1911Tuner
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I only skimmed the thread, but has even one person (you, not your Grandpa) claimed to regularly carry a SA revolver?
That would be me. Been packin' one daily for about 6 months now.
I only skimmed the thread, but has even one person (you, not your Grandpa) claimed to regularly carry a SA revolver?
I regularly carry a .45 Colt Bond Arms Texas Defender. Gasp...
...only two shots, single action?
It's a wonder I haven't died a million times over.
but show me someone that carries a 2-shot single action derringer/kel-tec .32/.380 for defense and "feels" comfortable with it for defense, and I'll show you someone that's never had to draw and fire it in a defensive situation.
I have never felt under-gunned with it. For me, it feels right, and I am comfortable and confident in its use. That's good enough for me.
By and large, most private citizens who carry a gun don't have an actual or well-defined need to carry one.
How about because this is America and they simply want to exercise their right to Self Defense.
That seems to be an actual, well defined need to me.
But when you really need a gun...
According to that one person, who actually timed it, yes, SA is slowerThe ability of a practiced shooter to draw and fire a single action quickly isn't one of those arguments, however.
The "various sources" were Marshal and Sanow. Of course, Buffalo Bore ammo might be different. I believe the problem is that .45 colt bullets are usually designed for hunting, while .45 ACP bullets are designed for self-defense.I'm not sure what "various sources" are, but that claim appears absurd unless they were comparing weak .45 Colt cowboy ammunition to defensive loadings in the other calibers. Buffalo Bore and Cor-Bon offer defensive loadings that launch 200 gr JHPs to the same velocity as .45 ACP +P loadings of the same weight. So, when you launch a 200 gr JHP at ~1100 fps out of a .45 ACP it's a man stopper, but when you launch the same bullet at the same velocity out of a .45 Colt it has less "stopping power" than 9mm?
Tell me when you've had to use it how well it worked. Until then, I still say I'd rather carry something betterI regularly carry a .45 Colt Bond Arms Texas Defender. Gasp...
...only two shots, single action?
Well that means if I need to use it, it's already a bad day. I wouldn't want to use a less effective tool if that happens.Knows that the odds of having to reach for a gun in self defense are very slim, and...
That the odds of becoming involved in an actual shootout are even slimmer, and...
Do you have a source for this?That the odds of having to defend against a grappling and/or a knife or bludgeon are much higher than either of the previous two...and that 2 shots with the muzzle near or in contact with the attacker's body will probably shut him off...even if the cartridge is a lowly .32 caliber.
Unless under stress, you miss the hammer. In addition, if I have to draw in the first scenario, I really would want to get that first shot off as quickly as I can. I'd probably pull the hammer even on a DA revolver, however, it's good to know I don't have to.If you're faced with a man intent on killing you, and that man has his gun
in his hand while yours is tucked away under your jacket...I don't care
what you have under there, and how many spare magazines you've got on board.
You've probably lost that fight.
If, on the other hand...you have your radar working to full capacity,
and you see the trouble coming before it gets to you, and you have your gun
in your hand when the flag flies...you've probably won that fight...even
if all you've got is a '73 SAA with the hammer down on an empty chamber.
While lots of skill and poor equipment is better than good equipment and no skill, equipment does make a difference, and the police and military appear to agree with meOne more time...It's not the equipment that prevails. It's the mindset...and the skill with the equipment that we happen to have with us that'll get us home alive.
According to that one person, who actually timed it, yes, SA is slower
While lots of skill and poor equipment is better than good equipment and no skill, equipment does make a difference, and the police and military appear to agree with me
Yet the average gun fight lasts for 3 rounds. The derringer has 2.know for a fact that I can make accurate hits with a SAA, or my derringer inside it's range limits, just as fast as I can with a G17 or PM9.
I don't intend to go in to a firefight. If people start shooting at me, I would still like to have more than 5 rounds, even if it's a 5 shooter and a sppedloader.Even if that worst-case scenario comes to pass...you're under no obligation to protect and serve...and going into a firefight headlong is not only a good way to get killed...it can land you in serious trouble as an active participant.
In a grappling situation, I think the SA would have a very serious disadvantage. And average is not mode.No...if the time comes for us to have need of a gun, it will be sudden...without warning...probably at powder burn distance...with the winner and loser decided within 3-5 seconds and with 3-5 shots fired from both sides...about 98% of the time.
I know. I think that extra rounds and quicker rate of fire is more likely to get me out of a desperate situation.Your gun is there to get you out of a situation that you didn't plan for, didn't ask for, and would rather have avoided in the first place. Your goal is to survive. Period.
That you took out a few bad guys before you died will be of little comfort to your widow and children, and if you survive...you could land in prison for several years, or sued into destitution for wrongful death by the family of the "poor victim."
Unless under stress, you miss the hammer.
I know. I think that extra rounds and quicker rate of fire is more likely to get me out of a desperate situation
. If people start shooting at me, I would still like to have more than 5 rounds, even if it's a 5 shooter and a sppedloader.
Yet the average gun fight lasts for 3 rounds. The derringer has 2.
The "various sources" were Marshal and Sanow. Of course, Buffalo Bore ammo might be different. I believe the problem is that .45 colt bullets are usually designed for hunting, while .45 ACP bullets are designed for self-defense.
Still doesn't meet the criteria for an actual need.
Need, as in "The cops can't be everywhere." isn't the same as a defined need. Firemen can't be everywhere, either...but we don't carry a fire extinguisher with us.
David E: Quote:
But when you really need a gun...
What you need is a rifle...not a pistol or a revolver.
Again...most of us carry because it comforts us.
In that sense, any gun is better than no gun,
and about any gun will suffice in an emergency provided we can use it well.
A Freedom Arms .22 caliber mini revolver could have provided for a much different outcome in "The Onion Field" or for any number of deadly attacks, rapes, murders, etc.
Just because some of us don't walk around prepared to do battle with an entire gang doesn't mean that we're not able to mount an effective defense against a personal attack.
One guy on the interwebs said so? Well then, discussion over.
I know for a fact that I can make accurate hits with a SAA, or my derringer inside it's range limits, just as fast as I can with a G17 or PM9.
I was responding to you inferring that SA is always slower for everyone because David E timed himself shooting one.