PT92
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I have seen the first story before. My Beretta 21A will never serve as my primary CCW but I have utter Confidence in its BUG capacity (out of a longer barrel and the game significantly changes in my view).
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Reality vs Fantasy: the case for .22 Carry
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MCgunner
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I always have an NAA as back up in .22LR. I have a .22 mag Black Widow for those times when nothing larger will do.
Lots of good stuff here, humorous too. A man should carry what he wants but first should familiarize himself of the capabilities of his choice. The military got rid of the .38 spl. because it did not do the job. I hope the advice given here is well taken. I would not see anyone put himself or anyone in harms way.
amd6547
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"...The military got rid of the .38 spl. because it did not do the job..."
Wrong.
Wrong.
Mike1234567
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Yeah... dat's da' ticket... .38spl can't do da' job so let's try .22LR. Yeah... dat's da' ticket.
Great title for your thread. The fantasy is that you think you're well protected with a .22, and the reality is that you're not. There is a reason that SWAT teams don't carry Buckmarks. There is a reason the USMC doesn't use 10/22s--yes, their rifle is nominally a .22 caliber, but it's doing better than mach 3. The reason is that .22s don't reliably stop people in the circumstances that we are likely to face.
Yes, it's true, most murders happen with a .22. They are typically execution style, two shots to the back of the head on a kneeling victim. Don't be an idiot. A lot of the time with a 9mm, 40 or 45 the bad guy doesn't give any indication that he's been hit, even while he is busy dying.
As far as your shooting ability, try this; have a buddy randomly place 3 numbered IDPA targets in front of you with your eyes closed. Have him yell "threat" to start, you open your eyes, draw and he calls out the number of the bad guy. Give yourself a par time of 2 seconds to get as many rounds off as you can (with the draw included).
Then do this. When he yells threat, open your eyes, and move laterally fast while drawing. Again, give yourself 2 whole seconds for as many hits as you can get until he yells stop.
I predict that those exercises will be an eye opening and depressing reality check for you.
Yes, it's true, most murders happen with a .22. They are typically execution style, two shots to the back of the head on a kneeling victim. Don't be an idiot. A lot of the time with a 9mm, 40 or 45 the bad guy doesn't give any indication that he's been hit, even while he is busy dying.
As far as your shooting ability, try this; have a buddy randomly place 3 numbered IDPA targets in front of you with your eyes closed. Have him yell "threat" to start, you open your eyes, draw and he calls out the number of the bad guy. Give yourself a par time of 2 seconds to get as many rounds off as you can (with the draw included).
Then do this. When he yells threat, open your eyes, and move laterally fast while drawing. Again, give yourself 2 whole seconds for as many hits as you can get until he yells stop.
I predict that those exercises will be an eye opening and depressing reality check for you.
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Mike1234567
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^^^ I think the OP gets that.
22-rimfire
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It would be for me, but I'm not particularly concerned about defending myself on a daily basis with a firearm. I carry when I "need to" and I'm sure that I'm slow. But you know, I don't care. It simply is not one of my interests. Defending myself is important, but if I can deploy my gun in under five seconds, I'm satisfied. I said "deploy" not shoot.
bigfatdave
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incorrect
The cartridge you are thinking of is the obsolete .38S&W
and it was replaced with .45colt (often referred to as "long colt" now) in a soft lead projectile
none of that has a bit of bearing on modern defensive ammunition choices ... while historically interesting, I really don't care about the military handgun choices of the 19th century, their handgun was not their primary weapon, they did not choose their individual weaponry, and they had simply awful choices of projectiles and velocities
JRH6856
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And that makes no sense at all
22-rimfire
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MicroTecniqs... And why is that? Do I have to spend hundreds of dollars tying to find the right holster and to practice my draw to shave seconds off my draw time to please internet gun folks? I also do not want to have to dress around a gun just to be able to conceal it effectively. I don't have the interest. I am more interested in the guns and shooting them recreationally.
I have never had to draw a gun to defend myself. I don't expect that will change. When I am in certain parts of town, I always carry. It is enough to know that I can. If I am a little slow, that's the breaks. My decisions and my life. That includes choosing a 22LR for self defense if I want to.
I have never had to draw a gun to defend myself. I don't expect that will change. When I am in certain parts of town, I always carry. It is enough to know that I can. If I am a little slow, that's the breaks. My decisions and my life. That includes choosing a 22LR for self defense if I want to.
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JRH6856
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22-rimfire...As you say, your decisions and your life. How or why you choose to defend it or not is up to you. I haven't needed to use a gun to defend myself for at least 25 years. What I have used is common sense. I don't go to places where I think I may need a gun. Going somewhere that I know is dangerous enough that I am in condition Orange before I get there makes no sense to me. I don't have a gun because I expect trouble, I have a gun because trouble has a way of appearing when and where it isn't expected.
thefamcnaj
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I hate to see people calling the op a troll. He came with his view point, and his thoughts as to how he arrived at his view point.
I'm still learning daily, for example I started off with the .40 for no other reason than my own dumb uneducated reasoning. I got quite good with it, but soon realized I made faster more accurate follow up shots with my g19.
Then I filled it with with hornady critical defense because my know it all shooting buddy said there were great. After reading here and else where I decided 115gr 9mm wasn't my cup of tea. So now I have the pdx1 +p loads in it.
My point being people have to learn, I went around the world to finally decide on what I felt was the perfect carry system for me.
I do hope the op will consider some other options out there. How ever on the other hand I wish my anti gun Mother(well not really "anti", just scared and unwilling to learn) would allow a .22 to rest on her night stand at night or in her purse. It would be better than nothing at all, which is what the op has "atleast something" rather than nothing.
I'm still learning daily, for example I started off with the .40 for no other reason than my own dumb uneducated reasoning. I got quite good with it, but soon realized I made faster more accurate follow up shots with my g19.
Then I filled it with with hornady critical defense because my know it all shooting buddy said there were great. After reading here and else where I decided 115gr 9mm wasn't my cup of tea. So now I have the pdx1 +p loads in it.
My point being people have to learn, I went around the world to finally decide on what I felt was the perfect carry system for me.
I do hope the op will consider some other options out there. How ever on the other hand I wish my anti gun Mother(well not really "anti", just scared and unwilling to learn) would allow a .22 to rest on her night stand at night or in her purse. It would be better than nothing at all, which is what the op has "atleast something" rather than nothing.
bigfatdave
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GRIZ22, you're right, I brain-farted that one somehow
Of course, the .38LC is even more obsolete than the .38S&W ... and neither is 9x19luger/para/nato or even .38sp
.38lc has similar energy to .380acp (in a comparable load) and would have been a soft lead round-nose bullet.
Of course, the .38LC is even more obsolete than the .38S&W ... and neither is 9x19luger/para/nato or even .38sp
.38lc has similar energy to .380acp (in a comparable load) and would have been a soft lead round-nose bullet.
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Carrying "when you need to" is GREAT! If you know when that's going to be. I need to know where you got your crystal ball that glows red in imminent threat situations--I need one. Further, if you think you're going to need to carry somewhere, WHY GO THERE??? I don't go where I think I'll need to have a gun to get out alive, but sometimes those places come to find me, so I carry all the time.
22-rimfire
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Part of the job. We all make our choices. Carrying a gun all the time is a pain. We all make our own decisions and we live by those decisions. There is no insurance policy that exists that guarantees that I will be alive tomorrow let alone next year.
*NOVA*
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Part of your job is going to dangerous places? On a regular basis? Hmmm...
fallout mike
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I work in the worst neighborhoods on a regular basis as well. Part of the job. I don't carry a .22. I would not feel comfortable depending on one. I carry a .45.
LawofThirds
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Why bother with a seat belt, this twine works just as well.
Why bother with a lock on your home's door, this box of cat litter behind the door will stop it from opening.
But hey, it's your life, your decision. Doesn't mean it's a good one.
Why bother with a lock on your home's door, this box of cat litter behind the door will stop it from opening.
But hey, it's your life, your decision. Doesn't mean it's a good one.
JustinJ
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It doesn't concern me so much that people have survived gun shots to the head with a .22 as people have survived larger calibers as well. What concerns me is that there some who didn't even know they were shot after taking a .22 to the head.
In reality, most attackers will actually run if being shot at with any firearm, ecspecially if hit. But some wont so if i'm going to bother to carry in the first place i want a gun that can succesfully be used against as many threats as possible, within reason.
In reality, most attackers will actually run if being shot at with any firearm, ecspecially if hit. But some wont so if i'm going to bother to carry in the first place i want a gun that can succesfully be used against as many threats as possible, within reason.
PT92
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amd6547
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Well, the PT22 I owned briefly was a total fail...inferior in every way to the Beretta Bobcat that replaced it (while the PT22 was at Taurus for warranty before I sold it).
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