ClonaKilty
Member
WOOHOO!
65 for
31 against
We finally did it!
65 for
31 against
We finally did it!
7/29/05 - Senate S.397 Discussion
- Thread starter Bartholomew Roberts
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Congrats guys...score one for our side. Let's give it a bit and then hit the sporting clause.
The wife and I are going out to eat at a fancy restaurant to celebrate. Ok, so we've got a gift certificate from Christmas...but that's cool.
The wife and I are going out to eat at a fancy restaurant to celebrate. Ok, so we've got a gift certificate from Christmas...but that's cool.
sturmruger
Member
I guess that is a go then!! I bet all of the gun manufacturers are happy as can be. I bet Rugers stock goes up tomorow.
SmershAgent
Member
How long after it's signed until the Bradys take it to court?
armoredman
Member
Now, we reconcile the Senate and House version, and hope that the anti's don't slip some stuff in there, or hope someone like Ron Paul DOES slip in a repeal of NFA 34 or GCA 68....
ClonaKilty
Member
Celebration indeed, not quite as nice as the AWB expiring but good nonetheless. We'll open that nice bottle of wine tonight.
OK, I gotta go running now, been putting it off while I watched this.
OK, I gotta go running now, been putting it off while I watched this.
bg
Member
Now to throw a wrench in the gears...What amendments were added,
and will the Pres sign it ? What happens if he doesn't ?
Still and all finally we get a win !
and will the Pres sign it ? What happens if he doesn't ?
Still and all finally we get a win !
NCGUN
Member
Now if we can just get the Corzine and Craig voting record up
sumpnz
Member
Maybe I'll buy that Sig P245 this weekend in celebration (think the wife will buy that excuse?).
We've got ‘em on the run! 
A final word... don't forget to write your Senators regarding their votes, and be particularly warm and supportive to those who voted correctly throughout this process. You get more flies with honey than vinegar, and all that.
And now, I am going to avoid typing for a couple days.
A final word... don't forget to write your Senators regarding their votes, and be particularly warm and supportive to those who voted correctly throughout this process. You get more flies with honey than vinegar, and all that.
And now, I am going to avoid typing for a couple days.
Dan from MI
Member
The bill passed. Woo hoo.
No thanks to Lenin and Stab.
No thanks to Lenin and Stab.
Bartholomew Roberts
Member
There were three amendments added:
1) An alternate amendment to the Kennedy amendment by Sen. Craig that proposes to study the issue of armor piercing ammo and enhance the penalties for using AP ammo in crime. Text of amendment not yet available but likely the same as that offered last year.
2) An alternate amendment to the Lautenberg amendment by Sen. Craig To protect the rights of children who are victimized by crime to secure compensation from those who participate in the arming of criminals. Text of amendment not yet available.
3) An amendment by Sen. Reed that FFLs must provide a secure gun storage device with handguns. Discussion and text of bill is here.
The President has already indicated he will sign it.
1) An alternate amendment to the Kennedy amendment by Sen. Craig that proposes to study the issue of armor piercing ammo and enhance the penalties for using AP ammo in crime. Text of amendment not yet available but likely the same as that offered last year.
2) An alternate amendment to the Lautenberg amendment by Sen. Craig To protect the rights of children who are victimized by crime to secure compensation from those who participate in the arming of criminals. Text of amendment not yet available.
3) An amendment by Sen. Reed that FFLs must provide a secure gun storage device with handguns. Discussion and text of bill is here.
The President has already indicated he will sign it.
All three amendments that passed can easily be stripped out in conference.
They do nothing.
Well actually I support putting criminals to death who kill with AP ammo.
But they are really meaningless.
You notice we got 65 votes for final passage.
We had 61 cosponsors.
Ya think those two amendments attracted some extra support? You bet!
They do nothing.
Well actually I support putting criminals to death who kill with AP ammo.
But they are really meaningless.
You notice we got 65 votes for final passage.
We had 61 cosponsors.
Ya think those two amendments attracted some extra support? You bet!
Andrew Rothman
Member
Final roll call vote:
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X=no vote
N Akaka (D-HI),
Y Alexander (R-TN),
Y Allard (R-CO),
Y Allen (R-VA),
Y Baucus (D-MT),
N Bayh (D-IN),
Y Bennett (R-UT),
N Biden (D-DE),
N Bingaman (D-NM),
Y Bond (R-MO),
N Boxer (D-CA),
Y Brownback (R-KS),
Y Bunning (R-KY),
Y Burns (R-MT),
Y Burr (R-NC),
Y Byrd (D-WV),
N Cantwell (D-WA),
N Carper (D-DE),
N Chafee (R-RI),
Y Chambliss (R-GA),
N Clinton (D-NY),
Y Coburn (R-OK),
Y Cochran (R-MS),
Y Coleman (R-MN),
Y Collins (R-ME),
Y Conrad (D-ND),
Y Cornyn (R-TX),
N Corzine (D-NJ),
Y Craig (R-ID),
Y Crapo (R-ID),
N Dayton (D-MN),
Y DeMint (R-SC),
N DeWine (R-OH),
N Dodd (D-CT),
Y Dole (R-NC),
Y Domenici (R-NM),
Y Dorgan (D-ND),
N Durbin (D-IL),
Y Ensign (R-NV),
Y Enzi (R-WY),
N Feingold (D-WI),
X Feinstein (D-CA),
Y Frist (R-TN),
Y Graham (R-SC),
Y Grassley (R-IA),
Y Gregg (R-NH),
Y Hagel (R-NE),
N Harkin (D-IA),
Y Hatch (R-UT),
Y Hutchison (R-TX),
Y Inhofe (R-OK),
N Inouye (D-HI),
Y Isakson (R-GA),
Y Jeffords (I-VT),
Y Johnson (D-SD),
N Kennedy (D-MA),
N Kerry (D-MA),
Y Kohl (D-WI),
Y Kyl (R-AZ),
Y Landrieu (D-LA),
N Lautenberg (D-NJ),
N Leahy (D-VT),
N Levin (D-MI),
N Lieberman (D-CT),
Y Lincoln (D-AR),
Y Lott (R-MS),
Y Lugar (R-IN),
Y Martinez (R-FL),
Y McCain (R-AZ),
Y McConnell (R-KY),
N Mikulski (D-MD),
Y Murkowski (R-AK),
N Murray (D-WA),
Y Nelson (D-FL),
Y Nelson (D-NE),
N Obama (D-IL),
Y Pryor (D-AR),
N Reed (D-RI),
Y Reid (D-NV),
X Roberts (R-KS),
Y Rockefeller (D-WV),
Y Salazar (D-CO),
Y Santorum (R-PA),
N Sarbanes (D-MD),
N Schumer (D-NY),
Y Sessions (R-AL),
Y Shelby (R-AL),
X Smith (R-OR),
Y Snowe (R-ME),
Y Specter (R-PA),
N Stabenow (D-MI),
Y Stevens (R-AK),
X Sununu (R-NH),
Y Talent (R-MO),
Y Thomas (R-WY),
Y Thune (R-SD),
Y Vitter (R-LA),
Y Voinovich (R-OH),
Y Warner (R-VA),
N Wyden (D-OR),
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X=no vote
N Akaka (D-HI),
Y Alexander (R-TN),
Y Allard (R-CO),
Y Allen (R-VA),
Y Baucus (D-MT),
N Bayh (D-IN),
Y Bennett (R-UT),
N Biden (D-DE),
N Bingaman (D-NM),
Y Bond (R-MO),
N Boxer (D-CA),
Y Brownback (R-KS),
Y Bunning (R-KY),
Y Burns (R-MT),
Y Burr (R-NC),
Y Byrd (D-WV),
N Cantwell (D-WA),
N Carper (D-DE),
N Chafee (R-RI),
Y Chambliss (R-GA),
N Clinton (D-NY),
Y Coburn (R-OK),
Y Cochran (R-MS),
Y Coleman (R-MN),
Y Collins (R-ME),
Y Conrad (D-ND),
Y Cornyn (R-TX),
N Corzine (D-NJ),
Y Craig (R-ID),
Y Crapo (R-ID),
N Dayton (D-MN),
Y DeMint (R-SC),
N DeWine (R-OH),
N Dodd (D-CT),
Y Dole (R-NC),
Y Domenici (R-NM),
Y Dorgan (D-ND),
N Durbin (D-IL),
Y Ensign (R-NV),
Y Enzi (R-WY),
N Feingold (D-WI),
X Feinstein (D-CA),
Y Frist (R-TN),
Y Graham (R-SC),
Y Grassley (R-IA),
Y Gregg (R-NH),
Y Hagel (R-NE),
N Harkin (D-IA),
Y Hatch (R-UT),
Y Hutchison (R-TX),
Y Inhofe (R-OK),
N Inouye (D-HI),
Y Isakson (R-GA),
Y Jeffords (I-VT),
Y Johnson (D-SD),
N Kennedy (D-MA),
N Kerry (D-MA),
Y Kohl (D-WI),
Y Kyl (R-AZ),
Y Landrieu (D-LA),
N Lautenberg (D-NJ),
N Leahy (D-VT),
N Levin (D-MI),
N Lieberman (D-CT),
Y Lincoln (D-AR),
Y Lott (R-MS),
Y Lugar (R-IN),
Y Martinez (R-FL),
Y McCain (R-AZ),
Y McConnell (R-KY),
N Mikulski (D-MD),
Y Murkowski (R-AK),
N Murray (D-WA),
Y Nelson (D-FL),
Y Nelson (D-NE),
N Obama (D-IL),
Y Pryor (D-AR),
N Reed (D-RI),
Y Reid (D-NV),
X Roberts (R-KS),
Y Rockefeller (D-WV),
Y Salazar (D-CO),
Y Santorum (R-PA),
N Sarbanes (D-MD),
N Schumer (D-NY),
Y Sessions (R-AL),
Y Shelby (R-AL),
X Smith (R-OR),
Y Snowe (R-ME),
Y Specter (R-PA),
N Stabenow (D-MI),
Y Stevens (R-AK),
X Sununu (R-NH),
Y Talent (R-MO),
Y Thomas (R-WY),
Y Thune (R-SD),
Y Vitter (R-LA),
Y Voinovich (R-OH),
Y Warner (R-VA),
N Wyden (D-OR),
Bartholomew Roberts
Member
The Majority and Minority leaders of the Senate and the House name the members of the conference committees. The House usually has a little better position than the Senate in conference committees. Conference committees cannot add anything, they can only strip stuff out. Also three of the four leaders appointing committee members are NRA-backed and voted for the bill.
Actually, the House hasn't heard their version yet. That will probably come up in September.
The real key here is to now write to your RKBA friendly reps if you want to do some damage to the gun control crowd. The House can amend their version to have a limited amount of goodies, like gutting the recent ATF replacement parts rule, without stripping away too much Senate support for passage of the final conference bill.
I wonder what other incremental roll backs could be achieved?
I don't think that there will be an opening of the MG registry or tampering with any of Bush I's EOs possible, but all kinds of minor tweaks to the laws, like loosening the "storefront" restrictions on FFLs and other Clintoon era BS are feasible.
The real key here is to now write to your RKBA friendly reps if you want to do some damage to the gun control crowd. The House can amend their version to have a limited amount of goodies, like gutting the recent ATF replacement parts rule, without stripping away too much Senate support for passage of the final conference bill.
I wonder what other incremental roll backs could be achieved?
I don't think that there will be an opening of the MG registry or tampering with any of Bush I's EOs possible, but all kinds of minor tweaks to the laws, like loosening the "storefront" restrictions on FFLs and other Clintoon era BS are feasible.
GigaBuist
Member
Stocks
Actually... I think you missed the stock jump already.
Two days ago S&W shot up about 6% for the day, and Ruger 10%.
This morning, partly from a financial release by S&W (not sure about Ruger) S&W was up 30% or close to it and Ruger was up 18% at one point today.
I had intended to get in on this, but missed it by a day. Oddly enough, I've been trying to devote more time to economics/stocks than guns... and that's why I had no idea this was happening until a non-gun buddy saw what happened yesterday. Just didn't have time to shuffle funds around.
Actually... I think you missed the stock jump already.
Two days ago S&W shot up about 6% for the day, and Ruger 10%.
This morning, partly from a financial release by S&W (not sure about Ruger) S&W was up 30% or close to it and Ruger was up 18% at one point today.
I had intended to get in on this, but missed it by a day. Oddly enough, I've been trying to devote more time to economics/stocks than guns... and that's why I had no idea this was happening until a non-gun buddy saw what happened yesterday. Just didn't have time to shuffle funds around.
Brett Bellmore
Member
Well, theoretically, anyway. I seem to recall that rule having been violated on a few occasions.
71Commander
Member
The GOP needs to withdraw funding for DeWine's future run for office. With friends like him..............................
Dan from MI
Member
I wouldn't vote for DeRINO under any circumstances.
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