semf
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Thanks Bob I checked it out they didn't get cracker right either.
Racist Gunshops
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XLMiguel
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Interesting thread, many sound insights, and a few strange notions, too. I see many good hearts here, and some who have yet to truly know their own.
Just to stir the pot, ramble a bit, and share a few observations, I've got to agree with those who have observed that it's the closeted, PC basckstabbers/bigots that are the most dangerous, followed by the delusional folks who think they have no prejudices. Given a little time and a couple of beers, I bet I could find some sort of prejudice in virtually everyone here. I don't think anyone is immune, but some recognize this and work at more than others (and some daze i have to work very hard).
Let me add that most humor is at someone's expense, steroetypes grow from cultural traits as observed by those outside that culture, but if you're going to play on ethic or cultural humor, it's real good thing to make sure your subject knows (and can take a) it's a joke. If you're 'just funnin', well Ok, but if you're doing it to belittle, embarass, or degrade, you've got a problem (and you will reap what you sow). Much racism grows out of fear and misunderstanding - the fear of outsiders and lack of understanding of their 'differences'. It is tribal. But I will add, it's a sorry SOB that has to run someone else down (for whatever reason), so they can feel good about themselves, and that's why most racists are losers in life. BTW, Jeff Foxworthy aside, "redneck" is not a compliment nor an affinity group one should aspire to (much different than 'good ol' boy'), trust me on that.
Lastly "discrimination" (from the Latin discrimino, "to know the difference". We all discriminate every day, hopefully based on observation, education, and experience, it's a survival skill. However, discrimination based on ignorance, prejudice, or fear is morally and ethically wrong. It is hard to see what is in a person heart, but I think people deserve the benefit of the doubt and little respect until they show otherwise.
Don't mind me, it just the tryptophan talking, ever'one have a happy Thanksgiving
Just to stir the pot, ramble a bit, and share a few observations, I've got to agree with those who have observed that it's the closeted, PC basckstabbers/bigots that are the most dangerous, followed by the delusional folks who think they have no prejudices. Given a little time and a couple of beers, I bet I could find some sort of prejudice in virtually everyone here. I don't think anyone is immune, but some recognize this and work at more than others (and some daze i have to work very hard).
Let me add that most humor is at someone's expense, steroetypes grow from cultural traits as observed by those outside that culture, but if you're going to play on ethic or cultural humor, it's real good thing to make sure your subject knows (and can take a) it's a joke. If you're 'just funnin', well Ok, but if you're doing it to belittle, embarass, or degrade, you've got a problem (and you will reap what you sow). Much racism grows out of fear and misunderstanding - the fear of outsiders and lack of understanding of their 'differences'. It is tribal. But I will add, it's a sorry SOB that has to run someone else down (for whatever reason), so they can feel good about themselves, and that's why most racists are losers in life. BTW, Jeff Foxworthy aside, "redneck" is not a compliment nor an affinity group one should aspire to (much different than 'good ol' boy'), trust me on that.
Lastly "discrimination" (from the Latin discrimino, "to know the difference". We all discriminate every day, hopefully based on observation, education, and experience, it's a survival skill. However, discrimination based on ignorance, prejudice, or fear is morally and ethically wrong. It is hard to see what is in a person heart, but I think people deserve the benefit of the doubt and little respect until they show otherwise.
Don't mind me, it just the tryptophan talking, ever'one have a happy Thanksgiving
The only humanoid creatures that you could say i am racest aganst are the undesirable beings that most sane indeviduals would like to see removed from the gene pool....
but as for nationality or color, they could be green, purple, or rainbow colored, and come from saturn, or the next galaxy and i wouldn't care.
but as for nationality or color, they could be green, purple, or rainbow colored, and come from saturn, or the next galaxy and i wouldn't care.
Here is a interesting thought at least to me.
I admit to feeling more comfortable around people that look ,act, and want the same things that I do. I enjoy the company of people that do not threaten me.
I prefer my culture to others, in fact I am very proud of my heritage. I think I belong to the culture that has brought more freedom and comfort to the world than any other. I think my people represent the last best hope for mankind.
So my question to you is I am I a racist? Are you forming a picture of me in your mind? What race am I?
I admit to feeling more comfortable around people that look ,act, and want the same things that I do. I enjoy the company of people that do not threaten me.
I prefer my culture to others, in fact I am very proud of my heritage. I think I belong to the culture that has brought more freedom and comfort to the world than any other. I think my people represent the last best hope for mankind.
So my question to you is I am I a racist? Are you forming a picture of me in your mind? What race am I?
Ed Ely
Member
I know one thing..................
after reading all the posts in this thread, there are a
hellava a lot of racists who have posted.
As long as there is a difference in America, we will stay
America, but when the difference disappears, so will
America.
Ed
after reading all the posts in this thread, there are a
hellava a lot of racists who have posted.
As long as there is a difference in America, we will stay
America, but when the difference disappears, so will
America.
Ed
KevlarTester
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PC love-fest.
"As a non-Hispanic white man"
Quoted from an earlier posting in this thread.
I read in the NY Times recently that many Hispanics were choosing other when queried about their race.
When was being Hispanic considered White?
"As a non-Hispanic white man"
Quoted from an earlier posting in this thread.
I read in the NY Times recently that many Hispanics were choosing other when queried about their race.
When was being Hispanic considered White?
SMLE
Member
I worked in a gun shop in Albuquerque (anybody here remember Mike Noonan?). One day a fellow came in and was browsing. He spotted an Uzi carbine and made a remark about "Jewzies" then started spouting a bunch of "the holocaust never happened" garbage. I looked him in the eye and said; "Being a Jew myself, I have a rather different view on that." His eyeballs got so big thay damn near merged and he beat feet out of there and never came back. I saw him later at other gun shops or at shows and he would change directions the instant he saw me. I guess the idea of a 6'1" 250 pound Jew boy with a 1911 on his hip was more that he was willing to deal with.
For the record, I wasn't Jewish then, although I later converted.
For the record, I wasn't Jewish then, although I later converted.
tiberius
Member
Spain is primarily caucasian, and thus they are "white". "Hispanic" refers to a lanquage and not a race. In the new world Hispanics decend from European, Indian and African races. Not all "Hispanics" are mestizo as some people like to think....They are just as racially diverse as those of us who natively speak English.
Checking "Hispanic" is a race question would be equivalent to checking "Anglo".
Ian Sean
Member
To reply to the original topic, No, I have not seen or heard any racist remarks at Gunstores, I mostly meet very nice people. A few idiots and kooks at GunSHOWS from time to time hawking the crap they try to sell is about it.
Would I refuse to do business with an individual or an establishment because of personal views? I allready do. Any business that promotes an anti-gun or anti-freedom or pro-left commie agenda does not get my business as it is.
Out and out racists, that tarnish the image of the law abiding gun owner easily fit the bill as well. We are all well aware of how the media loves to paint gun owners as racists. Look at the Steve Earle Thread. His song "The Devils Right Hand" was practically the theme song for the movie Betrayed. Betrayed was about racists instigating a civil war.
But the Libertarian in me also rages as well. As long as what you do does not cross the line and infringe on my rights, and what I do doesn't infringe on your rights then it shouldn't matter. When you enter a private business you give up your right to be offended. You on the other hand have the right to turn around, walk out and spend your money elsewhere.
Just my .02.
Would I refuse to do business with an individual or an establishment because of personal views? I allready do. Any business that promotes an anti-gun or anti-freedom or pro-left commie agenda does not get my business as it is.
Out and out racists, that tarnish the image of the law abiding gun owner easily fit the bill as well. We are all well aware of how the media loves to paint gun owners as racists. Look at the Steve Earle Thread. His song "The Devils Right Hand" was practically the theme song for the movie Betrayed. Betrayed was about racists instigating a civil war.
But the Libertarian in me also rages as well. As long as what you do does not cross the line and infringe on my rights, and what I do doesn't infringe on your rights then it shouldn't matter. When you enter a private business you give up your right to be offended. You on the other hand have the right to turn around, walk out and spend your money elsewhere.
Just my .02.
KevlarTester
Member
Uh Oh, Bigotry central.
I’ll be as delicate as I possibly can; I don’t want a Label given to me either.
As a matter of convenience we try to limit the responses to a few broad categories.
Asian:
Korean, Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese....
Hispanic:
They all speak Spanish or some variation of it.
Mexican, Ecuadorian, Panamanian, Guatemalan, Brazilian, Spaniard...
Anyone from these countries isn’t white by any definition.
Although I’ll grant you that Spaniards may consider themselves white, But if you ask someone from France, Great Britain, Germany, Norway....they would beg to differ.
Anyone can call himself or herself whatever they wish.
I’ll be as delicate as I possibly can; I don’t want a Label given to me either.
As a matter of convenience we try to limit the responses to a few broad categories.
Asian:
Korean, Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese....
Hispanic:
They all speak Spanish or some variation of it.
Mexican, Ecuadorian, Panamanian, Guatemalan, Brazilian, Spaniard...
Anyone from these countries isn’t white by any definition.
Although I’ll grant you that Spaniards may consider themselves white, But if you ask someone from France, Great Britain, Germany, Norway....they would beg to differ.
Anyone can call himself or herself whatever they wish.
Except their own.
But what does that matter?
pax
All languages carry in them a portrait of their users and the idioms of every language say over and over again, 'He is a stranger and therefore a barbarian.' ... It is the only joke that God ever repeats, because its humor never grows stale. -- Robert A. Heinlein
semf
member
I disagree completely with that one. I have the right to be offended any time I feel slighted. When I'm in a private business is the only time I have the power to do anything about it.
As a lot of the bigmouth stars are finding out, One has the right to say almost anything they want, but there is sometimes a price for saying the wrong thing to wrong person.
They should be in business to make money. Driving out potential customers by showing their ignorance also shows a lack of common sense.
Ian Sean
Member
semf, OOPS! I could have worded that a little better, you are right , the point I was making is on the rights front. You enter a private business, see something that turns you off, or downright offends you, tough luck. And if I don't like the way you look or if you do something stupid or suspicious I would reserve the right not to serve you and/or ask you to leave. I hope that makes sense and is a little clearer on the point I was trying to make.
I am sure the old Marine that runs the Army Navy Surplus store in town with all his pro-military god and country stuff and bumperstickers would not be very appealing to an anti-war protester either. Personnally I don't think he cares. I like the old grump, our politics are similar, and when I need something along the lines of mil-surp, he is my first stop.
I am sure the old Marine that runs the Army Navy Surplus store in town with all his pro-military god and country stuff and bumperstickers would not be very appealing to an anti-war protester either. Personnally I don't think he cares. I like the old grump, our politics are similar, and when I need something along the lines of mil-surp, he is my first stop.
geeman
Member
White guy
I HATE white racists and I'm TERRIFIED of black racists. The former knows that he's wrong and the latter thinks he's right.
Garry
I HATE white racists and I'm TERRIFIED of black racists. The former knows that he's wrong and the latter thinks he's right.
Garry
greyhound
Member
So I went to check out "BET.com" since it was said that the messages boards contained a lot of racist stuff. I felt pretty sure the commenter was full of sand and it would be regular chat; given that BET is a major network I felt confident that they wouldn't put up with that crap.
Sweet Jeebus, was I wrong. A lot of that stuff sure isn't taking "The High Road". I feel very discouraged and kind of sad, actually.
We've got a lot of work to do to fix race relations in this country.
Sweet Jeebus, was I wrong. A lot of that stuff sure isn't taking "The High Road". I feel very discouraged and kind of sad, actually.
We've got a lot of work to do to fix race relations in this country.
O.F.Fascist
Member
On my Texas birth certificate under race I'm marked as white.
I would assume all "non-black" hispanics are marked as white aswell.
bigjim...........feeling that way is OK. I see things pretty much the same way. Wanting to be with your own kind is OK. (unless you happen to be white it seems)
What race are you?? I won't go there.
Are you a racist?? I don't know you well enough to anwser that.
If you are.........it's no biggie. Lots of people are. It just seems whites are under more scrutiny than others when the word racism comes up.
It's sort of a double standard.
That word is thrown around so much these days that it has lost much of its shock value. Its definition can be very narrow or very broad. I was once told that I have racist leanings because I am opposed to hiring quotas. If that makes me one.............so be it,I'm still against quotas.
My point is that someone's definition of racist is pretty broad. (anyone who disagrees with him on certain issues)
I've heard pres Bush called racist..................white guy...speaks Spanish...has the support of many Hispanics in Texas......has blacks (more than Clinton did) working in his admin.......appointed a couple non whites as federal judges (some of whom are being opposed by the Dems).......
.... .... ?????........I guess I just don't get it.
Being called a racist does not even faze me. This multicultural/diversity crap has become like a state religion. I don't buy it.
And I don't have white guilt.
Does that make a racist?? If it does it does.
What race are you?? I won't go there.
Are you a racist?? I don't know you well enough to anwser that.
If you are.........it's no biggie. Lots of people are. It just seems whites are under more scrutiny than others when the word racism comes up.
It's sort of a double standard.That word is thrown around so much these days that it has lost much of its shock value. Its definition can be very narrow or very broad. I was once told that I have racist leanings because I am opposed to hiring quotas. If that makes me one.............so be it,I'm still against quotas.
My point is that someone's definition of racist is pretty broad. (anyone who disagrees with him on certain issues)I've heard pres Bush called racist..................white guy...speaks Spanish...has the support of many Hispanics in Texas......has blacks (more than Clinton did) working in his admin.......appointed a couple non whites as federal judges (some of whom are being opposed by the Dems).......
....
.... ?????........I guess I just don't get it.Being called a racist does not even faze me. This multicultural/diversity crap has become like a state religion. I don't buy it.
And I don't have white guilt.
Does that make a racist?? If it does it does.- Status
