Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Drakejake, Jul 4, 2005.
Available in 12ga / .223, .308 or 30.06
I would have to say the .22 hornet is one of the best rounds for small/medium sized game and maby those human preditors,(a .223 would aslo work). Next up on the rifle scale would be the good ole .30-06, big enough to handle most things with one round and can handle everything with a few well placed shots. For handguns, as said before, a .357 mag with some .38 and .357 mag rounds.
I could carry 50 rounds and a pound of powder, mucho primers in small tins and a bullet mould, think cowboys.
Small enough for small game, effective enough for larger game up to and including whitetail deer. The Hornet would be a close second for me, though.
1. What sort of animals and/or other dangers are you likely to encounter? In the Deep South, the worst I'm likely to find would be wild hogs, or whitetail. Further north, black bear and/or cougar are possible. Way up north, I might have to consider grizzly bear. In any of these areas, there is a greater or lesser chance of encountering human vermin. Obviously, the likely dangers govern what firearm I'd need.
2. What sort of woods? In thick woods like those in the Deep South, the maximum range is unlikely to exceed 100 yards, and will probably be less than 25 yards much of the time. Northern woods can offer longer ranges. I'd want a gun that is accurate and effective (on what I'm likely to encounter) within the range I'll have to shoot over.
3. How portable? If I'm going out for a day hike, I don't want to carry a long gun, as its size and weight are a pain. If I'm on a week's camping trip, a long gun might make more sense. I'd be happy with a decent revolver in a caliber suitable for the threats/game in my area, for a short hike.
4. How good am I? If I'm skilled with firearms, a handgun makes more sense than it would for a novice. It's easier to learn to shoot a carbine or rifle than it is to shoot a handgun.
Springfield Armory M6 Survival Rifle - 22 and .410 gauge shotgun ($300)
Marlin Papoose - Semi Auto takedown 22 ($200)
Henry AR-7 - Used by the airforce as a survival rifle, it breaks down and the action and barrel fit in the stock (I am looking into buying one of these) ($150)
if i'm planning
to be lost for a couple of weeks-a month then i want a .22 rim fire mag. rifle/carbine. by the way i'm in southeast texas piney woods. plenty of deer have been taken with this round (at least that is what i've been told) and head shots on squirrel and rabbit wont mess up meat and multiple shots to the head would probably bring down a pig eventually. now if i'm planning to be "long term" lost in the woods any were, i want my .308.
Up north I would expect longer ranges and less water/mud. More deer/less hogs. Not much else in the way of difference.
Glock 20 or Ruger GP100.
I'll ditto that
The SKS would be a good survival rifle--you can knock it about and not care, it's accurate enough without sacrificing reliability, it's got a knife handy on the end , and could come in handy as a walking stick/crutch if need be . That's from what I currently own. If given a pick of any handgun/long rifle combo, I'd probably pick .357 SA revolver of some kind (good to know it isn't going off unless you make it) with 38 Special (and hey, you can have a holster w/ammo loops to carry your shells), and a .357 Lever action of some kind. Close-in stuff would be taken care of (as well as the random defense against rabid beavers, just draw the wheelgun), as would longer distance with the levergun. Just my few cent's worth.
I'd also take my stainless Ruger Service Six in case it was needed against varmints with two legs.
Depth and breadth
The SKS is a fine "survival" rifle, if that's why I'm in these supposed woods.
If I'm "lost" in the woods, then I want a combo rifle in .22/12 gauge. The 12 has a wide variety of loads, and if I'm hoping to be found, I can carry some of those flare shells found in most sporting goods stores. Also, 12 ga is a good noisemaker, which helps searchers too. The .22 is good for small game, and a cartridge can be broken open for use as a firestarter; also, carrying 200 rds is easy.
.223 is also acceptable in place of the .22, and better in fact in some ways, but the most important part is to have a small caliber round that is lightweight and easily carried. Both .223 and .22 are available in tracer rounds, which can be fired to draw a searcher's attention to you.
For a handgun, I want my Model 66 with 180 or 200 gr hunting loads; manstopper, yes, but will be my last defense against a bear, too, after I've fired the shotgun.
For survival hand gun I have carried a Charter Arms Pathfinder [original company ] in .22 mag for 30 years now. For a rifle I carry a Ruger 10/22. I would like to get one of the new ones in .22 mag. but then I don't go pack packing any more.
If I'm backpacking I usually have a .357 revolver with me.
If I'm hunting my 'survival arm' is whatever I was hunting with, plus a handgun and 24 rounds.
Only downside vs 22LR is you would absolutley not be able to carry more than a 1000 rounds in a rucksack (though it would just be heavy, not take up much room). 22 has a certain appeal to it, but youre SOL vs humanoids.
Maybe an AK main gun with a scoped/suppressed 22 pistol as a sidearm? You could easily carry 500 rds and it would fill in a lot of the places that the AK is weak in. It would be great for picking off small game. Rabbits and similar can easily be stalked to 5-10 meters distance.
The .22 rimfire is not the ideal combat round, true, but just as it is possible to kill deer with it, so too can it kill people with one shot, provided it is a WELL-PLACED SHOT. There are too many variables-who, what, how many, how far, etc-to pin down all the possibilities, but with a GSW in the woods, your best bet for survival is to get medical help; in other words, fall back!
"One shot, one kill" has a nice ring to it, but if the game is survival, then "one shot, they stop pursuing me" is quite acceptable.
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