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S 2062 on CSPAN 2

Discussion in 'Legal' started by LAR-15, Jul 6, 2004.

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  1. LAR-15

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    Chuck Grasseley is pleading for non germane amendments to not be offered or brought up.
     
  2. Bartholomew Roberts

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    Looks like they are going to adjourn after this speaker and continue tomorrow at around 10:30am Eastern. We probably won't know the schedule or amendments to be offered before then as the leaders will still be dealing.
     
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    is this the bill slated to get an attachment from fineswine?
     
  4. Bartholomew Roberts

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    That is the one. Feinstein told the Virginia MMM in a conference call she would try and amend this bill with the sem-auto ban renewal.
     
  5. Bartholomew Roberts

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    They are debating now. Frist has proposed that there may be only 5 amendments from each side and they must be relevant to the bill. Daschle strenuously objects.

    Republicans counter with unlimited amendments to bill; but MUST be related.

    Daschle objects again and asks for 10 relevant and 5 non-relevant amendments.
     
  6. halvey

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    We really need to get rid of this guy.
     
  7. Bartholomew Roberts

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    Frist slaps Daschle down and says only relevant amendments will be allowed.
     
  8. Bartholomew Roberts

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    Unknown Republican Senator with pork bill complains he has 63 co-sponsors and his non-germane amendment should be allowed.
     
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    So when do we start making phone calls? Should we wait until DiFi makes a move?
     
  10. Bartholomew Roberts

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    Republican Senator is Larry Craig with an immigration bill. He is peeved the bill will not be allowed to be tacked onto S.2062 under the procedural rules Frist laid down.
     
  11. Bartholomew Roberts

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    Looks like it probably won't be necessary... I don't understand Senate rules perfectly; but if I understand correctly - Frist said that no unrelated amendments would be allowed - period. He pulled a procedural move he hasn't used since he became Senate Majority leader.

    Anybody want to tell me there is no difference between Republicans and Democrats?
     
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    Can a brotha get a link?
     
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    I love Orrin Hatch! :D

    Tell it like it is!!
     
  15. Bartholomew Roberts

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    Google CSPAN2.

    One person we need to contact is Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-TN) and thank him for taking the stand to not allow any unrelated amendments. He pissed off a lot of Senators, even Republican ones, in order to shut down any avenue of attack from Feinstein early.

    Frist has NEVER used this procedural method before today. So he is bound to be getting some heat over this. We need to send him a note thanking him for the support.

    Hatch is up now supporting the Senate Majority Leader.
     
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    "We know what the game is around here."

    "...amendments we know the House won't take."

    "Dishonest."

    Good stuff, Orrin.
     
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    Please, please, please tell me that Diane had the same type of procedural rules stuff pulled on her that she tried to pull on us.
     
  18. Bartholomew Roberts

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    Sen. Craig back up arguing that non-germane amendments should be allowed and saying that the majority has shot themselves in the foot because they won't be able to invoke cloture now.
     
  19. Bartholomew Roberts

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    The bloated drunk from Massachusetts is now railing against not being allowed to offer non-germane amendments. Children wail and animals flee in terror.

    Kennedy want to offer a minimum wage amendment and an immigration amendment (same one Craig supports). Of course Republicans offered to allow both these amendments earlier and the Dems didn't want to play, they wanted to have all kinds of additional non-germane amendments.
     
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    Bartholemew,

    Pardon my ignorance, while I'm watching the bloated Senator cry, ( and am tuning him out while I type this) but could you tell me if we should be concerned about Larry Craigs complaint that we can't have "cloture" now. That isn't a problem for us is it?

    I do however like hearing Kennedy scream "The Republicans have closed us out!" :)
     
  21. Bartholomew Roberts

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    Without cloture the bill can be filibustered; but the Republicans would likely pull the bill before that. They attempted a cloture vote on June 1, 2004 (this bill has been around forever) and they failed so they pulled it until more deals could be cut.

    13 proposed amendments have been filed on this bill so far. Only ones mentioned by name so far are minimum wage and immigration.

    Not sure if Frist could still limit proposed amendments to germane amendments if cloture isn't invoked. Not sure of the procedure used and the Congressional Record won't have the specifics until tomorrow.
     
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    With as much non-gun related conflict that seems to be going on, is there even a chance that DiFi can introduce her poison pill?

    Or are these Dems arguing for Di's amendment while hiding behind this minimum wage stuff?

    Help, Bart.
     
  23. VaniB.

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    Bart and Thumper,

    Now Democrat Dodd is crying. Another Democrat who just confessed to voting against the Gun Liability Protection Act Poor baby! :)

    Seems to me that this is the best thing that Bill Frist has done for us, despite Larry Craigs protest, right? Is this not the best way to lock out DiFi's amendments right, and we couldn't hope for better?
     
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    I'm thinking that it's not likely at this point she'll get the chance.. still worth calling though. I just called Frist's office with a "thank you, keep it up"
    (one of the nice parts about being Tennessean now) . :)


    -K

    PS...
    I gotta admit it is kinda fun to see him railing on and getting all red (rrrmm.. redder, anyway) in the cheeks. I keep hoping we'll see him blow a valve on the Senate floor one of these days. :)
     
  25. Bartholomew Roberts

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    The Republicans offered to consider the minimum wage amendment the Dems said they wanted and offered to allow each side one non-germane amendment. The Dems objected and initially demanded unlimited amendments.

    The kindest deal the Dems offered was each side take 10 related amendments and 5 unrelated. I'm far from a Senate expert; but it looks to me like they wanted to attach Feinstein's amendment.
     
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