average shooter said:
Markbo- If I go in and say I'm looking for a polymer-framed, semi-auto in 9mm I do not want to be shown the latest S&W revolver in .500 knock-u-on-ur-a$$. That doesn't mean I know yet which polymer-framed, semi-auto 9mm I want. Similarly, if he says he's looking for a bolt-action, the salesman is wasting breath and time showing him semi-autos.
Wasting his time and breath, huh? The customer has a vague list of wants and he shows him options - he is trying to take care of the customer by educating him on options - and he's wasting his breath? Obviously he was in that case!
akodo said:
actually, I think both are quite reasonable, but for different reasons.Regarding the car lot, any time there is haggling going on, anything, and I mean anything, is fair game. Rent a wheelchair and have your wife sit in it if you like. It's all part of the game. Why do you think the lotman took him to see an overpriced truck? Because the lotman realized the quoted price has some swing it in factored in...
So it's all fair and they both know it, so he goes and buys it from someone else despite the fact they are both playing a game? And who says the first truck was overpriced? He said it was higher than his already admitted lie of a max price... AND how do you know the salesman was not accounting for rebates and dealer incentives to GET to his price?
akodo said:
Regarding the gun, nothign wrong with stating the features you desire just in case something new hit the scene you weren't aware of...
Riiiight.... so what's wrong with the saleman offering options the customer may not know about????
akodo said:
A car isn't like a gun where you can talk a guy into spending 50% more than he wanted, going from a $300 to a $450 toy isn't going to matter, going from a $15,000 to a $22,000 might well result in default. The salesman doesn't offer overpriced models because he wants you to default, he does it because he knows how to haggle too.
A car is EXACTLY like a gun where you can talk someone into spending twice what they want to spend. Do you think car dealerships do not know that every customer lies? If the customer ends up in default, that is their problem with the lender... not the dealership. Salesmen don't offer 'overpriced' models of anything. EVERY car has an MSRP on it. Many also have rebates and incentives that the customer may not know about but that the dealerships are bound by law to pass on.
Why are car salesmen the only business in the world where people walk in apparently believing that they will definitely be lied to, but still depend upon the salesman to answer questions anyway? A car salesmans job is not to get
you the best deal. It is to make the most money for the dealership and himself. Their is nothing wrong with making a profit.
If people took responsibility for their own ignorance and get educated it would be a lot more pleasant experience for them. In that particular instance, I was pointing out the salesman was trying to help the customer and after he invested his time, knowledge, expertice and assistance, Colin went across town and bought it from someone else.
And of course Colin would neeeeeeever use the information he got from the first guy to make a great deal with the second guy! I am not saying anything was wrong... I was simply pointing out the inconsistency of belittling salespeople for doing their job and then not rewarding them by buying from them, but from someone else with the information obtained from the first. Who is being unethical?