"The Turner Diaries" hurts our cause....
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When I 1st got into ebay a while ago, I stocked up on lots of US ww2 collectibles - naturally went with my M1s and M1 carbines, bayonets, knives etc. Well a guy at work (who is German) picked up a Nazi stereographic book - and it was pretty cool as collectibles go. I bought a few myself, and also got into the stamp albums, nazi daggers, Lufftwaffe items, etc. The propaganda stuff they put out back then was amazing, as were the daggers and other arms, and are actually historically interesting.
Then I watched Life is Beautiful, and was reminded of what exactly all that nazi stuff led to - I couldn't sell it fast enough.
Then I watched Life is Beautiful, and was reminded of what exactly all that nazi stuff led to - I couldn't sell it fast enough.
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I read "The Turner Diaries" to see what the book is about. The above descriptions are pretty accurate--infantile white-supremicist fantasy that makes you feel covered in slime when finished--but I'm glad I read it. It gave me a look inside a world view I didn't understand before, and it also made me realize why so many people seem to view gun owners in such a negative light. It's made me more effective when arguing with anti-gunners if nothing else.
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I can't afford authentic Nazi/Soviet items but have a regular need for them as photo props. I am all for keeping them available at guns shows and elsewhere.
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StrikeFire83
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I would ask you fellas NOT to put words in my mouth.
It seems a bit of clarification is in order. If you look at my original post, NEVER did I say that The Turner Diaries should in any way be BANNED. Read what I said. I’ll say it again. I’m glad this book is still in print, as it presents a window into the diseased psyche of the small yet still present white supremacist / neo-Nazi community in this country.
I merely said that responsible gun show organizers who care about the fight to keep and bear arms would do well to keep this garbage OUT of their shows as it reflects poorly and reinforces media stereotypes about gun owners.
As for this odd necessity to collect and display Nazi war “memorabilia,” people should do what they want. The only Nazi stuff a non-Nazi should have, in my opinion, is that which he (or a relative) took as a souvenir off of a freshly killed German soldier.
The original intent of this threat was to state that as good men and responsible gun owners it’s our duty to speak out against this **** when we encounter it.
It seems a bit of clarification is in order. If you look at my original post, NEVER did I say that The Turner Diaries should in any way be BANNED. Read what I said. I’ll say it again. I’m glad this book is still in print, as it presents a window into the diseased psyche of the small yet still present white supremacist / neo-Nazi community in this country.
I merely said that responsible gun show organizers who care about the fight to keep and bear arms would do well to keep this garbage OUT of their shows as it reflects poorly and reinforces media stereotypes about gun owners.
As for this odd necessity to collect and display Nazi war “memorabilia,” people should do what they want. The only Nazi stuff a non-Nazi should have, in my opinion, is that which he (or a relative) took as a souvenir off of a freshly killed German soldier.
The original intent of this threat was to state that as good men and responsible gun owners it’s our duty to speak out against this **** when we encounter it.
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I have seen this at X-roads gunshows. At least the last one I went to didn't have the nazi-flag booth. It did have a guy who sold klan shirts, along with a lot of different shirts.
The flag guy really bothered me. You couldn't miss it as soon as you set foot in the door.
Nothing like taking an open-minded fence-sitter to their first gun show, and the first thing they see is a gigantic swastika.
The flag guy really bothered me. You couldn't miss it as soon as you set foot in the door.
Nothing like taking an open-minded fence-sitter to their first gun show, and the first thing they see is a gigantic swastika.
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If you really cared about this issue you would say something to the people that run the gun shows.
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Exactly. I agree with Oleg: there are legit reasons to own this stuff, like for photo props or legitimate family war relics, but I hate seeing them at gun shows, they are vile, and they do damage to the image of gun owners.
And I'm 100% with StrikeFire. None of these things should be banned. They should all be legal. But businesses (like gun shows and Ebay and GunBroker) have discretion about what they allow and what they don't, and they should exercise that discretion.
I've seen plenty of Nazi crap at gun shows over the last fifteen years. I'm not talking about WWII souvenirs or reproduction Hitler Youth pocket knives. I mean "The Bible for Christians and Racists", "The Turner Diaries", and all manner of evil filth damning the "Mud People" and the *shudder* Jews, preaching the inate superiority of the "White Race" and calling for the extinction of the first two and the deification of the last. Serpent's Walk, WCC, ANP, CoJCC, Resistance Records, British Israelism, NV, Hammerskins, choose your poison. Seen 'em all selling the diseased products of their depraved auto-eroticism.
"Let the Market decide!" What garbage. The Market isn't G-d Almighty. It's an abstraction of the human tendency to buy and sell stuff. If you choose it as your arbiter of morality you have a conscience that most closely resembles cheese-cloth. Now, I am better than them, so I don't advocate rounding them up, sending them to camps and exterminating them. But I do believe that people who spout this sewage are more likely than your average American to dangerous to the people around them. I don't trust them and think that law enforcement needs to be aware of what they do and come down on them with the Big Hammer when they engage in acts of terrorism.
And, frankly, if it doesn't bother you then you, personally, and I'll say it to your face, are a vicious soulless bastard. At best. And people like you who consider people like me subhuman are precisely the reason I own repeating firearms and vigorously defend my right to keep and bear them.
This stuff is pure, undadultered evil.
Let's face what Al Gore would call An Inconvenient Truth. People do not become paranoid and hate-filled because they own guns. But people who are already paranoid and motivated by hatred and rage are almost certain to acquire them if they can. That means you'll find a fair share of racist and Nazi scum at places like gun shows and among the community that owns weapons.
Does this mean that most gun owners are like this? Hell, no. The overwhelming majority of gun owners are good people just like the overwhelming majority of all people. But every group has its particular evils. The presence of the Nazi / Klan / "racialist" types is one of our particular crosses to bear. If we tolerate that kind of filth just because they share one particular thing with us - an attraction to firearms - we deserve whatever scorn and abuse the rest of the country heaps on us for associating with them.
Think of it this way. Himmler raised organic chickens. Idi Amin liked cameras. Khomeini enjoyed medieval Sufi poetry (even though he had Sufis stoned as heretics). That does not mean that anyone who buys free-range boilers is in the SS or that the collection of Rumi - who was loved by Jews, Christians and Muslims - on my shelf means that I support the big-bearded, black-turbanned sociopaths. But if Nikon said "Doctor, Field Marshal, President for Life Idi Amin likes our products, so we support him wholeheartedly" or health food stores excused the SS because its founder ate the same sort of food, a decent person would start looking askance at them.
"Let the Market decide!" What garbage. The Market isn't G-d Almighty. It's an abstraction of the human tendency to buy and sell stuff. If you choose it as your arbiter of morality you have a conscience that most closely resembles cheese-cloth. Now, I am better than them, so I don't advocate rounding them up, sending them to camps and exterminating them. But I do believe that people who spout this sewage are more likely than your average American to dangerous to the people around them. I don't trust them and think that law enforcement needs to be aware of what they do and come down on them with the Big Hammer when they engage in acts of terrorism.
And, frankly, if it doesn't bother you then you, personally, and I'll say it to your face, are a vicious soulless bastard. At best. And people like you who consider people like me subhuman are precisely the reason I own repeating firearms and vigorously defend my right to keep and bear them.
This stuff is pure, undadultered evil.
Let's face what Al Gore would call An Inconvenient Truth. People do not become paranoid and hate-filled because they own guns. But people who are already paranoid and motivated by hatred and rage are almost certain to acquire them if they can. That means you'll find a fair share of racist and Nazi scum at places like gun shows and among the community that owns weapons.
Does this mean that most gun owners are like this? Hell, no. The overwhelming majority of gun owners are good people just like the overwhelming majority of all people. But every group has its particular evils. The presence of the Nazi / Klan / "racialist" types is one of our particular crosses to bear. If we tolerate that kind of filth just because they share one particular thing with us - an attraction to firearms - we deserve whatever scorn and abuse the rest of the country heaps on us for associating with them.
Think of it this way. Himmler raised organic chickens. Idi Amin liked cameras. Khomeini enjoyed medieval Sufi poetry (even though he had Sufis stoned as heretics). That does not mean that anyone who buys free-range boilers is in the SS or that the collection of Rumi - who was loved by Jews, Christians and Muslims - on my shelf means that I support the big-bearded, black-turbanned sociopaths. But if Nikon said "Doctor, Field Marshal, President for Life Idi Amin likes our products, so we support him wholeheartedly" or health food stores excused the SS because its founder ate the same sort of food, a decent person would start looking askance at them.
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Alot of that stuff hurts our cause. There used to be a booth at the Indy 1500 show that sold Nazi "collectibles." They were basically coffee mugs, and shirts, etc with images of Hitler, Goerring, Goebbels, etc on them. Pretty disgusting to me. Fortunately, practically nobody ever visited the booths so they stopped coming to our show.
Yes, people have freedom of speech but we also need to realize junk like this are some of the reasons jerks like Michael Moore get away with insinuating NRA members align themselves with the KKK.
Yes, people have freedom of speech but we also need to realize junk like this are some of the reasons jerks like Michael Moore get away with insinuating NRA members align themselves with the KKK.
Hkmp5sd
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I guess I'm the sole bad guy here....
I collect military memoribilia. That includes Confederate, Nazi, Japanese, North Korean, Red China, North Vietnam and the USSR. I collect the same from the so-called "good" countries of the US, Britain, France, Canada, etc. I'm a history buff and they are nothing more than pieces of history. It is a branch from my firearm collecting as I also collect military firearms.
I see nothing wrong with reproductions either. Given the cost and rarity of authentic pieces, it is sometimes necessary to use a reproduction to complete a given set. I collect weapons of all types like ancient Egyptian daggers. Until the Egyptian Museum loans me a few, the only ones I can get are reproductions. The same with Viking swords and shields. The Smithsonian just won't hand over a few real ones.
It seems hypocritical to me for people to justify collect German military firearms from WWII and then condemn the collecting of other Nazi items. The only reason they justify it is because they want the gun very badly, more than their claim to detest the Nazis. It's either all or nothing, no fence riding. If you are going to complain about my SS daggers, make sure there are no WWII 98k's in your safe.
I collect military memoribilia. That includes Confederate, Nazi, Japanese, North Korean, Red China, North Vietnam and the USSR. I collect the same from the so-called "good" countries of the US, Britain, France, Canada, etc. I'm a history buff and they are nothing more than pieces of history. It is a branch from my firearm collecting as I also collect military firearms.
I see nothing wrong with reproductions either. Given the cost and rarity of authentic pieces, it is sometimes necessary to use a reproduction to complete a given set. I collect weapons of all types like ancient Egyptian daggers. Until the Egyptian Museum loans me a few, the only ones I can get are reproductions. The same with Viking swords and shields. The Smithsonian just won't hand over a few real ones.
It seems hypocritical to me for people to justify collect German military firearms from WWII and then condemn the collecting of other Nazi items. The only reason they justify it is because they want the gun very badly, more than their claim to detest the Nazis. It's either all or nothing, no fence riding. If you are going to complain about my SS daggers, make sure there are no WWII 98k's in your safe.
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Bingo!
GW
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Which means you're in favor of banning these books. You want the gun show promoters to ban them from the only venue I have ever heard of them being available at.
GW, Quickdraw, this isn't the government "banning" their publication. It's a private group deciding that its reputation or image will be badly damaged by association with sedition, murder, hatred and evil.
They have the right to print it and sell it. They have the right to order swastikas and "Wank-a-long with 'Dolf" CDs of the Horst Wessel song from Chinese factories to show the superiority of Caucasians. I have the right to call them what they are and do everything in my power to prevent private groups from offering them a platform. Someone wants to sell an SS battle flag? Cool. Will I do business with him? No. Will most decent people? Probably not. Does his presence at a gun show make us look like everything the antis say we are? Uh-huh. If he adds "I heart Reynhard Heydrich" coffee mugs and "Rahowa!" bumper stickers does it confirm that suspicions. Yes indeedy.
If you are right and this is the only venue where this sort of filth and the scum who peddle it are to be found, well, that certainly says something about us as a group.
They have the right to print it and sell it. They have the right to order swastikas and "Wank-a-long with 'Dolf" CDs of the Horst Wessel song from Chinese factories to show the superiority of Caucasians. I have the right to call them what they are and do everything in my power to prevent private groups from offering them a platform. Someone wants to sell an SS battle flag? Cool. Will I do business with him? No. Will most decent people? Probably not. Does his presence at a gun show make us look like everything the antis say we are? Uh-huh. If he adds "I heart Reynhard Heydrich" coffee mugs and "Rahowa!" bumper stickers does it confirm that suspicions. Yes indeedy.
If you are right and this is the only venue where this sort of filth and the scum who peddle it are to be found, well, that certainly says something about us as a group.
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Hkmp5sdYou'd do well read my original post and its follow up. I started this thread because I'd seen "The Turner Diaries" at numerous gun shows and others had as well. I didn't know what it was until yesterday when I finally read the racist piece of crap. Nowhere did I say anything about Nazi war "collectibles" and their purchase/ownership. Sure, it’s a bit odd to see an ******* dressed to the nines in a Waffen SS uniform selling Hitler medals and whatever else they hawk. If you want to buy Hitler youth knives, Nazi coins, plates, extruded golden teeth, human skin lampshades, whatever, that’s your business. Let me say it again, so everybody will understand.
1. I don’t think that The Turner Diaries should be banned. Our beloved 1st Amendment protects all speech and media, from porno to the genocidal Neo-Nazi wet dream rant that is The Turner Diaries.
2. I don’t think the trade in World War II relics should be banned, or even excised from gun shows.
3. We are fighting a war of mass opinion here.
You can stick your head in the sand and deny it all you want, but the future of gun rights in this country depend not only on the clearly stated language of the Constitution but on convincing people that the civilian possession of firearms is a necessary, noble, and essential civil right. Selling copies of the Neo-Nazi, white supremacist Bible at gun shows, the most publicized and scrutinized of transfers, is a stupid idea.
GW, an organized BAN is very different from what you describe. You can buy the Turner Diaries for less than $10 on Amazon.com, or FREE online at Nazi websites. That’s where I read it. Choosing NOT to sell something does not a ban make, senior.
1. I don’t think that The Turner Diaries should be banned. Our beloved 1st Amendment protects all speech and media, from porno to the genocidal Neo-Nazi wet dream rant that is The Turner Diaries.
2. I don’t think the trade in World War II relics should be banned, or even excised from gun shows.
3. We are fighting a war of mass opinion here.
You can stick your head in the sand and deny it all you want, but the future of gun rights in this country depend not only on the clearly stated language of the Constitution but on convincing people that the civilian possession of firearms is a necessary, noble, and essential civil right. Selling copies of the Neo-Nazi, white supremacist Bible at gun shows, the most publicized and scrutinized of transfers, is a stupid idea.
GW, an organized BAN is very different from what you describe. You can buy the Turner Diaries for less than $10 on Amazon.com, or FREE online at Nazi websites. That’s where I read it. Choosing NOT to sell something does not a ban make, senior.
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WRONG. You are misreading what people are saying on this thread. NO ONE in this thread has advocated banning these items. We've just been saying that gun shows (which are private businesses) should not allow them. I have a private business, and I exercise discretion over what I sell and what I don't sell. If I wanted to, I could sell whale meat and rape porn and malt liquor, but I choose not to. I'm not advocating that those things be banned, I'm just making a choice, as a business, of what I want to sell and what I don't want to sell. These gun shows can do the same thing.
NO ONE on this thread is endorsing a ban. A ban would mean passing a law that makes this stuff illegal to buy or sell. They have bans like that in much of Europe. I'm not in favor of that.
When Ebay exluded guns, it caused a market for their banned items, which resulted in GunBroker. Great! If mainstream gun shows exclude Nazi crap it will create a market for Nazi Gun Shows. Excellent! Let them have their own tiny show to go with their tiny body parts.
When they show up at mainstream gun shows it makes them economically viable. If they were kept out of mainstream gun shows, they would not be economically viable. Their only option would be Internet sales. Good!
Again, this is all free market. Part of a free market is that businesses are free to decide what they sell and who their partners are. Gun shows are businesses.
It's strange that such a pro-freedom group as this thinks that a business declining to allow sales of certain items inside their show is somehow anti-freedom. If I walk into a vegetarian restaurant, I can't insist that they serve me meat; it's their choice. If I want meat, I go to some other restaurant. Same thing here.
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Ya know, I couldn't care less about the Turner Diaries being sold at gun shows. I've heard enough about the book to know I'd find it disgusting. Doesn't stop me from considering a copy now and then, simply because of the controversy. People who judge gun owners and shows by the book being sold there have already made up their minds, IMO.
Just a bit of thread drift here. It really burns my posterior to see a symbol of my faith degraded and abused the way the Nazis did the swastika and the Sowilo rune. Two major symbols of my faith, and I would be looked at as filth if I walked the street wearing them. There are places it could get me thrown in jail.
For those of you who are unaware of the history of these two symbols, please take the time to research them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika#Pre-Christian_European_traditions
There's more I could say about Confederate and Nazi memorabilia, and lumping them together, but I don't feel like inciting a flame war, and I'd like to get my post in before the thread gets closed.
Just a bit of thread drift here. It really burns my posterior to see a symbol of my faith degraded and abused the way the Nazis did the swastika and the Sowilo rune. Two major symbols of my faith, and I would be looked at as filth if I walked the street wearing them. There are places it could get me thrown in jail.
For those of you who are unaware of the history of these two symbols, please take the time to research them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika#Pre-Christian_European_traditions
There's more I could say about Confederate and Nazi memorabilia, and lumping them together, but I don't feel like inciting a flame war, and I'd like to get my post in before the thread gets closed.
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I'm fascinated with Nazi Germany and read at least a dozen history books per year on the subject. My fascination in part springs from the fact that I see striking similarities between the National Socialist leadership and our current executive administration. I'm not saying that the Bush administration is full of genocidal Nazis--I'm just saying that Rove is well versed in certain political tactics used by people like Joseph Goebbels to great success. I also see a striking similarity between Hitler's relationship with his generals and the Bush Neocons relationships with their generals. Ultimately I think Iraq will be our Operation Barbarossa.
I'm especially interested in the relationship between Erwin Rommel and Hitler. Rommel was one of the greatest military minds of the 20th century. Hitler, in contrast, had one of the weaker military minds of that century (much like the Bush/Rumsfeld/Cheney trioka, if you ask me). Fortunately for us, Hitler didn't like what Rommel had to tell him so he found his very own Tommy Franks-style yes men, old poofs like Goerring who led Nazi Germany into ruin (for which we should all thank whatever god we worship). I'm so intriqued by Rommel that I'd like to get a bumper sticker that read: "WWRD?" ("What Would Rommel Do?")
Trouble is, I doubt many would see the irony or historical signifigance of that. They'd just think I was a Nazi, which I most definitely am not.
I'm especially interested in the relationship between Erwin Rommel and Hitler. Rommel was one of the greatest military minds of the 20th century. Hitler, in contrast, had one of the weaker military minds of that century (much like the Bush/Rumsfeld/Cheney trioka, if you ask me). Fortunately for us, Hitler didn't like what Rommel had to tell him so he found his very own Tommy Franks-style yes men, old poofs like Goerring who led Nazi Germany into ruin (for which we should all thank whatever god we worship). I'm so intriqued by Rommel that I'd like to get a bumper sticker that read: "WWRD?" ("What Would Rommel Do?")
Trouble is, I doubt many would see the irony or historical signifigance of that. They'd just think I was a Nazi, which I most definitely am not.
Hkmp5sd
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StrikeFire83,
I wasn't directing my post toward you and the original theme of the Turner Diaries. It was to the tangent about Nazi Memoribilia. Everytime this subject comes up, we get people that think possessing Nazi memoribilia is the same as having a satanic alter in your house, ie very bad.
I have never read the Turner Diaries, primarily because I've never came across the book for free. I've no desire to buy it at a gun show. I read books I detest all of the time because I think we need to know what the other side thinks (I read both Bill and Hillary's fictional accounts of their lives). Some day I will read the Turner Diaries and see what the fuss is about. Maybe...
I wasn't directing my post toward you and the original theme of the Turner Diaries. It was to the tangent about Nazi Memoribilia. Everytime this subject comes up, we get people that think possessing Nazi memoribilia is the same as having a satanic alter in your house, ie very bad.
I have never read the Turner Diaries, primarily because I've never came across the book for free. I've no desire to buy it at a gun show. I read books I detest all of the time because I think we need to know what the other side thinks (I read both Bill and Hillary's fictional accounts of their lives). Some day I will read the Turner Diaries and see what the fuss is about. Maybe...
Hkmp5sd
How dare you not be in lockstep with the PC crowd ?
If you are going to start thinking for yourself and making your own decisions we are going to have to pass a law banning that also.
The thought police have ways of bringing you into line.
I spent last weekend at a gunshow that had several venues selling Nazi artifacts. I think they are cool and I enjoy looking at them. I don't personally own any of them (other than a K98 rifle, a couple Lugers, and a couple P38s) but I would certainly take them if someone was giving them away. Those daggers and whatnot are very cool in my book. A year or two ago, there was a guy selling of his lifetime collection of German belt buckles. I spent probably a half hour asking him about them. I even ended up buying a Nazi ERA firefigher belt buckle. It is the same buckle they wear now, mine just happens to have been from that era (and has nothing whatever to do with the Nazi party although it was displayed with hundreds of actual Nazi belt buckles). I am a professional firefighter and when I bought it, I imagined the job the original owner had as we dropped incendiary bombs on their cities. Whole sections of cities on fire. Buildings collapsing. Active bombing taking place while he was attempting the futile effort of putting out the fires. Wondering if his family was alive or dead. At this show last weekend, a guy had a display of Swiss shooting medals for sale along with Swiss Lugers and Swiss daggers. I spent some time talking to him and ended up buying a couple of the shooting medals to display in my gun room. I wonder if that is OK with the thought police ? The Swiss kept accounts from people who died in the concentraion camps. They banked money for Nazis. They allowed Nazis to escape through their country............etc. They probably should be banned next. Oh wait, you didn't use the word ban: Maybe they should be protested ?
Now pardon me while I pack for my trip to the re-education camp.
How dare you not be in lockstep with the PC crowd ?
If you are going to start thinking for yourself and making your own decisions we are going to have to pass a law banning that also.
The thought police have ways of bringing you into line.
I spent last weekend at a gunshow that had several venues selling Nazi artifacts. I think they are cool and I enjoy looking at them. I don't personally own any of them (other than a K98 rifle, a couple Lugers, and a couple P38s) but I would certainly take them if someone was giving them away. Those daggers and whatnot are very cool in my book. A year or two ago, there was a guy selling of his lifetime collection of German belt buckles. I spent probably a half hour asking him about them. I even ended up buying a Nazi ERA firefigher belt buckle. It is the same buckle they wear now, mine just happens to have been from that era (and has nothing whatever to do with the Nazi party although it was displayed with hundreds of actual Nazi belt buckles). I am a professional firefighter and when I bought it, I imagined the job the original owner had as we dropped incendiary bombs on their cities. Whole sections of cities on fire. Buildings collapsing. Active bombing taking place while he was attempting the futile effort of putting out the fires. Wondering if his family was alive or dead. At this show last weekend, a guy had a display of Swiss shooting medals for sale along with Swiss Lugers and Swiss daggers. I spent some time talking to him and ended up buying a couple of the shooting medals to display in my gun room. I wonder if that is OK with the thought police ? The Swiss kept accounts from people who died in the concentraion camps. They banked money for Nazis. They allowed Nazis to escape through their country............etc. They probably should be banned next. Oh wait, you didn't use the word ban: Maybe they should be protested ?
Now pardon me while I pack for my trip to the re-education camp.
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They'll start with "Turner Diaries". They'll take that down. Too "disgusting" they'll say. Next it'll be "Soldier of Fortune". "What honest citizen needs that?" they'll say. Then it'll be "American Rifleman". Bunch of gun loons.
As long as "Turner Diaries" is still being sold, I'll know we have some degree of freedom. When I stop seeing that book, I'll know I have to start REALLY worring.
Personally, I'm glad to see books like "Turner Diaries' still out there. Lets me know that viewpoints more extreme than mine are still out there, and are not being jailed (yet). It's one of my canaries in the coalmine, so to speak.
As long as "Turner Diaries" is still being sold, I'll know we have some degree of freedom. When I stop seeing that book, I'll know I have to start REALLY worring.
Personally, I'm glad to see books like "Turner Diaries' still out there. Lets me know that viewpoints more extreme than mine are still out there, and are not being jailed (yet). It's one of my canaries in the coalmine, so to speak.
Ubermensch, do you call yourself that just to get a rise out of people who've had some high school German?
Nobody is saying that the Turner Diaries should be illegal. We are saying that it is vicious and evil and that people with a shred or two of humanity don't support it or go out of their way to give it opportunities for public presentation. I'd be willing to bet that you wouldn't give the same consideration to Revolutionary Communist Party writings or the screeds of the West-hating jihadists. The neo-Nazi stroke books are on exactly the same level.
Nobody is saying that the Turner Diaries should be illegal. We are saying that it is vicious and evil and that people with a shred or two of humanity don't support it or go out of their way to give it opportunities for public presentation. I'd be willing to bet that you wouldn't give the same consideration to Revolutionary Communist Party writings or the screeds of the West-hating jihadists. The neo-Nazi stroke books are on exactly the same level.
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I don't really mind the trade in Lugers, daggers and belt buckles at gun shows, and I am not advocating a ban on the possession or transfer of such items.
I'm talking about the guy flying the swastika - the official symbol of the Third Reich - over his table at the last gun show I went to. Just an inanimate object? No, it's the symbol of pure evil. To fly such a banner is to honor genocide, military aggression, war crimes, hatred, and incomprehensible cruelty.
I'm not saying that the owner of such a banner should be punished by the state. Gun shows are private affairs. The private parties which sponsor them should not tolerate the it. They should write it into their contracts. You would still be able to buy that sh** from kooky sites on the internet.
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Do you collect swastikas, flgas of the Reich that say "Deutschland Erwache," SS uniforms, Reinhard Heydrich action figures, and beer mugs that sport the image of Der Führer? If those are a few of your favorite things, then yes, there's something wrong with you.
What if Hizbollah guy was at gun shows selling tapes of speeches by bin Laden, CDs of videos of our guys getting beheaded and blown up by jihadis, and flying whatever flags Al Qaeda flies these days?
"What if Hizbollah guy was at gun shows selling tapes of speeches by bin Laden, CDs of videos of our guys getting beheaded and blown up by jihadis, and flying whatever flags Al Qaeda flies these days?"
The American "news" media is already doing that for free. No need to buy anything. Hollywood considers these guys freedom fighters, so I wouldn't want anyone to know that I am against it.
How does this grab you ? http://zombietime.com/stop_the_us_israeli_war_8_12_2006/
That is OK, but if you display WWII stuff at the gunshow, you are a sicko.
People from California wonder why many people in the US dislike them and shudder when they move out of their worker's paradise and into America.
The American "news" media is already doing that for free. No need to buy anything. Hollywood considers these guys freedom fighters, so I wouldn't want anyone to know that I am against it.
How does this grab you ? http://zombietime.com/stop_the_us_israeli_war_8_12_2006/
That is OK, but if you display WWII stuff at the gunshow, you are a sicko.
People from California wonder why many people in the US dislike them and shudder when they move out of their worker's paradise and into America.
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