are many different polymer frame pistols on the market. But when you get to a firing line where professionals are competing or training, you'll see two or three main types represented, with only a smattering of alternatives, usually brought by the least experienced. There's more to a fighting handgun than a list of features, or even a torture test. After a few thousand rounds, some just feel like weapons, and others don't.
 
XDs (aside from marketing inspired "torture tests") have problems. The roll pin that breaks that you can't order spares of for example.
 
There are many different polymer frame pistols on the market. But when you get to a firing line where professionals are competing or training, you'll see two or three main types represented, with only a smattering of alternatives, usually brought by the least experienced.
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That has little to do with what is actually "the best" A lot of competition shooters stick with a reliable platform that can be modified easily with lots of spare parts and tons of accessories available. For instance, someone could build a glock 17 or 34 race gun for a LOT cheaper and WAY easier than pretty much any other brand. That doesn't mean the glock is any better....it's just a lot cheaper and easier to modify to get what you want for that purpose. It gets the job done.

As far as professionals go like police and military, they get what they are issued. There are many other factors involved in choosing which pistol gets issued. Being "the best" isn't one of them. Maybe "best for this amount of money" or best for other reasons (service contracts, etc) does though.
 
That doesn't mean the glock is any better....it's just a lot cheaper and easier to modify to get what you want for that purpose.
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I would call that "better". Maybe the kids these days use a different word for it, but when a tool is both less expensive and easier to suit to my purpose than the alternatives, I do tend to select it over the alternatives.
 
That's not quite what a Tueller drill demonstrates. It demonstrates the time required to draw and fire a handgun. A knife in hand may indeed beat a holstered handgun, but a handgun in hand still beats a knife. And a sheathed knife or baton is going to be no faster, and offer no advantage.
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The Tueller drill demonstrates that the tactic of drawing and firing a handgun at an assailant 7 yards away from the shooter results in a tie when the assailant charges the shooter. Accordingly, exclusive reliance on defending oneself with a firearm is likely to lead to failure in a contest with a knife or a cudgel that unfolds within a 7 yard range. It follows that within this range better survival odds can be obtained by taking evasive action or blocking or parrying the strike with another impact or edged weapon. Since few of us follow Wyatt Earp in packing a Buntline Special, let alone equip our sidearms with bayonets, it is better to carry a knife or a stick in addition to a handgun.
 
Accordingly, exclusive reliance on defending oneself with a firearm is likely to lead to failure in a contest with a knife or a cudgel that unfolds within a 7 yard range.
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Does not follow.

Yes, a pistol loses its primary advantage (distance) in this case, but with the possible exception of a short sword in very skilled hands, a pistol remains a superior weapon at close ranges, capable of inflicting immediately disabling wounds with very little effort. Why reach for a knife or a stick when I've already got a powder-powered weapon at hand, which will work even if I successfully manage to retreat or impose an obstacle between us?

Tueller never intended his drill to get people to carry more knives. It's just the first step toward teaching people how to use firearms more effectively at close ranges. It's a reason to practice situational awareness, get your firearm out before you need it, know how to move, and know how to rock 'n lock.

Remember, the time you spend training with your Busse or ASP is time you're not training with your pistol. And firearms have the highest utility/training time invested of all defensive tools. If you want to learn a muscle-powered martial art for fun, great. But you're less likely to save your life with those skills than you are to get into a fatal car wreck driving to the dojo or gym every week.
 
Why reach for a knife or a stick when I've already got a powder-powered weapon at hand, which will work even if I successfully manage to retreat or impose an obstacle between us?
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Because unlike a knife or a stick, a bullet fired from a service-type handgun will not stop a determined assailant short of a CNS hit.
 
I really like the M&P 9C for me as I'm a skinny punk. It carries well on me, and as a range gun, very comfortable to shoot.
 
I agree the CZ has made a really strong impression since it's introduction, but I've been truly impressed by my Springfield XD (and I don't even like plastic framed guns). It points very well, is comfortable, acurate and reliable. And the price is very fair.
 
I would call that "better". Maybe the kids these days use a different word for it, but when a tool is both less expensive and easier to suit to my purpose than the alternatives, I do tend to select it over the alternatives.
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If you drive a Honda Civic to work every day, gas would cost you less money and it would still get you to where you wanted to go. Oh, and it's probably the easiest car to find a giant spoiler or some other silly thing to put on it. Does that make it a better car than say, a Ferrari or maybe a even high end luxury car with worse gas milage? I think not. Maybe the kids these days use the word "value" as "better" or something. When I see one I'll ask.
 
Star Model 30, all steel, will last a lifetime, no tupperware for me!!! CZ-75 is a close second.........
 
I think it all boils down to what gun inspires the most confidence in you. If you are confident of the gun's abilities, you will shoot it better and feel that it is best for you. I think that is the primary reason many of us choose one over the other.

The accuracy debate will continue long beyond most anyone on this board but in recent tests, the Glock's reliablity seems IMHO to be the high water mark for semi autos. Don't think so? Then you need to watch the torture test videos posted at glock talk of a G21. The results are hard to argue with.

That being said, I own a Glock 19 and a Sig p225. The Sig is more accurate to me be but by a very narrow margin. The grip angle of the Glocks are the best I have held and its reliability inspires the most confidence in me.

My choice:
1. Glock 19
2. Sig P225 (being a very close 2nd).
 
Michael Zeleny,

I'm not sure about your comments on the CZ slide stop. I'm pretty sure the slide stop on the 1911 is also a stressed part since you can't seem to step into a phone booth without bumping into someone's extra heavy duty super tough 1911 slide stop.

Not sure about the Hi-Power either, I need to take mine apart and have a look. I know the barrel cams into position rather than pivots as the 1911. I've also heard of Hi-Powers not handling thousands of rounds of +P all that well, never seen similar concerns with the CZ.
 
I'm not sure about your comments on the CZ slide stop. I'm pretty sure the slide stop on the 1911 is also a stressed part since you can't seem to step into a phone booth without bumping into someone's extra heavy duty super tough 1911 slide stop.

Not sure about the Hi-Power either, I need to take mine apart and have a look. I know the barrel cams into position rather than pivots as the 1911. I've also heard of Hi-Powers not handling thousands of rounds of +P all that well, never seen similar concerns with the CZ.
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All pistol designs derived from the CZ-75 use their slide stop pin to stop the recoil cycle, contrary to the normal Browning (M1911), Browning-Saive (GP35), and Browning-Petter (M1935, P210) practice of having the breech end of the barrel stopped against a cutout in the frame. Please consult this animated diagram of the M1911 or this SIG P210 manual at pp. 21-22, for an illustration of this action. Accordingly, periodic pin breakages are a consequence of this design feature. That is why CZ USA advises its customers that the slide stop pin is expected to break within 1,500 to 3,000 rounds.
 
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