Senate "unites" to stick it to America on illegal immigration

[Freedspeak]

$50/hr?

H*ll, thats twice what I make doing home maintainence/repair. Maybe I need to relook at my rates!

You sure he didn't say 5/hr.?

 

[longeyes]

$50 an hour is chump change to a man who married hundreds of millions of dollars.

 

[RealGun]

The way I see it, the 11 million or so illegals that are here now arent going back anytime soon. We need to cut our losses and crackdown on border security from now on. - crazed_ss

+1. That's the plan, recognizing that "cutting our losses" is no different than "amnesty" for a large portion of illegals who have become embedded for some time. Part of it is accepting blame for not having taken action earlier, including not having imposed taxes to cover enforcement or working out jurisdictional issues between the Feds, border States, and States with ports of entry. We also do not have genuine working agreements with neighboring countries, both of which are our top oil suppliers with too much leverage. We also have major manufacturing operations in both Canada and Mexico.

Lastly, it is a fallacy to think of illegal aliens as all Mexican. 39,000 Chinese are staged for deportation, waiting for China's okay to accept them back. There are probably millions from Central America, having crossed Mexico's southern border. Some crossed the Canadian border. Some are from Ireland or all over Europe, the Middle East, you name it.

One should be my niece's ex-husband, who dropped her two weeks after he got his green card, thanks to having married a citizen. He wasn't reported.

 

[RealGun]

I think positions of political office draws two kind of people.

1. Those who wish to contribute back to their society via public service. Those are few and far between, sadly. - Sindawe

Some of those are do-gooder socialists. Be careful what you wish for. Rich kids like John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, and Al Gore come to mind.

 

[RealGun]

“will shutdown this country on May 1st”

Why not Cinco de Mayo?

 

[MadMag]

Why not Cinco de Mayo?

That's a good question. I have thought about this and I can only guess that May Day is more important. It goes to show you what kind of people are really running this movement. Their thinking goes well beyond getting illegals good jobs, they have a socialist agenda that's behind the movement.

So, good question Cinco de Mayo would be the natural choice for Mexico, but May Day is the socialist workers revolution....that has never worked.

 

[Thin Black Line]

I hope the people on the Hill (especially Diane Feinstein) are paying attention:

http://www.aztlan.net/la_gran_marcha.htm

Los Angeles, Alta California - March 26, 2006 - (ACN) Yesterday's march and rally for immigrant rights in downtown Los Angeles is the largest in the city's history. Never has the "City of Angels" seen so many demonstrators filling the streets of the city's center. The sleeping giant has finally awaken giving rise to a new immigrant civil rights movement of unprecedented proportions.

The leadership of the various participating groups demonstrated extraordinary organizational skills. Much credit goes to the over 700,000 marchers, that included entire families, for their superb orderly behavior. There was not one act of violence even though the vile "Minutemen Vigilantes" had made threats against "La Gran Marcha" on their websites.
...
What does the immense success of "La Gran Marcha" mean to Mexicanos and other Latinos? It simply means that we now have the numbers, the political will and the organizational skills to direct our own destinies and not be subservient to the White and Jewish power structures. It means that we can now undertake bigger and more significant mass actions to achieve total political and economic liberation like that being proposed by Juan José Gutiérrez, President of Movimiento Latino USA. Juan José Gutiérrez is proposing that the coalition that organized "La Gran Marcha" meet in Arizona or Texas on April 8 to "organize a mass boycott (huelga) against the economy of the USA" to take place on May 1, May 5 or May 19.

http://www.aztlan.net/nahr_delegation_to_mexico.htm

A principal purpose of the meetings is to establish closer ties (acercamiento) between Mexicanos/Latinos and the respective "mother nations" in the Western Hemisphere. The immigration debate has in the past been dominated by White immigrants from mostly northern European countries. The immigration problem began with the arrival of the Mayflower at Plymouth Rock Rock in 1620. These White refugees from England survived their first winter through the assistance of the local natives but later they betrayed their benefactors by massacring and literally imprisoning them in "reservations camps". Subsequently, these White immigrants moved westward and through their notion of "Manifest Destiny" confiscated vast territories from Mexico. The immigration problem from Europe was greatly aggravated when between 1892 to 1954 over 12 million White migrants arrived at Ellis Island in New York City.

http://www.aztlan.net/el_gran_boicot.htm

Los Angeles, Alta California - March 31, 2006 - (ACN) The coalition that brought over 700,000 pro-immigrant rights marchers to Los Angeles announced yesterday that the next mass action will be "an economic and labor boycott that will paralyze the US economy". The planned boycott, which now has international support, is to protest the racist HR4437 legislation being debated in the US Senate.

Dr. Armando Navarro, coordinator of the National Alliance for Human Rights (NAHR), said "We are living through very dangerous times and we must take advantage of the moment. If we just sit and wait to see what happens, everything we have accomplished so far may go to waste. That is why we must continue the struggle to once and for all defeat that racist proposal (HR4437)".

Coalition member Roberto Reveles of "Unidos en Arizona" said that they will help host a "Summit Meeting" in Phoenix, Arizona to work out the details of the "international economic and labor boycott". The summit will take place on April 8th and 9th. The boycott will take place on May 1 (Day of the International Solidarity of Workers) or May 5 (Cinco de Mayo). To be debated is whether a boycott beginning on May 1 and ending with a huge "fiesta" on May 5 can be sustained.
...
The two day summit will be attended by Mexican-American and other Latino groups from Nevada, Texas, Wisconsin, Washington, New York, Chicago, California and other states. Representatives from Mexico, Central and South America will also be present. A major focus of the meeting will be to finalize the details of the boycott.

Dr. Armando Navarro of the NAHR said that the "international boycott" counts on the support of the consulates of Bolivia, Brazil, Venezuela, Colombia, Cuba and Mexico, as well as that of Mexican labor organizations. The coalition welcomes the support of other countries abroad.

"We have to demonstrate to the nation, one more time, that its economic stability depends on us. I am sure that our sister nations of Latin America, who are also tired of the situation, will unite with us", Professor Navarro said. "That is why we will celebrate May 1, 'Day of the Worker', with labor strikes, no purchases and go out and march. Soon they will see the impact we will have!", he concluded.

http://www.aztlan.net/riverside_summit.htm

Dr. Armando Navarro, Professor of Ethnic Studies at UCR and coordinator of the Summit, said that NAHR plans to focus on leaders in America, Mexico, and Central and South American countries. There are plans to send a delegation to Mexico to meet with President Vicente Fox. Also, NAHR plans to meet with Senator Diane Feinstein, other members of Congress and Ambassadors from other countries to solicit their support against H.R. 4437.

"If they come out openly and protest, that would influence the Senate because it would create a diplomatic problem for the Bush administration," Professor Navarro said. "Basically we as Mexicanos and Latinos are facing what some of us describe as literally a political war," he added. Dr. Navarro concluded, "Understanding the horrific anti-immigrant political climate rampant throughout the country and the severity of the consequences of the racist Sensenbrenner legislation, in particular the building of an Iron Curtain along the U.S./Mexico border, Mexicanos and Latinos in this country are under a state of siege reminiscent of the McCarthy Era."

What was that again?

Also, NAHR plans to meet with Senator Diane Feinstein, other members of Congress and Ambassadors from other countries to solicit their support against H.R. 4437.

And?

It simply means that we now have the numbers, the political will and the organizational skills to direct our own destinies and not be subservient to the White and Jewish power structures.

Ok, just wanted Diane to be clear on that point....

 

[gm]

I think longeyes response.."If cheap Mexican labor is the answer to America's economic problems then Mexico would already be a paradise..." is a good analogy. consider the fact that employers want cheap labor, consider the fact that costs have gone up for everything: health insurance is out of control,local taxes have to go up to absorb the rate of folks coming in that use the system with no money to pay- as an analogy to immigration, imagine 11 million new welfare recipiants.where does it leads us?personally, I believe the numbers of illegals to be FAR greater than stated.
-cheaper wages,bankrupt programs, higher taxes to help recover the costs.. and a greater rift between the working poor and the rich.


so we continue to complaint about everything costing so much, ID theft,stolen SS numbers,pollution,the drug war and the health care system yet we watch it all coming in daily and all some folks worry bout is more votes.

 

[Sindawe]

Recall the flag flap?

Apparently some parents and other patriotic citizens here in Colorado decided to make their views known after a principal of a Middle School banned camo and flag related clothing. The ban was lifted after parental pressure and a letter from the Colorado Attorney General, prior to the protest. Some folks still understand freedom.

http://www.cairco.org/events/shaw_school_2006apr07.html

 

[Sindawe]

Beef eaters, remember this next time you shop.

Creekstone closes a day for Hispanics

By FOSS FARRAR
Traveler Staff Writer

Creekstone Farms Premium Beef will close operations Monday to honor its predominately Hispanic workforce.

Monday is a day of national protests against a proposed immigration bill approved by the House of Representatives.

"We really agree with the perspective of the Hispanic community," said Rusty Wright, the company's director of human resources. "We don't like the proposed law, especially building the wall."

He referred to a proposal by the House of Representatives, HR 4437, that makes it a felony to be an illegal immigrant. It also makes it a crime to assist illegals, and such a measure could affect social workers and teachers.

Some Congressional leaders have proposed building a wall along the Mexican border with the United States.

On Thursday, Democratic and Republican leaders in the Senate indicated they would support a compromise immigration reform bill. It would allow most illegal immigrants to work toward permanent legal status.

Wright said about 75 percent of Creekstone's 750 employees are Hispanic, and the company decision to close down Monday is to encourage their participation in peaceful protest to HR 4437.

"There is a lot of mixed opinions on this controversial bill," Wright said. "I don't think we mind having our opinion."

Kevin Pentz, Creekstone's operations director, said Creekstone's largest asset is its employees. "When you have 75 percent of our employees who are Hispanic, you have to support that endeavor," he said of the protest.

All applicants for Creekstone jobs are screened through an INS screening system, Pentz said, referring to a computer system provided by the Immigration and Naturalization Service.

"It's linked up with Homeland Security, we review their documents and photos," Wright added.

In other words, Homeland Security says any worker hired by Creekstone is eligible to work, he said. All employees are approved by the INS.

"Our industry is similar to construction, hotels and restaurants," Pentz said. "People think the Hispanics are taking away from jobs that could go to other people. But in reality, these are jobs people don't care to have. These are skilled labor jobs, hard work."

It's a big deal to close down the plant for a day, he added. The company must continue to pay ongoing utility and maintenance costs and reschedule trailer loads of live cattle due to arrive Monday.

"We'll have close to 30 trailer loads of live cattle to reschedule," he said. "We'll have to work a few extra hours next week and probably next Saturday to make up for lost production."

Creekstone processes 5,000 head of cattle a week, he said. The company plans to remain at full production next week.

Source: http://www.arkcity.net/stories/040706/com_0003.shtml

Its almost worth taking up eating red meat again, just to boycott Creekstone.

 

[Thin Black Line]

Helping the Senate Do Their Research Today

http://latino.sscnet.ucla.edu/research/docs/struggle/index.html

For La Raza to do. Fuera de La Raza nada.

Someone care to translate?

http://www.eagleforum.org/column/2006/feb06/06-02-15.html

IEDs seized in TX?! I wonder why that didn't make the news?
Like to know more? Yes, let's:

Sheriff A. D’Wayne Jernigan
Val Verde County, Texas
Texas Border Sheriff’s Coalition

Wednesday, March 1, 2006

Written Testimony on "Federal Strategies to End Border Violence"

Before the Senate Judiciary Committee Subcommittee on Immigration, Border Security and Citizenship And Subcommittee on Terrorism, Technology, and Homeland Security
...

We have seen the border become more violent and criminally active than at any point in our careers. Our officers rarely encounter the socio-economic illegal alien of the past, but routinely encounter criminal illegal aliens.
...

Yes, let's repeat that again before we continue:

Our officers rarely encounter the socio-economic illegal alien of the past, but routinely encounter criminal illegal aliens.

Through intelligence information we have also learned that several murders in
Laredo, Webb County, Texas, have been orchestrated by members of drug cartels
operating in both countries. These drug cartel enforcers cross the Rio Grande River,
commit their murders in the United States, then head back to Mexico, again, via the Rio
Grande River. We have all seen in the media the reports of the murders in Nuevo
Laredo, 24 so far in the first 36 days of 2006. These murders are connected to
organizations in both Mexico and the United States. In February, a Task Force in Laredo
Texas confiscated Improvised Explosive Devices as well as items used to make explosive
devices. Border Patrol agents and deputy sheriffs have been shot at from Mexico on a
routine basis. Just last month a sniper in Mexico shot at agents that were working along
the banks of the river in the area of the cities of Rio Bravo/El Cenizo. This continued,
sporadically, for three days. Agents reported seeing several individuals wearing military
style uniforms on a hill on the Mexican side, one of them was using what was believed to
be a high powered rifle with scope.
...
During this same time period, a high-ranking member of the Mara Salvatrucha, or
MS-13, was apprehended in the Brooks County area, also in south Texas. He had entered
the country illegally. This MS-13 member is believed to have been responsible for the
killing of close to 30 persons, or more, in a bus explosion in his native country. It is my
understanding that he had a lengthy criminal record in the United States. This person, as
many others, find it very easy to come into our country through a very porous, wideopen,
and unprotected border. Twenty seven members of the MS-13 were apprehended
entering the United States in the Del Rio area of operations during the month of January,
2006.

We have received information that the drug trafficking organizations immediately
across our border are planning on killing as many police officers as possible on the
United States side. This is being planned for the purpose of attempting to "scare us"
away from the border. The recent activities of the drug trafficking organization operating
in the Hudspeth, El Paso County areas have included threats against the families of
Deputy Sheriff’s. In one incident subjects made threats to the wife of a Hudspeth County
Sheriff’s Sergeant at their home. The drug trafficking organizations have the money,
equipment, and stamina to carry out their threats. They are determined to protect their
illicit trade. It is my opinion that these drug trafficking organizations may form an
alliance with Islamo Fascist terrorist organizations. The Department of Homeland
Security recently issued Officer Alerts warning their agents of such potential threats.
We, the local officers, learned about the warning through the news media.
...
On February 2nd of this year, deputies in Zavala County discovered an 18" duffle
bag approximately 8 miles North of Zapata by the highway right of way. This duffel bag
had "Armada de Mexico" embroidered on the bag. Inside the bag were several items that
are commonly used to maintain higher levels of physical exertion. Inside the bag, a bus
ticket with an origin of Veracruz, Mexico was found. I have attached photographs of the
duffle bag and marked it as Attachment #5.

Employees of our offices have also seen incursions into this country of persons
dressed in battle dress uniforms (BDUs), carrying what officers believe to be automatic
weapons, very clean cut, and in very good physical condition. On March 3rd, 2005,
several officers assigned to do surveillance by the Rio Grande River by the Zapata/Webb
County line observed approximately 20-25 subjects dressed as indicated above. The
subjects were walking on a gravel road, coming from riverbank, and marching in a
cadence. The deputy observed these individuals through his borrowed night vision
goggles. These individuals were carrying large duffle bags and walking two abreast.
They were each armed with assault rifles.

In the town site of Zapata, residents report subjects getting off boats wearing
BDUs, backpacks, and carrying weapons. The residents describe them as soldiers.
...

http://www.hackworth.com/26jan99.html

In 2020, Southern California will be predominately Hispanic. Imagine if California-born Hispanic leaders following the Kosovar rebel scenario convinced their followers that the home of the Rose Bowl Parade was theirs. They could argue, "This land belonged to our forefathers long before the English settled Jamestown. They came with guns and took it from us. We're taking it back and: A) Rejoining Mexico; B) Creating a new republic called Aztlan; C) Forming a Commonwealth similar to Puerto Rico."

Nah....can't happen here.....

 

[longeyes]

How far do you think this is going to go? Will it become a possible SHTF situation? How is it possible, just by statistics, for so many mentally Ill people to get into political office?

The stuff has been hitting the fan for many years, at least if you live, as I do, in the war zone--and we are, make no mistake about it, in a war here. You can be mugged fast or in slow-motion. In this instance, so far, it's slow-motion. But already there are many victims, at many levels, ranging from the battered taxpayer to the myriad of people who been in the way of illegal alien criminal activity.

Meanwhile, illustrating that arrogant fools talk to each other and don't listen, Bush is blaming Reid for this great and wonderful bill not passing the Senate. Is he utterly unaware that the vast majority of Americans DO NOT WANT THIS? What will it take before they get the message?

2020 is a long, long way away. Things move very fast these days. I don't believe that the tortoise-pace of demographic inevitability will rule this issue. Other points of "inflection" will occur first, and they won't be subtle--but they will be determinative.

 

[longeyes]

How far do you think this is going to go? Will it become a possible SHTF situation? How is it possible, just by statistics, for so many mentally Ill people to get into political office?

There is a lot of sickness to go around. America is like an abused wife who comes to figure beatings are "normal." Then one day she's had ENOUGH! That day is coming, and the abusive political class had better pay attention.

 

[MadMag]

I have asked my wife to save a weeks shopping for May 1st. If the local stores don't see her for a week they will probably have a limo pick her up for a shopping spree.

I just sent a protest Email to Stonecreek Farms about their employee boycott for May 1st. [email protected] <[email protected]>
I told them to forget me buying their beef in the future.

 

[MadMag]

Some good points in the above posts about the Latino movement and it’s leaders.

I have come to realize that this has become much more than just good jobs for immigrants. I noticed that the Latino leaders are not really interested in better jobs or even citizenship for illegals. By their own words (and threats) they are saying that they don’t need us to determine their fate….they now have the power to do what they want. And what they want is much more than just helping illegals get jobs. They want their own socialistic system installed. They have also indicated that they can do this because Americans are soft and will not work to stop this intrusion.

Their only real fear is closing the border . They see each illegal as a soldier not a potential immigrant worker.

This situation is hard for some Americans because they see some of the illegals on a personal level and just see someone trying to better their life. There is truth to this, but they are now being guided by forces with different ideas. So, we still must take action and let these people know that Americans have steel (tempered by freedom) behind that nice soft exterior.

 

[progunner1957]

Just warmin' up!

This "breakthrough" that the Senate rammed through is like a two foot length of 2"x4" up the keister.

If Reichmarshall Hillary gets elected in '08, we'd better be able to accomodate a four foot length of 4"x4" fence post...

Illegal immigrants in the country for between two and five years could obtain a temporary work visa after reporting to a border point of entry. Aides referred to this as "touch base and return," since people covered would know in advance they would be readmitted to the United States.

"Touch base and return?" Sounds more like "catch and release."

To secure the border, the bill calls for a virtual fence — as opposed to the literal barrier contained in House legislation — consisting of surveillance cameras, sensors and other monitoring equipment along the long, porous border with Mexico.

"Virtual fence?" Virtually nonexsistant enforcement.

 

[longeyes]

the Unites States of Whatever

A virtual fence to go with a virtual government.

Hillary may become President. She will have a hard time governing. The Few are doing their best to de-legitimize their own authority.

My feeling is that the U.S. will begin resembling Iraq, politically, in a few years. Now that would be ironic, wouldn't it?

 

[Biker]

Sadly, it would be fitting.

Biker

 

[longeyes]

when is a fence not a fence?

A virtual fence--I prefer to call it a "welcoming" fence--with plenty of video surveillance, should form the basis for a very popular reality tv show. American Immigrant? Watch 'em come. Pick your favorite.

Who needs border enforcement when you can make book on exactly how many will cross in any 24-hour period? This could be a whole new government-spawned lottery.

 

[MadMag]

I know that there are other important things to accomplish, but I hope we can make an issue of this proposed Latino May 1st boycott. We should try to get the politicians to go our way, but we now have the power to show them we can standup when they say they are going to shutdown USA business for a day.

By making sure we shop on that day and protesting any business like Stonecreek Farms that lets it employess off in support of the boycott....we can make them take notice that boycotts are a two edged sword.

 

[CAnnoneer]

The ultimate reason why the WashDCers are squabbling over the hispanic vote is because they believe that the rest of America is nicely and securely packed up along "party lines".

I encourage all of you who read this to consider showing them that that is not so, by voting for anybody but D and R. Both of those are in the process of rapid disintegration, but their fuhrers are too self-absorbed to recognize it.

The Big Tent is a foolish and dangerous myth. It serves to trick the majority into empowering the minority. Neocon globalists and traditional conservatives have no business being together, just as commies and true liberals are fundamentally incompatible.

Let's have a true political discussion with many parties. That will expose the extremists for who they really are. Let's ask ourselves how creatures like most of our current fuhrers would survive in such an environment.

 

[MadMag]

CAnnoneer,

I agree. For the first time I am considering other than D & R. Use to think that was wasting my vote, but no longer.

I like the artillery statment. I was in artillery FDC in Army.

 

[seeker_two]

Just like it took for the gov't to take Islamic terrorism seriously...


...it'll take another large body count before they pay attention... :banghead:


...and I'm worried about who'll be among the body count...

 

[Kim]

Oh my goodness the lefty socialist racists also hate the JJJJJOOOOOOOOOOOEEEEESSSSSSSSSSS. Imagine that. When are the 75% of Jews who vote Democratic going to wake up and see their political party has become their worst enemy. Will it be to late? Bill Clinton said he would pick up a rifle and jump in a trench to fight for Israel. Yes do you believe that crap. He would not pick up a rifle to save his own.

 

[Kodiaz]

Like that ladies poster said Plan B