CSI Miami- Flawed?

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You guys haven't even yet mentioned the episode wherein, incredibly, upon our intrepid CSI team finding the bullet that proved fatal to its human target, the wonderful Miami-Dade PD computer database matched the bullet not only to the very pistol which fired it, but also located the owner of the pistol (an law-abiding and legal gun owner -- in Florida. no less) which had never been previously used in any crime!

I just cannot stomach the over-the-top writing of that show, with its pitiful lack of knowledge and poor research on the most basic firearms and ballistics matters, even though it looks very nice in HD on my big 50-inch plasma-screen television ...
 
Babylon 5 had more realistic science than CSI. Oh wait, they consulted with JPL for B5. It's fun to point out mistakes on CSI, and Miami is by far the best one of the bunch because of David Caruso. Every cutaway, every commercial break, every end of every conversation he has ends the same way - hand(s) on hip(s), either removing or putting on sunglasses, while slightly bent at the waist. It's hilarious. And the blonde girl is hot. Stargate is my favorite show, but I don't comment on the physics of it because it's a TV SHOW. Who cares if it's accurate? If it were a documentary on the History Channel that'd be different.
 
And the blonde girl is hot. Stargate is my favorite show, but I don't comment on the physics of it because it's a TV SHOW.

Yes, she is..the only reason I've watched th show (well, pretty much), but I haven't been recently, as its still just too bad. The NY one is even worse. Only the original is any good at all, and that only marginally so.

Ahhhh, yes. Stargate SG-1. BIG fan. AND if you accept one or 2 bits of scientific theory, they are actually very realistic in almost everything they've done, in what?, 10 or 11 seasons?
The only thing you have to accept is the fact that its possible to create a "wormhole" between planets. And current physics actually does postulate that wormholes can/do exist. Once you accept that, very little else (if anything) they've ever done on the show is beyond the realm of possibility. (Yes, they might stretch the rules a bit, but not break them.)
 
Would it really be that hard for the program producers to hire someone who knows firearms to test their scripts for authenticity?
YES, it would. 99% of their scripts would never hit the screen. There's an agenda at work, and truth doesn't further it.

It'd be like asking neo-Nazis to hire Isaac Bashevis Singer to edit the National Vanguard.
 
I have watched this show twice and found it (both times) to be the most idiotic show I have ever seen on TV. Why would anybody watch this crap?! And then admit to watching it?
 
They Aren't Trying To Be Accurate

I saw one recently where they said they couldn't trace the gun because the serial numbers had been filed off, but if I zoomed in (HDTV) I could actually READ the serial number on the gun they were testing!

It's TV. Disable disbelief and enjoy.

ChickenHawk
 
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Ahhhh, yes. Stargate SG-1. BIG fan. AND if you accept one or 2 bits of scientific theory, they are actually very realistic in almost everything they've done, in what?, 10 or 11 seasons?
The only thing you have to accept is the fact that its possible to create a "wormhole" between planets. And current physics actually does postulate that wormholes can/do exist. Once you accept that, very little else (if anything) they've ever done on the show is beyond the realm of possibility. (Yes, they might stretch the rules a bit, but not break them.)
LOL, absolutely, if you don't count zat guns, the gou'auld, hyperjumps, transporters, energy shields, the Ori, and the fact that Carter can solve any puzzle in 20 minutes which should reasonably take lifetimes.

Great show, though. I obviously watch it! :)

May the force be with you,
ChickenHawk

oops, wrong quote :evil:
 
The writers on that show, and in fact the whole CSI/LaW & Order franchise, are mostly burned-out hacks from the wonderful world of magazine journalism. TV work pays ten times what they could ever have made in print. They know NOTHING about firearms, forensics, or any kind of science, and there's nothing motivating them to seek an education in these fields. This isn't heresay or opinion. I too am a former magazine journalist, and I know some of them personally/professionally.
 
CSI:Eye Candy

Calleigh Duquesne (played by Emily Procter), the blond girl, is one good reason to put up with the other problems.

Alexx Woods (played by Khandi Alexander) is also a very, very good reason.

The detective that was married to the Caine character's brother was yet another.

Oh, there's a storyline too?:neener:

(edited to add reasons for CSI and CSI:NY)
Marg Hellgenberger
Melina Kanakaredes

Where's the 'drool' smiley?
 
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TV = electronic theater, dumbed down to the LCD (lowest common denominator) audience. Theater assumes suspension of belief in order to work. Entertainment is in the eye of the beholder. CSI Miami is flashy/trashy 'entertainment' on network TV - you get what you pay for, eh?:neener:
 
Are you all trying to tell me my TV has lied to me all of these years?

TV: My teacher,my mother, my secret lover.
 
Such a great Idea ruined by so many flaws,

SUCH AS Emily proctor ID's a gun by the sound it made when the guy cocked it against the back of her head. "It's a Ruger, and they are rare"

Evidence they gathered gives them a chance to take down a Rendezvous of kingpins. Who leads the SWAT team on the take down, the CSI scientists. NOT wearing body armor.

Caruso gets shot at, shoots back and hits one guy, other guy takes off running so as Caruso walks past the wounded man on the pavement he kicks the gun away, and then fires a Coup d' grace into the BG's head as he walks past. Gee, ya think CSI would notice the bullet smashed to bits on the pavement behind his head?

Speed who gets killed off in a shoot out, is found with a faulty pistol blamed to some degree on bad maintenace, The gun is SIG.

Guy shoots a man in a public square and they use some film from a TV reporter to prove a third shooter, by relying on sound echos.

Cash strapped PD pops for Hummer2's for CSI vehicles.

CSI Caruso orders around FBI and USDoS guys on an offshore bust.
 
The weird starkly-illuminated offices they inhabit is the giveaway. The whole show is a surreal, life-size comicbook story on video. I'm surprised they don't have people jumping between buildings and lifting automobiles.
 
panthera thats not the point in my opinion the problem is that some (a lot) of people watch this stuff and think its real and that is what needs to change.

Well, you folks might be interested in a recent debate that flared up because of a TV drama called 'Holby City' here in the UK. Basically, it is similar to ER, but is a BBC drama.
The problem came about when a radiographer wrote in to a medical imaging publication about a scene in Holby City where a nurse accompanied a patient into the gantry of a CT scanner to comfort the patient during the scan. Of course this would never happen in real life because the nurse would be irradiated and there are other technical issues to do with positioning too. Anyway, the radiographer who complained about this was concerned that the general public would assume that such practise is routine, and that nervous patients would demand that relatives or staff members accompany them into the CT scanner.

Now before I tell you more about this, I must give you some background about my relationship with the BBC and Holby City. In 2001 they were filming an episode of Holby City wherein a lead character in the show, a doctor, was the victim of a road rage incident and got shot in that altercation. The script called for the bullet to be located in close proximity to the spine, dangerously close to the abdominal aorta. The BBC approached a consultant radiologist at a large London academic hospital, to produce a radiograph (a prop X-ray film) showing this bullet in the required location. They sent the actual bullet via courier and gave him two weeks to produce the radiograph.
By chance, I happened to be walking past the reporting room and saw the radiologist holding this bullet up to a lightbox where he had an abdominal radiograph on view. He had a darkroom technician with him and various films where they had attempted to superimpose this bullet onto the film. None of these looked real. They looked like cutouts and clearly were not suitable. I asked them what they were doing and they told me the whole story. The BBC had even supplied the relevant parts of the script so that the use of the radiograph could be better understood. After a discussion between the three of us it was clear that the radiologist and the darkroom technician had tried all the tricks they knew, and were no closer to achieving a usable film. I offered to give it a go.

Now to cut a long story short, I was able to make that film by using analogue compositing, and I ended up with a film where you could not tell that the bullet had been added in afterwards. The bullet in question was a cast lead .45 with a modest hollow point that had been filled with a red epoxy resin (or similar) so that it retained an ogive, but the point was red.
The story was that the doctor got shot and the bullet was in a very difficult place to access surgically. The drama and tension was derived from the fact that the doctor's own colleague had to operate on him to retrieve this bullet. To further add to the tension, according to the script, it would be discovered at some point during the operation that this bullet was explosive upon contact with air. So there was a big deal made about keeping this bullet submerged in water so that this explosive red compound in the nose would not come into contact wih air.
Now, because you can't see a hollow point cavity on an unexpanded bullet on a radiograph, the X-ray film that I provided showed an ordinary bullet ogive with a slightly flattened tip. It was not exciting, radiologically. So the BBC hand-drew with a graphite pencil, the cavity in the nose of this bullet. I noticed it when the show aired, because I taped it. So clearly they needed props that would enhance the drama and were not concerned with producing a documentary or scientifically-correct programme.

And this is what I pointed out, when I wrote my letter to that same radiographic publication. I told them it was a bit much to expect the ordinary citizen to expect hospital procedures to be learned from a TV drama with a medical flavour. In the end that's all it is. It is a bit like judging nuclear power plant safety procedures by the behaviour of Homer Simpson.

And that is my take on CSI. It is a drama with a forensic flavour. If they religiously stuck to the procedures that are carried out today in crime labs in the US, they wouldn't have an exciting show and they would have to pay many more actors and actresses to take on the variety of work roles in the lab. Some of the investigative techniques in CSI are correct, and some are not typical or are imbued with a dollop of dramatic license. For more details on this check out this link from FirearmsID:

http://www.firearmsid.com/Feature Articles/crimeTV/crimeTV.htm

And that is what we have to focus on. The same applies to Holby City. Now if somebody comes along and demands or expects real life incidents to follow what they see on a TV drama, then that is their problem, not the problem of the TV show. These shows do not present themsleves as documentaries.

There is far more danger in the production of propaganda pieces that masquerade as documentaries, such as anything that fat turd Michael Moore does, or several BBC Panorama epsiodes that were clearly researched by morons or somebody with an agenda.

In conclusion I would say give these shows a break. They are entertainment, not fact. There are far more damaging publications and programmes masquerading as documentaries/fact for us to worry about. Just open the newspaper and watch the news.
 
I've always thought CSI should be called BSI. They are always able to solve the crime because they completley make up the conditions, technology and facts surrounding the case they are investigating.
 
You catch the gun errors because you are a gun afficcianado. Most of the writers aren't. Talk to anybody who is an enthusiast about anything remotely technical from aviation to zymurgy and he'll tell you that TV and novels never get it right. No agenda at work. Just the fact that scriptwriters are working against a clock, don't have all-encompassing technical knowledge, and have a primary requirement to produce a script that is entertaining and will garner high ratings.
 
I scream at the TV everytime I see one of the "investigators" get some street camera/atm camera/store camera image and manage to magically zoom in to see precisely what specks of dust is on their right ear lobe or something retarded of that nature. Or when they access some database/hack into a system and there's a big green button that says "CLICK HERE TO DO WHAT YOU WANT" or "CLICK HERE TO HACK NSA". They click on the shiny big button and everything pops up in nice pretty pictures with important things flashing red and the tech guy just sits smuggly like he/she personally attempted some great feat by pushing a button :what:.

The "Hackers" movie series infuriates me more than CSI, but I tolerate half the BS (probably because I don't know enough to call half of it) in CSI just because it's entertaining....kinda like Fox NEWS... Oh yeah..I just went there :neener: !
 
Don't forget when they have street shots in Miami and while driving and suddenly pull up to a house somewhere in LA!
 
Sheesh,it's a TV show.You're a gun nerd so the gun errors leap out at you;were you heavily into cosmetics,animal behavior,chemistry,photography or awhatever else,the errors made in those fields would also be glaringly obvious but it's still just a show,made for entertainment.It's the stupidity of the American viewing public that leads people to believe that the technology and techniques are real but WTH,there are still thousands of people that think wrestling and televangelists aren't just actors too.

My main beef with CSI is lightswitches.Not as dramatic as a Surefire held above ones shoulder but usually a bit more effective.I don't regularly watch CSI but occasionally catch it and the ever *worse* Bones on Fox,where you'd be led to believe that autopsies are carried out in the middle of warehouse with plenty of staging and inadequate lighting.
 
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