7/29/05 - Senate S.397 Discussion

[RavenVT100]

Schumer: "I support the Second Amendment."

 

[CTRL-ALT-DEL]

Thanks Matt.

 

[Bartholomew Roberts]

Craig points out that last year even Fraternal Order of Police opposed Corzine's bill exempting law enforcement. Corzine points out that this year they haven't taken any public stance. Craig retorts with the name of an FOP bigwig that Senators can call if they want to hear it from the horse's mouth.

Voice vote on Corzine - Amendment shot down in flames.

 

[Kurush]

Corzine was defeated on a voice vote.

 

[GLOCK19XDSC]

Schumer: "I support the 2nd amendment, but no amendment is absolute." Riiiight. :banghead:

 

[Nightfall]

Voice vote on Corzine amendment, it is defeated.

 

[CTRL-ALT-DEL]

Schumer: "I support the Second Amendment."

WOW, what a whopper, Chuckie will smoke a big turd in hades for that one.

 

[TrybalRage]

Fearmongering. Just think, while filling up your car...

 

[Nightfall]

Reed: My amdt has the purpose to support the right of individuals who have been harmed. It embraces the principle of the law. S.397 sweeps away rights of individuals and municipalities. I am reluctant to change law and practice, but I propose we step back and eliminate suits by municipalities, by keep suits by individuals. Repeats that there is no crisis. This law will deny ordinary people their voice in court when they've been harmed. People are being shot because of criminal negligence. This legislation would bar the door to court houses for real people. Talks about the same cases we've heard over and over, DC snipers. I love the part about the girl who was shot by the Bushmaster assault rifle, with no mention of the man behind the trigger.

 

[NCGUN]

Ok, assuming that the REED Amend is defeated... this would be over. But, is there anything that could undo any of these Amendments.. or is this set in stone?

 

[armoredman]

Imagine how much fun this would be if we didn't have a clear majority here....

 

[RavenVT100]

Is Reed telling the truth? Wouldn't S.397 fail to cover a dealer who was indeed negligent in selling a gun to a felon?

I think what the underlying theme here is that yeah, the people who are really committing crimes are being negligent. But they don't have any money. Gun companies have money. And that's why they're targeted with suits.

 

[MasterPiece Arms.com]

Corzine is running for New Jersey Governor. He has promised to make New Jersey the first "gun free" state. This guy is most likely on par, or to the left of, Kennedy. And he is much smarter.

Corzine has appeared for some time to be the Council on Foreign Relation's point man in the Senate, even higher in seniority than Di Fi. Calling Corzine smarter is a two edged sword. He appears smarter because of above mentioned senority, added with DEEP behind the scenes support from the establishment. Instead of calling him 'smarter' I call him 'better connected,' because a lot of CFR members are just useful idiots. Most CFR members don't rize in senority to become knowing conspirators like Corzine. The ones that are let into the CFR's deeper confidence are extremely evil (no surprise there).

 

[Dan from MI]

I'm not celebrating until this passes the Senate without any bad amendments, survives the conference committee, passes again, and is signed by Bush without anything bad.

 

[Nightfall]

Reed: Says the exceptions have been carefully crafted to keep real current cases from getting to court. We will see more reckless behavior because of this legislation. Complains about Lautenberg amendment failed. To those without CSPAN, I envy you.

 

[ClonaKilty]

Reed claims that the exceptions to 397 have been "carefully crafted" to disallow suits against negligent dealers.

 

[nico]

Hutchinson (sp?) gets my respect for calling Malvo and Muhamad what they are:
Serial Killers. Anybody wanna trade her for Mikulski?

 

[ClonaKilty]

KBH: succinctly and clearly shows that the bill DOES allow lawsuits against negligent dealers. Took her <5 minutes to retort.

Reed: basically says it is his own legal opinion that the legit. lawsuits wouldn't make it to court under 397.

 

[Nightfall]

Hutchison: This is a complete substitute for the bill, and guts it. It does exactly the opposite of the bill's purpose. Reed mentioned some terrible situations, regarding the DC snipers, and said they would not be able to sue the dealer. In fact he was found to have violated the laws, and his license was revoked. Under our bill, those people would be able to sue. Everything we have been working on all day would be reversed under this amdt. We're not here to bar legit lawsuits, for malfunctions. We're trying to stop gun mfgs for having answer lawsuit after lawsuit for criminal use of their product. Calls for seeing through Reed amdt.

Reed: S.397 would prevent AG or State Legislature from authorizing suit, etc. Same complaints.

 

[Ironbarr]

Dan...

She "didn't vote" - time expired.

(Unless I missed it - though I was paying attention.)
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(I hope)

 

[ClonaKilty]

Debate is over, calling roll now. Standby.

 

[Dan from MI]

Ironbarr - I'll have to look at the roll call to see if I misheard. I thought she was one of the first to vote in that long list of "in the affirmative". If she didn't vote, I'm going to have even more fun with my letter to the editor for chickening out about a year before election after voting for a ban in 2004.

 

[ClonaKilty]

CRUSHED! It's gone. Standby for official tally.

 

[txgho1911]

Kennedy Amd typo?

00217 29-Jul S. 397 On the Amendment S.Amdt. 1615 Agreed to Kennedy Amdt. No. 1615; To expand the definition of armor piercing ammunition and for other purposes.

This doesn't look crushed.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/vote_menu_109_1.htm

Tell the pond scum to take a picture.

 

[Dan from MI]

That's GOT to be a typo. It lost 65-34(approx) on CSPAN.