loandr.
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Sgt Stevo
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Boerbols from Africa are hard to find. I have friend from South Africa that tried to hook me up but, No go..
I Love them. I have only trained one. He was a handful, but once I figured him out, He was a sweet heart. And strong as a mule. really A mule.
You must sleep well at night my friend!
I Love them. I have only trained one. He was a handful, but once I figured him out, He was a sweet heart. And strong as a mule. really A mule.
You must sleep well at night my friend!
"Any kind of sheperd dog could prove problematic as they have that "herding" instinct (this is what I've been told) and may try to "corral" small children....not necassarily hurting them, but it could be dangerous. "
I have a Border Collie / Australian Cattle Dog mix that does exactly that.
She is the one on the right.
She herds most anything including children. About half of the younger ones don't seem to notice that they are being lead somewehre, but the other half do, and don't like it. That might create a situation where the child could try and hit Maggie. I'm sure she would nip back instead of trying to hurt, but no one wants kids to get nipped.
I have a Border Collie / Australian Cattle Dog mix that does exactly that.
She is the one on the right.
She herds most anything including children. About half of the younger ones don't seem to notice that they are being lead somewehre, but the other half do, and don't like it. That might create a situation where the child could try and hit Maggie. I'm sure she would nip back instead of trying to hurt, but no one wants kids to get nipped.
loandr.
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Thanks for the Kind words Stg., They ARE A handful sir ! And Not for eveyone thats for sure, BUT like most good things in life, they are worth every moments effort. Raise them from YOUNG (WITH a strong LOVING hand), treat them like family and let nature take its course, we sleep well indeed. Sgt. feel free to Holler and ill assist in any way possible to get you in touch we a breeder that will cut you a deal on a Primo pup, they are not EZ to find BUT are around.
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Thanks for the Kind words Stg., They ARE A handful sir
! And Not for eveyone thats for sure, BUT like most good things in life, they are worth every moments effort. Raise them from YOUNG (WITH a strong LOVING hand), treat them like family and let nature take its course, we sleep well indeed. Sgt. feel free to Holler and ill assist in any way possible to get you in touch we a breeder that will cut you a deal on a Primo pup, they are not EZ to find BUT are around.[email protected]
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UPDATE:
I took the advise given in this thread and asked the American Buldog breeder if his dogs were hip certified. He, in a rather defensive tone, said they were not and that the testing procedure itself could actually do harm to the dogs hips. Having owned German Shepards I know how important it is that a dog prone to hip displasia be tested. I was unaware before this thread that AB's had problems with that; I should have realized most large breeds are. I think I'm going to pass on the pup. I'm not saying I wouldnt consider an AB in the future, just that I want one from OSA certified parents.
I took the advise given in this thread and asked the American Buldog breeder if his dogs were hip certified. He, in a rather defensive tone, said they were not and that the testing procedure itself could actually do harm to the dogs hips. Having owned German Shepards I know how important it is that a dog prone to hip displasia be tested. I was unaware before this thread that AB's had problems with that; I should have realized most large breeds are. I think I'm going to pass on the pup. I'm not saying I wouldnt consider an AB in the future, just that I want one from OSA certified parents.
Free dogs often end up costing a lot of money. Take your time and I really recommend getting in touch with a local rescue group. They may be breed specific (GSD rescue, Rottweiler rescue, et al) but they place individual dogs, each with it's own personality. Not all rescue organizations are the same, check with more than one.
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FWIW, I have a pair of beagles that offer a great alarm system. Every time they hear or think they hear something, they go bonkers. Every additional dog raises the noise levels exponentially, so it can get pretty bad.
Get yourself something bigger to defend you, but get a hound to make noise.
Get yourself something bigger to defend you, but get a hound to make noise.
XDKingslayer
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I have to second the Akita. Like he said, they only bark when there is something meaningful to bark about.
And at an average of 100lbs, they may not be a defensive weapon, but they are a psychological one.
I'm hoping to pick up a Lab/Akita mix this week as a matter of fact. I've watched the last few litters and they're basically 100lb tongues you can't get out of the water.
And at an average of 100lbs, they may not be a defensive weapon, but they are a psychological one.
I'm hoping to pick up a Lab/Akita mix this week as a matter of fact. I've watched the last few litters and they're basically 100lb tongues you can't get out of the water.
I like Akitas and almost bought one, but having a small child, I'm just too uncomfortable with having one. Akitas are great dogs and are very protective of their families, but they are also serious dogs. I'm not comfortable with my daughter pulling an Akita's tail or ears, when I've turned my back for a minute. I'm also a bit uncomfortable with how an Akita might react, if another child were to do something at our house, that he might interpret as a threat to our daughter.
They are beautiful dogs, though. Oh and XDKingslayer - you might be surprised at what a defensive weapon an Akita can be. They are formidable dogs. They are quite and aloof, but are protective and can be VERY determined. They are suprisingly quick and are one of the strongest, most powerful dogs. Very, VERY smart dogs. They are good at assessing threats and WILL act upon a perceived threat. Extremely loyal. They are prone to be face biters, upon encountering a threat. They mean business, if need be. (And depending on the individual Akita, can kill another dog in a second, if unchecked.)
They are beautiful dogs, though. Oh and XDKingslayer - you might be surprised at what a defensive weapon an Akita can be. They are formidable dogs. They are quite and aloof, but are protective and can be VERY determined. They are suprisingly quick and are one of the strongest, most powerful dogs. Very, VERY smart dogs. They are good at assessing threats and WILL act upon a perceived threat. Extremely loyal. They are prone to be face biters, upon encountering a threat. They mean business, if need be. (And depending on the individual Akita, can kill another dog in a second, if unchecked.)
kd5rov
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I don't post much, but I thought I would throw my $.02 in.
I grew up with a Boxer from the age of 8 to 16 and I think they are great guard dogs. My parents wanted a Dog to protect us kids while we ran around our 10 acres and to keep critters out of the garden. A friend raised pure bred Boxers and recommended them, so we got a 6 month old male pup and named him Sam.
Here's my opinion on them;
They are loyal, gentle with family, fearless defenders, and intimidating to strangers. They are not known for being highly intelligent, Sam was smart enough, yet he was stupid on somethings. In the summer time if we didn't lock him up in the evening, he would almost always find a skunk and get sprayed. He also hated opossums, every since an incident one night when he thought one threatened us, he killed them.
He was generally good with people, yet he disliked anyone that walked onto our property, and would usually "tree" visitors if one of us wasn't around to tell him it was ok. if someone drove in, they were treated better and usually only got barked at until one of us told him it was ok. though most people wouldn't get out of their cars until we were there. One time a US Marshal that came to our place by mistake.. and wouldn't open his door till we had locked Sam up.
Sam would take on any thing he considered a threat to us, he weighed 90 pounds and would take on dogs that weighed 140. namely our neighbors aggressive mastiff mix. In short, I think Boxers are great dogs for family's with kids, but don't get one if you want a dog with the brains of a Border Collie. If you want a loyal, loving, fearless defender, strongly consider a Boxer.
I grew up with a Boxer from the age of 8 to 16 and I think they are great guard dogs. My parents wanted a Dog to protect us kids while we ran around our 10 acres and to keep critters out of the garden. A friend raised pure bred Boxers and recommended them, so we got a 6 month old male pup and named him Sam.
Here's my opinion on them;
They are loyal, gentle with family, fearless defenders, and intimidating to strangers. They are not known for being highly intelligent, Sam was smart enough, yet he was stupid on somethings. In the summer time if we didn't lock him up in the evening, he would almost always find a skunk and get sprayed. He also hated opossums, every since an incident one night when he thought one threatened us, he killed them.
He was generally good with people, yet he disliked anyone that walked onto our property, and would usually "tree" visitors if one of us wasn't around to tell him it was ok. if someone drove in, they were treated better and usually only got barked at until one of us told him it was ok. though most people wouldn't get out of their cars until we were there. One time a US Marshal that came to our place by mistake.. and wouldn't open his door till we had locked Sam up.
Sam would take on any thing he considered a threat to us, he weighed 90 pounds and would take on dogs that weighed 140. namely our neighbors aggressive mastiff mix. In short, I think Boxers are great dogs for family's with kids, but don't get one if you want a dog with the brains of a Border Collie. If you want a loyal, loving, fearless defender, strongly consider a Boxer.
Sgt Stevo
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On the money kelstral. Like any breed , well bred dogs dont tend to be a problem.
back about 15 or so years ago, Akitas became very sought after and backyard breeders popped up.
When a dog is inbred, bred to not so good other dags, etc. Many things can happen.
Many, "NOT ALL" Akitas became unstable. And bite for little or no known reason.
I have a guy at the kennel who bought a COOPERHAUS dog to replace his Akita that bite a large chunk of his face off. he had him for many years and leaned in when the dog was eating chow. Food, not a chow chow.
some dogs have hip problems some become weak, the Doberman is not what it once was. Some become , well you get it. I can not recommend an Akita, And we do not train them for protection. And always get an OFA cert, when you buy.
The test is an X-ray, it does not hurt anything. Good call passing on the AB
back about 15 or so years ago, Akitas became very sought after and backyard breeders popped up.
When a dog is inbred, bred to not so good other dags, etc. Many things can happen.
Many, "NOT ALL" Akitas became unstable. And bite for little or no known reason.
I have a guy at the kennel who bought a COOPERHAUS dog to replace his Akita that bite a large chunk of his face off. he had him for many years and leaned in when the dog was eating chow. Food, not a chow chow.
some dogs have hip problems some become weak, the Doberman is not what it once was. Some become , well you get it. I can not recommend an Akita, And we do not train them for protection. And always get an OFA cert, when you buy.
The test is an X-ray, it does not hurt anything. Good call passing on the AB
W Turner
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My wife and I have a soft spot for strays and have been known to rescue different dogs from the local pound only to end up finding good homes for them.
Currently we have a 7 yo female GSD. She is a wonderful dog, sweet tempered, protective of our home and son, more patient with my toddler than she should be, and one of the best dogs I have ever had the luck to live with. The hair is too much for my wife and I though. We bathe and brush her regularly, but that hair gets EVERYWHERE. If you can tolerate it, I think a good, stable GSD is one of the best family dogs out there.
My wife and I have pretty much decided that our next dog is going to be a mid-size breed (35-60)lbs. for us. I love Malinois, but they are too high energy for our lifestyle. We are actually looking at a Standard Schanuzer. They require exercise, but are not the balls-out-go-all-the-time energy machines that Malinois and similar breeds are. A 40lb. Schnauzer that will alert on a stranger and leave the heavy work to me is all I ask. If i can develop a good nose for squirrel on them as well.....well, that's just a bonus.
W
Currently we have a 7 yo female GSD. She is a wonderful dog, sweet tempered, protective of our home and son, more patient with my toddler than she should be, and one of the best dogs I have ever had the luck to live with. The hair is too much for my wife and I though. We bathe and brush her regularly, but that hair gets EVERYWHERE. If you can tolerate it, I think a good, stable GSD is one of the best family dogs out there.
My wife and I have pretty much decided that our next dog is going to be a mid-size breed (35-60)lbs. for us. I love Malinois, but they are too high energy for our lifestyle. We are actually looking at a Standard Schanuzer. They require exercise, but are not the balls-out-go-all-the-time energy machines that Malinois and similar breeds are. A 40lb. Schnauzer that will alert on a stranger and leave the heavy work to me is all I ask. If i can develop a good nose for squirrel on them as well.....well, that's just a bonus.
W
V4Vendetta
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I was looking through a issue of "Cowboys & Indians" when I saw a add for guard dogs. Here's the link to their website.
www.carolinagsd.com
www.carolinagsd.com
Sgt Stevo
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V4 look at the site, were it says, "Personel weapons, kill more family members then intruders."
Sillyness! But they have a nice place.
Sillyness! But they have a nice place.
V4Vendetta
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I did notice that. But I figure that they are just trying move product so I don't hold that against them being a entrepeneur myself. Or maybe they just believe that because they heard it on the Today show.
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Awsome looking dogs on that website V4.
V4Vendetta
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Thanks. I'm trying to get one but I can't find out how much they are. I sent the folks there a email a few hours ago & they haven't replied yet. I'm hoping they aren't too expensive but I'm betting they are if they can do all the things that they mention they do.
I have a Newf/Golden Mix , about 115, solid flat black, barks like a demon at anything approching the house but is the nicest dog you'll ever meet. He will position himself between my kids and any stranger that is in the house, but does not act aggressively towards people in the house. I have no idea what he would do if someone broke in, it's never come up thankfully. People are very wary of him due to his size/color etc.
edit: I look through shelters first, but have nothing against responsible breeders at all.
edit: I look through shelters first, but have nothing against responsible breeders at all.
Some dogs are too good for their owner. . .
I'm very much against people buying too much dog. Nothing against dogs, I love dogs, but some owners are too weak (they don't know how to be Alpha), so the dog becomes the Alpha.
I've seen some really good dogs in rescue because the person that bought them had money, but no ability to control a strong willed dog. So they figure they got a bad dog and "get rid of it", when really they were just a weak owner. $.02
I'm very much against people buying too much dog. Nothing against dogs, I love dogs, but some owners are too weak (they don't know how to be Alpha), so the dog becomes the Alpha.
I've seen some really good dogs in rescue because the person that bought them had money, but no ability to control a strong willed dog. So they figure they got a bad dog and "get rid of it", when really they were just a weak owner. $.02
mindwip
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I have lived with dogs my whole life, we had a golden retriever untill i was 7, (the dog died at 14 years). About two weeks later we went to the animal pound and picked up a dog, I was the one who picked him out.
My advise would be to have your son pick him out, at a pound, have him "play with the dog for a bit to see how they get along"
The dog that i picked was abused a lot before he was picked up, about 5 mounths old- 1 year dont know for sure. We both got along real great so we got him. He hated ALL adult males, but kids and woman he was ok with, if you had a beard and deap voice heated you more. So we took him home and now 13 years later he loves everyone. It only took some training in the beginging to show him that not all males are bad, after trust was built up it was great. He is the biggest coward we have ever seen and too smart. If robbers can in the house he would say dont hurt me here is the money and the jewels dont hurt me please leave me.
One day my mom walked out side with a book open in hand and Happy (our dogs name) cried for half an hour because he thought my mom was going to beat him. Even with my mom petting him telling him everything is ok. This was right after we got him. It takes training and work to live with a dog, and have both the poeple and dog be happy. Let your son pick the dog not you, and let the dog pick your son, thats the best way to do it. Dont pick for him. Just my advise from liveing with dogs.
You get the best dogs from pounds and for the most part every large dog has hip problems, Happy our dog has hip problems now at 13. I would never take back the memorys from all the time i spent with him. He is half geman sheperd and something vets dont know. Dont get caught up in breeds most are good, Good luck
My advise would be to have your son pick him out, at a pound, have him "play with the dog for a bit to see how they get along"
The dog that i picked was abused a lot before he was picked up, about 5 mounths old- 1 year dont know for sure. We both got along real great so we got him. He hated ALL adult males, but kids and woman he was ok with, if you had a beard and deap voice heated you more. So we took him home and now 13 years later he loves everyone. It only took some training in the beginging to show him that not all males are bad, after trust was built up it was great. He is the biggest coward we have ever seen and too smart. If robbers can in the house he would say dont hurt me here is the money and the jewels dont hurt me please leave me.
One day my mom walked out side with a book open in hand and Happy (our dogs name) cried for half an hour because he thought my mom was going to beat him. Even with my mom petting him telling him everything is ok. This was right after we got him. It takes training and work to live with a dog, and have both the poeple and dog be happy. Let your son pick the dog not you, and let the dog pick your son, thats the best way to do it. Dont pick for him. Just my advise from liveing with dogs.
You get the best dogs from pounds and for the most part every large dog has hip problems, Happy our dog has hip problems now at 13. I would never take back the memorys from all the time i spent with him. He is half geman sheperd and something vets dont know. Dont get caught up in breeds most are good, Good luck
Bert Kellar
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Hi All,
I am a 70 year retired public high school math teacher who back in the late '70's raised and bred show Cocker Spaniels, German Shepherds, and had a boarding kennel as a side hobby business. I have owned and been around dogs all my life. My favorite breeds are labs and Border Collies. I now own a two year old female Border Collie. Since I now live alone she stays in the house with me. And yes, they are intelligent; and yes, she raises holy heck barking when she hears a strange sound; and yes, they do herd. She tries to herd me all the time, sometimes to the point of nipping my heels. It's what she was bred to do, and is actually a game to her.
Now here is my take on "guard" dogs. I would never own one! There is no way one would have ever fit into my life style. Am I opposed to other people owning guard dogs? No, if it fits their life style, then by all means they should get one.
Bert
I am a 70 year retired public high school math teacher who back in the late '70's raised and bred show Cocker Spaniels, German Shepherds, and had a boarding kennel as a side hobby business. I have owned and been around dogs all my life. My favorite breeds are labs and Border Collies. I now own a two year old female Border Collie. Since I now live alone she stays in the house with me. And yes, they are intelligent; and yes, she raises holy heck barking when she hears a strange sound; and yes, they do herd. She tries to herd me all the time, sometimes to the point of nipping my heels. It's what she was bred to do, and is actually a game to her.
Now here is my take on "guard" dogs. I would never own one! There is no way one would have ever fit into my life style. Am I opposed to other people owning guard dogs? No, if it fits their life style, then by all means they should get one.
Bert
Sgt Stevo
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yep
Check out the K-9 center I work at www.cooperhaus.com
It is also on the latest SgtStevo link, more tactical dogs on this forum.
Look at what we have. Protection trained dogs such as these are in the thousands.
Like 10 thousand for a good one. My dog is on the site in training bitinting the decoy.
Also Baden K-9. they are very good. I train dog owners as much as dogs. there is no too much dog if you learn to control it.
Check out the K-9 center I work at www.cooperhaus.com
It is also on the latest SgtStevo link, more tactical dogs on this forum.
Look at what we have. Protection trained dogs such as these are in the thousands.
Like 10 thousand for a good one. My dog is on the site in training bitinting the decoy.
Also Baden K-9. they are very good. I train dog owners as much as dogs. there is no too much dog if you learn to control it.
Sgt Stevo
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Not all all large dogs have hip problems, I hate when people make statements like that.
Dont go to to the pound, unless it is just for a pet. If you buy, Get an OFA certification.
I have been training dogs over twenty years. My Boss fifty. we have LE and gov accounts.
As well as we sell over fifty protection dogs a year. And the best pups on the west coast.
Dont you hate when some says, something without any knowledge to back it up.
Like 1911 and Glock handguns cause A Ds. That is why it is frustrationg for me, to have people give advice on subject that I have devoted most my adult life to.
Anyone who wants advice on a dog can contact us. we have the answers, If I dont, I will ask my boss.
I can ship anywere in the world. BUt it is better to come to our kennel. Any dog can be fine pet. But to be a weapon, It must be special.
Dont go to to the pound, unless it is just for a pet. If you buy, Get an OFA certification.
I have been training dogs over twenty years. My Boss fifty. we have LE and gov accounts.
As well as we sell over fifty protection dogs a year. And the best pups on the west coast.
Dont you hate when some says, something without any knowledge to back it up.
Like 1911 and Glock handguns cause A Ds. That is why it is frustrationg for me, to have people give advice on subject that I have devoted most my adult life to.
Anyone who wants advice on a dog can contact us. we have the answers, If I dont, I will ask my boss.
I can ship anywere in the world. BUt it is better to come to our kennel. Any dog can be fine pet. But to be a weapon, It must be special.
True, but too many buy a working dog when they really wanted a pet and they don't learn to control it.
I agree with Sgt Stevo on hips. I've seen plenty of big dogs (100#+) with hips that were just fine. I worked with a 10 yo GSD a few weeks ago who's hips showed no signs of hip problems.
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