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Debate on S.659 starts in 30 minutes and the critical cloture vote is 90 minutes away. Would those of you with access to CSPAN be interested in giving the play-by-play in this thread for those of us who don't have access to streaming media?
 
There is a play by play at ARFCOM, debate was delayed until 9:45am, cloture vote still scheduled for 10:30am (good for us - less time to propose crap amendments)

Antis currently ranting about Columbine etc. (probably a bad sign, shows they aren't worried about time - so either they already have amendments ready to go, they know we won't get cloture vote, or they know they are going to lose and are just posturing for the folks at home).
 
Ted Kennedy...

is ranting at 09:22 CT.:fire: ill will prevent families of DC snipers to redress... gun shows will forever be exempted.....more regulations for toy guns than real guns.... Americans believe gun mfgs and dealers should be held to account...

Now 5 mins till cloture
 
Larry Craig ...

using the last 5 mins to defend the bill. Defend the mfg's who produce the weapons our warriors use in fighting our enemies. Most other products we fuss about were not invented when Constitution was written..guns were
 
Hangon... procedure impaired here.

They're voting on "cloture" right now which just closes the bill for debate right? THEN there is an immediate vote yay/nay on passage of it, right?

Does an "Aye" vote for cloture generally mean an aye vote for passage or what? I'm a little confused and not watching CSPAN... just reading this thread.
 
http://www.senate.gov/reference/glossary_term/cloture.htm

cloture - The only procedure by which the Senate can vote to place a time limit on consideration of a bill or other matter, and thereby overcome a filibuster. Under the cloture rule (Rule XXII), the Senate may limit consideration of a pending matter to 30 additional hours, but only by vote of three-fifths of the full Senate, normally 60 votes.
 
Here is a good simple discussion of what cloture does:
http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cach...8-424.pdf+Senate+Rules+Cloture&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

If cloture is invoked, there is a 30-hour limit on debate and then there must be a vote. The Senate Chair (Senator Frist) has the power to determine whether amendments are germane to the original bill and can declare them "out of order" and nobody can protest. Also, only amendments filed before cloture was invoked can be considered - however the normal deadline for filing amendments would give them until 1pm today and I'm not sure if this vote would cut off that deadline.
 
Larry Craig...

now explaining and defending the bill, calling for a vote. Flogging the drunk driver analogy. Citing House passage of similar bill last year by 2 to 1 margin.

Anti-gun activists trying to create new avenues to harass legal business. Bill does not lock the courthouse door, simply helps keep dockets clear.
 
Cloture by that large a margin is encouraging. Unless there's a cloakroom deal afoot, I think this means that 75 senators are in favor of this bill without amendment. Frist can still screw it up, though. I don't get it with John Warner: yesterday he was in the sty with feinstein; today he votes for cloture. I guess my correspondence this morning scared him witless.
Dear Senator Warner:
I am shocked and appalled to hear that you are not only supporting, but
sponsoring renewal of, the Clinton's so-called assault weapons ban. This
demonstrably ineffective legislation will do nothing to reduce crime in the
Old Dominion, and it will at best inconvenience, and at worst imprison,
law-abiding citizens who own or buy a weapon with certain cosmetic features arbitrarily banned.


Senator, I and my wife, along with many of our friends and acquaintances in
Northern Virginia and the Northern Neck have been long-time supporters of
you and the Republican Party in Virginia. If you forsake us now and join the
flaming left wing of the Hollywood elite, that support WILL cease to exist
overnight. I most respectfully ask you to consider seriously the corrosive
effect your misguided support for this sham legislation will have at the
polls. I assure you: my friends and associates do vote and we are watching
your actions on this issue closely.
>
Respectfully Yours,

[Leatherneck]
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:D :D :D

TC
TFL Survivor
 
Thumper, short of some schoolyard tragedy, I think this is it for the antis. This was their make or break moment. They can still try but this was their best shot.

Once cloture is invoked, they can't add new amendments to S.1805. However, depending on how you read the rules, they may still have until 1pm today to file any amendments (assuming that the actual vote doesn't happen before then).

When we are past that deadline with no new amendments proposed or the bill passed as-is, we will know for sure whether they broke or not.
 
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