Pet Peeves, gun related
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^thisOrion8472 said:
Whenever I take my girlfriend shooting, I always shoot first, so it kind of reminds her of what the recoil is like. My goal has always been to encourage range time and not scare her away from firearms because she unexpectedly gets beaten up by a firearm. I'd rather be the one taking a beating, if it makes her more comfortable about firearms.
ANYONE behind the counter owes it to the buyer, all the information available that will help make that new owner a safe handler of the product they just purchased from YOU the seller.
Gun accidents can kill people. I know nothing of the 63 year old lady and her Judge, but as an instructor and RSO I see plenty of what the OP stated in the start of this thread. The next worse line I see is" I am thinking of bringing home a gun for my wife/girlfriend. what should I get her".
Gun accidents can kill people. I know nothing of the 63 year old lady and her Judge, but as an instructor and RSO I see plenty of what the OP stated in the start of this thread. The next worse line I see is" I am thinking of bringing home a gun for my wife/girlfriend. what should I get her".
billpocz
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My biggest pet peeve is the 'break-in period'.
So I lay down significant cash and then have to add additional ammo (that I may or may not be able to acquire
).
Looks like there are some pretty common peeves out there!
Bill
So I lay down significant cash and then have to add additional ammo (that I may or may not be able to acquire
).Looks like there are some pretty common peeves out there!
Bill
I got that same crap when I bought motorcycles. Don't go over 55 for the first 500 miles.
Bull crap. I'm headed to out for a road trip and I ain't keeping it under 60.
Break in period.. I'd at least run some Sweets through the bore to get the copper out of a new barrel after about 50 rounds. (There will be a lot).
After that, go for broke.
My biggest pet peeves;
* chickenwings when shooting a rifle from the standing position.
* people who talk down to you on your gear. So what if I show up to shoot a Mosin or SKS? Sometimes I feel like shooting cheap ammo, and I leave my expensive crap home.
(Shooting is shooting!)
* People who talk too much. I like camaraderie and all that just as much as the next guy. But don't start a lengthy conversation with me until I'm done shooting, or waiting for a barrel to cool off, or something. I come to the range to shoot, not to jaw like a teenager.
After that, go for broke.
My biggest pet peeves;
* chickenwings when shooting a rifle from the standing position.
* people who talk down to you on your gear. So what if I show up to shoot a Mosin or SKS? Sometimes I feel like shooting cheap ammo, and I leave my expensive crap home.
(Shooting is shooting!)
* People who talk too much. I like camaraderie and all that just as much as the next guy. But don't start a lengthy conversation with me until I'm done shooting, or waiting for a barrel to cool off, or something. I come to the range to shoot, not to jaw like a teenager.
I don't like it when the gun I rent is so dirty and sludgy that the double action trigger pull is 20 or 30 pounds and gets worse shot after shot until finally the hammer fails to drop.
Especially when the gun being rented is a classic out of production accurate large frame Smith .22 revolver that god knows why was ever designated a rental gun.
Show a little care and respect for a fine firearm and the person shooting it.
Another one is attempting to engage me in a distractive coversation while I am tending to and loading a large bore muzzleloading rifle
Especially when the gun being rented is a classic out of production accurate large frame Smith .22 revolver that god knows why was ever designated a rental gun.
Show a little care and respect for a fine firearm and the person shooting it.
Another one is attempting to engage me in a distractive coversation while I am tending to and loading a large bore muzzleloading rifle
stumpers
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I thought that was a more accurate stance...
I wouldn't say anything, but this is the second time someone has brought it up - the other time was at the range when some kid in the national guard started "instructing" me on proper form when I was blasting away with my new AR using some haphazard shooting form - something halfway between chicken wings and tucked in.
JRH6856
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Chickenwing, tucked, before I comment on the stance, I take a look at the target. 
OilyPablo
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Miked said:
Wow. That's pretty bad. Never heard anyone say such a thing but I would think them to be in denial and certainly would not want to meet them at the range!
Chickenwing, tucked, before I comment on the stance, I take a look at the target.
Well, there is that.
Tucked helps me stay on target with some rifles, but I can roll both ways.
JRH6856
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Looks like fun, Trent. I don't normally associate rifles with full-auto fire.
I find that for me (and firing one shot at a time), tucked works best with pistol grips and straight-line stocks and chickenwing is better with conventional/traditional stocks.
I find that for me (and firing one shot at a time), tucked works best with pistol grips and straight-line stocks and chickenwing is better with conventional/traditional stocks.
OK I jumped in after reading the first page of this thread. It's the tired old "don't know about lube" slam that people like to throw around. It is certainly true that many people know nothing of lube. And a total newbie is certainly not going to know "anything" about lube. And the first thing they need to know is you can do just as much damage by adding the wrong lube as you can by not lubing parts that need to be lubed. Any time you add lube to a weapon you create a whole new set of problems.
First rule - WD-40 is NOT good for guns. It's pretty good for cleaning guns. It will get them clean but it will leave so much oil in the system that you will need to hose out your gun (with more WD) every 5 rounds or so.
"Clean" is the best way most guns operate that I've used. Turning a newbie loose with a can of lube is going to result in worse problems than running a dry gun IMO. If they don't know what lube or oil does what they will almost certainly mess up (literally).
All newbies need to learn somehow. I don't know how they will learn except a little trial and error if they don't have a patient instructor. It takes learning from your mistakes too. Too much lube is the most common mistake I see. I have several pistols that have never had a drop of lube at all.
I think people often lead newbies down a long path to dirty firearms that won't work well but teaching them to add lube when the gun really never needed a bit of lube. I see more guns that are gunked up to the point they won't cycle than I see guns with metal parts that have worn down so much they won't work. Guns that fire dirty ammo (like 7.62 x 39 stuff from the Soviet bloc) are usually the worst. Cheap guns bought by people who didn't care if they took care of them (because they were cheap) and then filled with dirty ammo (and cheap ammo which means lots of ammo) and a fairly powerful round which means a good bit of powder per round - those are the guns that I see that are the most gunked up of all guns.
Some were taken care of. It is really easy to keep a gun like that running because they were built to keep running no matter what they conscripted farmers did to them. Throw it down in the mud - who cares - it will still run. But I still see those guns so gunked up the bolt won't cycle and even worse the firing pin won't slide back and forth like it needs to do to prevent slam fires. They get that way from WD-40 combined with dirty ammo really. People think that stuff is miracle juice and it does do some things well. But it gathers powder residue like a magnet and keeps it in the action until you have a kind of black concrete inside. It's sorta like tar I guess only harder.
So let's not just point newbs at lube and tell them to go for it. They need to learn "how" to use lube and cleaners.
So apparently I have a pet peeve about this and didn't know it considering how long this post is.
First rule - WD-40 is NOT good for guns. It's pretty good for cleaning guns. It will get them clean but it will leave so much oil in the system that you will need to hose out your gun (with more WD) every 5 rounds or so.
"Clean" is the best way most guns operate that I've used. Turning a newbie loose with a can of lube is going to result in worse problems than running a dry gun IMO. If they don't know what lube or oil does what they will almost certainly mess up (literally).
All newbies need to learn somehow. I don't know how they will learn except a little trial and error if they don't have a patient instructor. It takes learning from your mistakes too. Too much lube is the most common mistake I see. I have several pistols that have never had a drop of lube at all.
I think people often lead newbies down a long path to dirty firearms that won't work well but teaching them to add lube when the gun really never needed a bit of lube. I see more guns that are gunked up to the point they won't cycle than I see guns with metal parts that have worn down so much they won't work. Guns that fire dirty ammo (like 7.62 x 39 stuff from the Soviet bloc) are usually the worst. Cheap guns bought by people who didn't care if they took care of them (because they were cheap) and then filled with dirty ammo (and cheap ammo which means lots of ammo) and a fairly powerful round which means a good bit of powder per round - those are the guns that I see that are the most gunked up of all guns.
Some were taken care of. It is really easy to keep a gun like that running because they were built to keep running no matter what they conscripted farmers did to them. Throw it down in the mud - who cares - it will still run. But I still see those guns so gunked up the bolt won't cycle and even worse the firing pin won't slide back and forth like it needs to do to prevent slam fires. They get that way from WD-40 combined with dirty ammo really. People think that stuff is miracle juice and it does do some things well. But it gathers powder residue like a magnet and keeps it in the action until you have a kind of black concrete inside. It's sorta like tar I guess only harder.
So let's not just point newbs at lube and tell them to go for it. They need to learn "how" to use lube and cleaners.
So apparently I have a pet peeve about this and didn't know it considering how long this post is.
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JRH6856
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Cee Zee, I understand your pet peeve completely.
WD-40 (Water Displacer forumla 40) is a formulation of ingredients, primarily mineral oil, diluted with mineral spirits to produce a low-viscosity, penetrating spray. Once applied, the mineral spirits evaporate leaving a non-volatile, high viscosity oil as a moisture barrier and protectant. While it has value as penetrating oil and lubricant immediately after application, it loses that value over time as the mineral spirits evaporate and viscosity increases. Due to its high viscosity the remaining oil can be very "gummy". Additional applications will dilute this gum and lower the viscosity for a short time but after evaporation, the result is even more gum.
I find WD-40 useful for loosening stuck screws, but I use pure mineral spirits for removing WD-40. I may use WD-40 to protect exposed metal surfaces during storage on tools like shovels, but I don't use WD-40 as a permanent lubricant for anything.
WD-40 (Water Displacer forumla 40) is a formulation of ingredients, primarily mineral oil, diluted with mineral spirits to produce a low-viscosity, penetrating spray. Once applied, the mineral spirits evaporate leaving a non-volatile, high viscosity oil as a moisture barrier and protectant. While it has value as penetrating oil and lubricant immediately after application, it loses that value over time as the mineral spirits evaporate and viscosity increases. Due to its high viscosity the remaining oil can be very "gummy". Additional applications will dilute this gum and lower the viscosity for a short time but after evaporation, the result is even more gum.
I find WD-40 useful for loosening stuck screws, but I use pure mineral spirits for removing WD-40. I may use WD-40 to protect exposed metal surfaces during storage on tools like shovels, but I don't use WD-40 as a permanent lubricant for anything.
J-Bar
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Pet peeve:
As a cowboy action shooter, I get to use a lot of fixed sight revolvers. Very darn few shoot anywhere close to point of aim out of the box. Filing the front sight isn't so bad and is expected. But how about the gun that already shoots too high...you are faced with having to install a taller front sight. Some of the dern things print 8 to 10 inches to the side and you are faced with having to rotate a barrel or file out a rear notch to make it usable.
15 lb. trigger pulls would take another paragraph...
As a cowboy action shooter, I get to use a lot of fixed sight revolvers. Very darn few shoot anywhere close to point of aim out of the box. Filing the front sight isn't so bad and is expected. But how about the gun that already shoots too high...you are faced with having to install a taller front sight. Some of the dern things print 8 to 10 inches to the side and you are faced with having to rotate a barrel or file out a rear notch to make it usable.
15 lb. trigger pulls would take another paragraph...
Arkansas Paul
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I will not tell Abigail (my trusty '06) that you said that.
oneounceload
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IIRC, my understanding is that WD-40 was actually using fish oil (good for water displacement) - in either case, the residue tends to become like a varnish and can cause a lot of issues. I know one gent who only uses it on his guns. He has a 50 year old Model 42 420 pump that he has to vigorously slam open to eject an empty - and the extractor is just fine
JustinJ
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Cars are everday items that we're all exposed to from infancy and generally we have numerous opportunities to learn how to drive them before buying one. Not to mention, before one drive's one off the lot they need a drivers license.
Unlike firearms, most people do not mistake rock climbing as a simple, intuitive activity.
A salesman can safely assume his customers have been exposed to an oven sometime in their life. But yes, a good salesman should review any unique features.
He certainly should ensure the customer has the proper means and knowledge to care for the animal before selling it.
Firearms are a unique product in that there are so many misconceptions out there regarding their use. Many people mistake movies for reality and believe owning and shooting a gun is just as simple as the latest action movie portrays. It is not hard for a gun salesman to determine with some degree of certainty if a new customer if familiar with firearms. If not, the responsible thing is to educate them. Forget choosing the right gun. Firearms are extremely dangerous when used in an unsafe manner and it is all of our duty to prevent gun related accidents whenever possible.
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