beerslurpy
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I didnt propose using the 22LR for combat. Note that I suggested hunting small game with it. Anything larger than a pistol would get in the way of carrying whatever rifle you bring.
Survival Firearm? (Lost in the Woods)
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.22 magnum seems like a good choice for much of the USA, little more power than .22lr, little flatter shooting, bulletts are still fairly light. Yet whenever I'm serious about killing something, the ole' 12 guage comes to mind. Load it with slugs and it should be potent enough for even bears. Biggest problem with it is the ammo is heavy and the range is short.
The ultimate long term SHTF survival frearm for the situation described in the initial post would be, in my opinion, a bolt action repeating rifle in .22 LR with box magazines. Strong design, easy to repair most problems, good accuracy for most applications, extremely easy to carry a lot of ammunition to last the long haul.
Commissar Gribb
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M1 garand 
if I were lost in the woods... I would want something reliable with a lot of power.
if I were lost in the woods... I would want something reliable with a lot of power.
Too Many Choices!?
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M4gery A3 w red dot optic/ side arm Glock 23 .40
I want a second uppe(possibly scoped) to scrounge parts from or if the first is disabled. Buttstock gets filled with one visine bottle full of oil, a second visine bottle full of bore cleaner, and empty space left over gets as many spare batteries(pistol girp) and pieces of cloth(a clean rifle is a working rifle) as I can cram in there ... Shoot a deer in the head with a .223 and I doubt it is going very far, same for a boar, but it might take two shots. My main plan is to have a break down fishing pole, screw the hard work I will let my dinner come to me after stringing a set of baited hooks in a pond or lake (more meat, less energy, less waisted meat to spoil than a deer)
Possibly useful : .22lr converstion kit for one of the uppers and remember the clicks to adjust point of impact when it is added.
Ammo 500 rnds of .223(weighs almost nothing) mosltly already in mags and straapped on and a little .22 ammo in a back pack or duffle bag with the upper, water, fishing pole , and other neccessities. Good to go for 1 month or 20
I want a second uppe(possibly scoped) to scrounge parts from or if the first is disabled. Buttstock gets filled with one visine bottle full of oil, a second visine bottle full of bore cleaner, and empty space left over gets as many spare batteries(pistol girp) and pieces of cloth(a clean rifle is a working rifle) as I can cram in there
... Shoot a deer in the head with a .223 and I doubt it is going very far, same for a boar, but it might take two shots. My main plan is to have a break down fishing pole, screw the hard work I will let my dinner come to me after stringing a set of baited hooks in a pond or lake (more meat, less energy, less waisted meat to spoil than a deer) Possibly useful : .22lr converstion kit for one of the uppers and remember the clicks to adjust point of impact when it is added.
Ammo 500 rnds of .223(weighs almost nothing) mosltly already in mags and straapped on and a little .22 ammo in a back pack or duffle bag with the upper, water, fishing pole , and other neccessities. Good to go for 1 month or 20
First instinct says my AR, lighter ammo than the SKS, and more punch and range than the .22.
After much thought, however, I'd go with either my Savage 10FP in .308 or the Yugo Mauser in 8mm. Fairly light, very rugged, simple, and easily capable of taking out anything from grizzlies on down to deer. I imagine the Mauser might make a mess of bunnies, but I don't like rabbit anyhow.
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After much thought, however, I'd go with either my Savage 10FP in .308 or the Yugo Mauser in 8mm. Fairly light, very rugged, simple, and easily capable of taking out anything from grizzlies on down to deer. I imagine the Mauser might make a mess of bunnies, but I don't like rabbit anyhow.
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Couple of thoughts. If we are "lost" in the woods, who would be casually carrying 500 rounds of centerfire ammo around WHEN they got lost?
I see several suggestions of heavy, bulky guns as being appropriate for hanging around in the woods. The guys that spend a lot of time in the woods dont tend to drag military rifles around, as they are generally heavier and bulkier (this last point is an issue) than comparable sporters in similar, or more potent calibers.This is one reason old bolt military rifles were sporterized. Day in, day out carry for making meat doesnt encourage use of miltary rifles. The ones that do, use bolt guns, and do so because they are cheap. Sporter bolts and lever carbines tend to dominate woodsmens working guns.
Some of us spend time and miles in the hills with rifle in hand. I'd trade a boatload of bulky, heavy inapropriate guns for a Winchester 94 carbine or sleek 30-06 sporter when 5 or 10 miles of rough rocky mountain trail was ahead of me at 9,000 or 10,000 ft elevation. A good 22 target grade pistol is hard to beat for camp meat. 100 rounds of 22's will go a LONG time in the hills.
I generally have about 30 or 40 rounds of highpower ammo on me when hunting or in the hills. If feeding myself with that rifle, I figure I'd be good for a year at least if carefully used. A guy never knows when he may be out awhile.
I see several suggestions of heavy, bulky guns as being appropriate for hanging around in the woods. The guys that spend a lot of time in the woods dont tend to drag military rifles around, as they are generally heavier and bulkier (this last point is an issue) than comparable sporters in similar, or more potent calibers.This is one reason old bolt military rifles were sporterized. Day in, day out carry for making meat doesnt encourage use of miltary rifles. The ones that do, use bolt guns, and do so because they are cheap. Sporter bolts and lever carbines tend to dominate woodsmens working guns.
Some of us spend time and miles in the hills with rifle in hand. I'd trade a boatload of bulky, heavy inapropriate guns for a Winchester 94 carbine or sleek 30-06 sporter when 5 or 10 miles of rough rocky mountain trail was ahead of me at 9,000 or 10,000 ft elevation. A good 22 target grade pistol is hard to beat for camp meat. 100 rounds of 22's will go a LONG time in the hills.
I generally have about 30 or 40 rounds of highpower ammo on me when hunting or in the hills. If feeding myself with that rifle, I figure I'd be good for a year at least if carefully used. A guy never knows when he may be out awhile.
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Keltec SU16. ' carries all the extra ammo you might need and still lightweight.
lesjones
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Guns overrated for backwoods safety
Here's a fact worth remembering: in the lower 48 states the most remote spot is only about 20 miles from the nearest road. Most places are much closer to a road than that.
It doesn't take more than a day or two to walk out of most wooded areas in the lower 48, so you don't need a two week supply of ammo. Excepting bears, your main use for a gun would be defense against human predators, not hunting. Time spent stalking, killing, gutting, and cooking an animal is time that's better spent beating feet out of there. However, one good use of a gun, particularly if you're injured, is as a noisemaker to attract rescuers, so a few extra rounds don't hurt.
I've backpacked a fair bit and worked as a field biologist in the Sonoran desert and in the Smokies. If you're sleeping out in the woods, a map and compass, rain gear, warm clothing, and a first aid kit are more important to your survival than a gun. Bears and snakes get all the publicity, but in reality hypothermia, drowning, falling, getting hit by lightning, and getting stung by swarms of bees or wasps are the big killers in the backcountry.
Here's a fact worth remembering: in the lower 48 states the most remote spot is only about 20 miles from the nearest road. Most places are much closer to a road than that.
It doesn't take more than a day or two to walk out of most wooded areas in the lower 48, so you don't need a two week supply of ammo. Excepting bears, your main use for a gun would be defense against human predators, not hunting. Time spent stalking, killing, gutting, and cooking an animal is time that's better spent beating feet out of there. However, one good use of a gun, particularly if you're injured, is as a noisemaker to attract rescuers, so a few extra rounds don't hurt.
I've backpacked a fair bit and worked as a field biologist in the Sonoran desert and in the Smokies. If you're sleeping out in the woods, a map and compass, rain gear, warm clothing, and a first aid kit are more important to your survival than a gun. Bears and snakes get all the publicity, but in reality hypothermia, drowning, falling, getting hit by lightning, and getting stung by swarms of bees or wasps are the big killers in the backcountry.
115grfmj
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Hard to beat......
a good .22lr rifle for survival. Great for carrying thousands of rounds of ammo,
and putting meat on your table.
a good .22lr rifle for survival. Great for carrying thousands of rounds of ammo,
and putting meat on your table.
Carl N. Brown
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survival guns
This has always intrigued me: survival guns. I could ramble, but to be short:
When we camped out in bear country, I took a Baikal Bounty Hunter (never
could find a Savage 311R) which I feel was my best choice all things
considered. 00, Slug, #6 shot. I have not tested Red Meteor flares in the
Baikal but they worked in my old S&W 916A, which was also cylinder bore.
(Both shotguns are 12 gauge double barrel, 20" barrels, hammerless, top tang
safety and takedown into a 20 inch package.)
My cartrunk kit includes first aid kit, canned tea, food, rain poncho, army
blanket, plastic, parachute cord, candles, matches, flare gun, .22 Bronco
skeltonized takedown rifle, etc. So far, I have used the band aids.
This has always intrigued me: survival guns. I could ramble, but to be short:
When we camped out in bear country, I took a Baikal Bounty Hunter (never
could find a Savage 311R) which I feel was my best choice all things
considered. 00, Slug, #6 shot. I have not tested Red Meteor flares in the
Baikal but they worked in my old S&W 916A, which was also cylinder bore.
(Both shotguns are 12 gauge double barrel, 20" barrels, hammerless, top tang
safety and takedown into a 20 inch package.)
My cartrunk kit includes first aid kit, canned tea, food, rain poncho, army
blanket, plastic, parachute cord, candles, matches, flare gun, .22 Bronco
skeltonized takedown rifle, etc. So far, I have used the band aids.
Dionysusigma
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If I'm truly lost in the woods, I want a flare gun, plain and simple. 20 rounds, max. Thing is, if I'm lost I don't plan on being that way long enough that I'm going to kill a deer, clean it, cook it, and eat the whole darn thing. If I need to defend myself, then a flare gun can do the job nastily, but well enough that they'll leave you alone
If I'm "lost" in the woods
, I'll take my SAR-1, a GPS, and a compass. And a tarp and paracord.
And a cast-iron skillet.
And a KA-Bar.
And a fully-stocked RV.
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7.62x39 AK clone, w/ folding stock of some sort.
7.62x39 is sufficient for medium-sized game, plus any human threats encountered. Large magazine capacity for human threats. Ultra-reliable for harsh conditions that may be encountered.
If a handgun is my only option, a 4" or 6" .357 revolver, carrying both .357s and 38s for reasons mentioned above.
7.62x39 is sufficient for medium-sized game, plus any human threats encountered. Large magazine capacity for human threats. Ultra-reliable for harsh conditions that may be encountered.
If a handgun is my only option, a 4" or 6" .357 revolver, carrying both .357s and 38s for reasons mentioned above.
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What handgun/caliber or rifle/caliber? Was the ?
22mag is very possibly the only minimalistic caliber my low self esteem would allow me to carry It would need to be a box magazine-LESS carbine with 8-10 shots, pump or lever, and NO peep sights- I hate 'em. Besides- the sweetest shooting 22 I have ever shot was a browning lever, I really want one- just don't have the cash.
22mag is very possibly the only minimalistic caliber my low self esteem would allow me to carry
It would need to be a box magazine-LESS carbine with 8-10 shots, pump or lever, and NO peep sights- I hate 'em. Besides- the sweetest shooting 22 I have ever shot was a browning lever, I really want one- just don't have the cash.SamlautRanger
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lost in the woods
Would make sure I have a M-4 with Eotech sight and have 12 magazines and an attached surefire light. And my 9 inch bladed survival Busse combat knife. So when the Black Helicopters come after me I can fight off the national guard and the united nations. Yeah right>>>>> HA HA HA Get real.
Give me a 30-30 or a 12 guage overunder or 12 guage pump and some extra ammo. A good swiss army knife, good folding knife with a liner lock, and a small axe and I would be set.
Proper training and proper mindset is what makes one survive while lost in the woods.
BEST 2 Peices of equipement to have if lost in the woods in this modern day of technology: A cell phone and a GPS.
Would make sure I have a M-4 with Eotech sight and have 12 magazines and an attached surefire light. And my 9 inch bladed survival Busse combat knife. So when the Black Helicopters come after me I can fight off the national guard and the united nations. Yeah right>>>>> HA HA HA Get real.
Give me a 30-30 or a 12 guage overunder or 12 guage pump and some extra ammo. A good swiss army knife, good folding knife with a liner lock, and a small axe and I would be set.
Proper training and proper mindset is what makes one survive while lost in the woods.
BEST 2 Peices of equipement to have if lost in the woods in this modern day of technology: A cell phone and a GPS.
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