Rare Gun? or Why CSI is Stupid
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I am proud to say that I have watched exactly 15 minutes of ONE episode of JAG, and that was 14 minutes too many!
The Tomcat jock and his female companion are conducting an investigation on a carrier. The Marine guard takes them to their "stateroom" which is about the size of a basketball court and has a porthole!
That's all it took for me!
RobW
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Why bother? The whole Hollyweird is just a money making machine. Do you know why they cancel very successful shows like "Seinfeld", "Gilligan's Island", or "Everybody Loves Raymond"???
Cancelling a show at it's height, will allow you to rerun the stuff 5 to 10 times! With top dollars from advertisers, and NO dollars for new episodes. And the "me=dih=ahh" mournes the demise of the shows for years and years.
Makes it VERY profitable.
Been in this business for 20 years.
Cancelling a show at it's height, will allow you to rerun the stuff 5 to 10 times! With top dollars from advertisers, and NO dollars for new episodes. And the "me=dih=ahh" mournes the demise of the shows for years and years.
Makes it VERY profitable.
Been in this business for 20 years.
XLMiguel
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I like CSI's Gun Girl (Emily Praeger), though I liked her better as a Republican operative inside the Bartlet White House on "West Wing" (another fantasy show). Easy on the eyes and a lovely Southern *Carolina?) accent.
As many have pointed out, the bigger problem is that so many people take TV 'for real' - it's just 'entertainment' (depending on your tastes), it has little to do with rea life. Too many folks get their firearms education (among other topics) from TV. It always tickles me when I take a newbie shooting for the first time when they have that little epiphany that a .45 doesn't break your wrist or spin you around, and that it is hard to hit the bull's eye consistently even at 15', i.e. the handgun is no laser death ray, among other things.
As many have pointed out, the bigger problem is that so many people take TV 'for real' - it's just 'entertainment' (depending on your tastes), it has little to do with rea life. Too many folks get their firearms education (among other topics) from TV. It always tickles me when I take a newbie shooting for the first time when they have that little epiphany that a .45 doesn't break your wrist or spin you around, and that it is hard to hit the bull's eye consistently even at 15', i.e. the handgun is no laser death ray, among other things.
Henry Bowman
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*Texas, so I've heard.
Lo.Com.Denom
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The best one I ever saw was on "Law and Order" (er, possibly... There's so many of these shows now, I get confused...). Someone started talking about a "slide" for a MAC-10, then promptly produced a slide from a Beretta 92 as an example... 
I generally don't mind stupid mistakes like that, if the show or movie's good enough, but when it's a "procedural" show - relying on science or methodology to move the story forward - it really bugs me.
I lasted about 15 minutes with CSI Miami before some bone-headed statement about silencers put me off.
I generally don't mind stupid mistakes like that, if the show or movie's good enough, but when it's a "procedural" show - relying on science or methodology to move the story forward - it really bugs me.
I lasted about 15 minutes with CSI Miami before some bone-headed statement about silencers put me off.
in defense of this episode, by 'rare', maybe they meant amongst criminals, since they probably deal with a ton of jennings, lorcas, etc or glocks (gangbangers, duh 
), and for the transfer bar comment, maybe she mentioned that because it changed the sound "more of a slap", "too hollow"
No, I'm not really serious, just trying to think like a goofy screenwriter
), and for the transfer bar comment, maybe she mentioned that because it changed the sound "more of a slap", "too hollow" No, I'm not really serious, just trying to think like a goofy screenwriter
Ryder
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I think the GP100 probably is a rare gun in terms of criminal use. Just not rare for law abiding ownership.
I haven't hit the power button on my home TV for close to a year. I get to watch TV at work but it's not very entertaining. Local networks, cable news, and PBS. My home entertainment is a video game. Program of preferrence is WOW.
I haven't hit the power button on my home TV for close to a year. I get to watch TV at work but it's not very entertaining. Local networks, cable news, and PBS. My home entertainment is a video game. Program of preferrence is WOW.
saltydog452
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It wasn't Katrina, but there was an episode where the deceased was killed due to the wind blowing an expended bullet out of a coffee can. The lady decedent was very eco friendly and had dug her fired bullets out of a stump, saved them in a can, and the wind came, blew the bullet out of the can and into her neck..
salty.
salty.
Not totally sure if it was CSI or one of the other police dramas but I had a good laugh at one one day. I was channel surfing and happened across the show when two characters were talking about tracing the marks on casings. I don't watch the police dramas as they are generally predictable in either knowing the ending, or knowing that there will be a twist and not caring. But when talking about guns, I had to stop and see.
Anyways, as the characters are talking, I'm thinking either the scratch marks of the chamber or the breechface is what the subject was. Nope, they are talking about the identifying marks on the bottom. You mean the headstamp? Although, IIRC, they never called it a headstamp. One of the 'expert' characters then went on on how the headstamps are produced. He said that they were EDMed and they has a compter generated graphic of the EDMing process. HAHAHA. Who the heck has the money to EDM every headstamp of every cartidge they make?
I laughed, changed the channel, and reinforced my logic in not watching police dramas.
Anyways, as the characters are talking, I'm thinking either the scratch marks of the chamber or the breechface is what the subject was. Nope, they are talking about the identifying marks on the bottom. You mean the headstamp? Although, IIRC, they never called it a headstamp. One of the 'expert' characters then went on on how the headstamps are produced. He said that they were EDMed and they has a compter generated graphic of the EDMing process. HAHAHA. Who the heck has the money to EDM every headstamp of every cartidge they make?
I laughed, changed the channel, and reinforced my logic in not watching police dramas.
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That fungus
I remember that show. The offending fungus was Mucormycosis.
The thing is that it does attack a particular patient population.
Not immunosuppressed, though... diabetics.
Yeah, apparently a very high blood glucose provides a permissive environment for that fungus.
If the guy was going to suffer from a fungus which arises in the immunosuppressed, then he would suffer from Candida Albicans like an HIV patient is vulverable to.
So, the moral of the story is that their ignorance is not just borne of hoplophobia, but a general lack of homework. I shudder to think what other things they just made up as they went along.
I remember that show. The offending fungus was Mucormycosis.
The thing is that it does attack a particular patient population.
Not immunosuppressed, though... diabetics.
Yeah, apparently a very high blood glucose provides a permissive environment for that fungus.
If the guy was going to suffer from a fungus which arises in the immunosuppressed, then he would suffer from Candida Albicans like an HIV patient is vulverable to.
So, the moral of the story is that their ignorance is not just borne of hoplophobia, but a general lack of homework. I shudder to think what other things they just made up as they went along.
Working Man
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You might get a DNA match good enough to eliminate a suspect or
continue to hold one in custody in just a few hours. They take cheek cells
PCR them and then run them through a gel then match the bands (to hit the
high points). I have run the tests several times while going through my
Biotech classes.
The true BS part is that they gently touch a soft tip to the inside of the
suspect's mouth to get a sample. We used fine brushed plastic tip "scrubbers"
(for lack of a better word) to scrape off enough cells to PCR. Not exactly
gentle.
continue to hold one in custody in just a few hours. They take cheek cells
PCR them and then run them through a gel then match the bands (to hit the
high points). I have run the tests several times while going through my
Biotech classes.
The true BS part is that they gently touch a soft tip to the inside of the
suspect's mouth to get a sample. We used fine brushed plastic tip "scrubbers"
(for lack of a better word) to scrape off enough cells to PCR. Not exactly
gentle.
If you want to be entertained you sometimes have to put up with some BS. We all see stuff in movies and no TV that we know is complete fabrication. I generally pick it up when it involves guns or sometimes history. To me, being able to pick the crap out and tell others "they are full of it and here is why" is also entertainment. One obvious example I can think of is on "Sniper 2" where Tom Berenger wrongly identifies a Mosin Nagant as a Mauser. Anyone who has ever seen the two would know the difference. One little detail would have made a lot of difference.
BTW - You can tell the sound of a certain gun being cocked. I have always loved guns and I worked part time in a gun store for a little while. One day I was behind the counter and I heard someone work an action on the back side of the used rifle rack that was across from me. I couldn't see the guy. He was hidden by a rack of guns and about 20 feet away. I quickly walked around the rack and saw only one person. I asked the guy "You were looking at the Jungle Carbine, weren't you?".
He replied kind of sheepishly that he had been. The Enfield makes sort of a hollow sound when you open the action on an empty mag. Something just sort of echoes around in there. The AK and AR-15 also have distinctive sounds to me.
That part of the story is at least possible.
Aside from that, the show has at least one attractive woman who likes firearms. Where else you gonna find that on TV?
BTW - You can tell the sound of a certain gun being cocked. I have always loved guns and I worked part time in a gun store for a little while. One day I was behind the counter and I heard someone work an action on the back side of the used rifle rack that was across from me. I couldn't see the guy. He was hidden by a rack of guns and about 20 feet away. I quickly walked around the rack and saw only one person. I asked the guy "You were looking at the Jungle Carbine, weren't you?".
He replied kind of sheepishly that he had been. The Enfield makes sort of a hollow sound when you open the action on an empty mag. Something just sort of echoes around in there. The AK and AR-15 also have distinctive sounds to me.
That part of the story is at least possible.
Aside from that, the show has at least one attractive woman who likes firearms. Where else you gonna find that on TV?
Ok, I was watching CSI Maimi last night, and it was probably the stupides episode I've seen yet.
A tsunami is approaching Maimi. (Okay, that could happen in theory, but it just seems too unlikely to be a reasonable scenario for a cop show).
The city is being evacuated, and a fight breaks out in a supermarket carpark. When it calms down, two murdered bodies are found in the carpark (not the fighters - that was just a "lucky" distraction that meant no one saw the murder taking place). One of the victims (an ex con) is found to have a single high-powered ("can penetrate 15 layers of kevlar") cartridge (5.7mm) in his possession. This was enough to convince Horatio that a major heist was about to take place.
Later on, a bank is robbed. They later discover that the robbery on the ground floor of the bank was just a diversion: the actual target was the gold vault on the floor above. (The robbers were spraying their P90 "machineguns" in order to mask the sound of the explosives used to open the vault).
The gold itself had been loaded into containers with floatation bags attached, so that when the tsunami hit the bank, the water would carry it out, to be retrieved later. (I did think "How could they plan this in the 10 hours it took for the tsunami to reach Maimi?", but it later transpired that they were planning to do it when the next hurricane hit, but a tsunami just happened to occur sooner, so they used that instead).
Now, the really stupid part:
The leader of the robbers kidnapped the bank manager, and left him tied up in an old hotel that was due for demolition (by explosion). Horatio turned up two minutes before the timed explosives were due to go off. In those two minutes, he managed to drive into the hotel/its car park, and find the bank manager, with just 5 seconds left before detonation. In the remaining 5 seconds, he go out of his car, freed the bank manager, got him back into the car, and started driving (all of which took longer than 5 seconds). They, in true action-movie style, the explosives started going off sequentially, just behind Horatio's car, and at exactly the same speed that he was driving. (And then the whole building collapsed, just as he got out).
A tsunami is approaching Maimi. (Okay, that could happen in theory, but it just seems too unlikely to be a reasonable scenario for a cop show).
The city is being evacuated, and a fight breaks out in a supermarket carpark. When it calms down, two murdered bodies are found in the carpark (not the fighters - that was just a "lucky" distraction that meant no one saw the murder taking place). One of the victims (an ex con) is found to have a single high-powered ("can penetrate 15 layers of kevlar") cartridge (5.7mm) in his possession. This was enough to convince Horatio that a major heist was about to take place.
Later on, a bank is robbed. They later discover that the robbery on the ground floor of the bank was just a diversion: the actual target was the gold vault on the floor above. (The robbers were spraying their P90 "machineguns" in order to mask the sound of the explosives used to open the vault).
The gold itself had been loaded into containers with floatation bags attached, so that when the tsunami hit the bank, the water would carry it out, to be retrieved later. (I did think "How could they plan this in the 10 hours it took for the tsunami to reach Maimi?", but it later transpired that they were planning to do it when the next hurricane hit, but a tsunami just happened to occur sooner, so they used that instead).
Now, the really stupid part:
The leader of the robbers kidnapped the bank manager, and left him tied up in an old hotel that was due for demolition (by explosion). Horatio turned up two minutes before the timed explosives were due to go off. In those two minutes, he managed to drive into the hotel/its car park, and find the bank manager, with just 5 seconds left before detonation. In the remaining 5 seconds, he go out of his car, freed the bank manager, got him back into the car, and started driving (all of which took longer than 5 seconds). They, in true action-movie style, the explosives started going off sequentially, just behind Horatio's car, and at exactly the same speed that he was driving. (And then the whole building collapsed, just as he got out).
mfree
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My favorite was when a guy got shot in the head at near muzzle contact distance with a Tokarev TT-30.
They dug the bullet out of the skull on the opposite side. *boggle*
Apparently the human head is denser and allows about a third of the penetration of pine boards. Or at least the writers and producers' heads...
They dug the bullet out of the skull on the opposite side. *boggle*
Apparently the human head is denser and allows about a third of the penetration of pine boards. Or at least the writers and producers' heads...
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JamisJockey
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My favorite was the episode with the kids, semi-auto UZI, and a storage unit. They couldn't figure out how the Semi uzi had fired full auto spraying the entire room in a spherical pattern. Seems the kids had put a stick down from the roof, and were inserting the stick through the trigger gaurd, causing a bump-firing effect, and were trying to dodge the bullets as the gun ran down the stick, firing bullets in an out and down spherical pattern. One of the kids wasn't fast enough.
As someone said, it ain't reality tv. You always have to keep in mind that much of whats spewed is BS. Its just simple, mindless entertainment.
CSI Las Vegas is the better of the three, with much less agenda. The Miami and New York versions spew alot of political crap disguised as science. That, and my wife doesn't like me watching the Miami version because I drool over Emily Proctor....
Ever see a movie about your profession? Seeing one about mine (Pushing Tin) made me realize just how screwed up hollywood can get it. It really makes you realize how 'off' alot of movies and TV shows probably are. Entertaining? Sure. Accurate....not really.
As someone said, it ain't reality tv. You always have to keep in mind that much of whats spewed is BS. Its just simple, mindless entertainment.
CSI Las Vegas is the better of the three, with much less agenda. The Miami and New York versions spew alot of political crap disguised as science. That, and my wife doesn't like me watching the Miami version because I drool over Emily Proctor....
Ever see a movie about your profession? Seeing one about mine (Pushing Tin) made me realize just how screwed up hollywood can get it. It really makes you realize how 'off' alot of movies and TV shows probably are. Entertaining? Sure. Accurate....not really.
WarMachine
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This was on CSI: Vegas I believe. There was some sort of gang shootout, and one of the guns that the team recovered was a Smith and Wesson Sigma. One of the members made a little rant about how high-class the gangster's weapons were becoming
In defense of television, there are still dozens of quality programs that air everyday. I usually don't watch the mainstream spit-coms and other junk; however, the History Channel is always informative and fun (God I miss Tales of the Gun). The Discovery Channel and TLC have definitely fallen off in many aspects--home decorating everywhere--but they still put on some great programs as well from time to time. Not to mention the gun shows that pop-up between the endless hours of hunting and fishing on OLN and the Outdoor Channel.
But I agree, we need more quality progamming instead of all these "fads" that will simply fade...
In defense of television, there are still dozens of quality programs that air everyday. I usually don't watch the mainstream spit-coms and other junk; however, the History Channel is always informative and fun (God I miss Tales of the Gun). The Discovery Channel and TLC have definitely fallen off in many aspects--home decorating everywhere--but they still put on some great programs as well from time to time. Not to mention the gun shows that pop-up between the endless hours of hunting and fishing on OLN and the Outdoor Channel.
But I agree, we need more quality progamming instead of all these "fads" that will simply fade...
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