To wheel gun only or not to wheel gun only

[Lucky Derby]

One time I was shooting a qual and was the only shooter on the line with a revolver, a Colt Trooper. The qual had several stages, many of them required a reload. One stage was fire six rounds, reload fire eight rounds, so I obviously had to reload an extra time on that stage.
Not only did I complete every stage faster than all other shooters, I was one of only two shooters to have a perfect score. The other perfect score was a female shooter with a P229 .40.
My point is an auto is only faster to reload if you put in the practice. I was faster with my wheelgun because I practice with it, the other shooters didn't practice enough with their chosen weapons.

 

[btg3]

For IDPA and most other scenarios...

A top shooter with a wheel gun will out shoot an average shooter, regardless.
A top shooter with a polymer gun will out shoot an average shooter, regardless.

Top shooters with polymer guns wiill out shoot top shooters with wheelies. Why? (rhetorical, of course)

 

[Certaindeaf]

Ha, you made me laugh.

 

[SAGEEN]

you can not beat the reliability of a revolver in all temperatures ,all different strength hand loads[ with in safe reason] you don't have to worry about jam ups and if you live in a restricted bullet capacity state [NY] amount shots you can legally carry doesn't matter much oh one more thing you don't have to look for your brass if you reload and I think where in place no micro stamping
just a thought

 

[HexHead]

But it is faster to fire your next shot than go through a malfunctions drill.

I have had the 18 shot argument before, and it always came down to one question for me. Is that counting from loose ammo, or from a speed loader or moonclips? Autoshooters never, never, think about reloads from an empty clip, even when they routinely do not store them together. The argument also always seems to go down the road of carrying revolver ammo, and forgetting that revolvers aren't still Colt Patersons.

Would not the same type of person that routinely carries extra loaded mags for his semi-auto also carry speed loaders for his revolver? It seems the comparison is always a loaded mag vs loose ammo.

 

[X-Rap]

My test a few pages back was simple, x amount of shots on x amount of plates.
Shoot for time with 5-6 shot revolver and 10-15 rd pistol.
Keep ammo in mags or strips/speed loaders/moon clips.
Unless you horribly mismatch the shooters abilities the conclusion should be obvious.
Loading single rounds from a box to prove which is the better defense weapon is just silly but probably a closer conclusion than my way.

 

[David E]

I would be shooting my Ruger GP100.
What auto would you be shooting?

I think the Beretta 92 would be ideal for this.

I hesitate to shoot 50 rds in the current shortage. Would 25 do?

I promise not to load more than six in the magazine.

We can do 50, as it would be to my advantage. Let me know.

 

[tomrkba]

I have a .45ACP that randomly cycles so fast that it catches the brass halfway through ejecting from the slide, closes tight on it.

Do you mean a 1911? Which make and model? "A .45ACP" is a cartridge and if you can get a cartridge to shoot another cartridge, I want you on my side in a gun fight

 

[tomrkba]

I think it would be fun to do. Everyone runs through with a revolver and a semi-auto and posts it on THR youtube channel. Best time "wins". Use a standard IDPA target at ten yards.

What are the basic rules? Semi-autos are loaded to full capacity or downloaded to the capacity of the revolver?

I made this tread to track it:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=8964648#post8964648

 

[Eb1]

I want in. Can I play, too?

I carry a .32 H&R Magnum wheel gun. Holds 6 rounds.
I carry a Rossi M720 .44 Special. Holds 5 rounds.
I carry a Bersa Thunder .380 ACP. Holds 8+1 rounds.

The only gun that my family owns that has been fired in self defense was by my wife, and it was a Sprinfield XD9 that holds 16+1. She only had to shoot it one time.

What do I win? This isn't a game? Darn.

 

[Certaindeaf]

Well God bless the Hickok45 man but I think it'd be a draw with either were he to do it.
Doesn't he know that his big mitts will hold/transfer more that one cartridge at a time?
Jaysus, I learned myself to load 13+ mags and 6+ cylinders with one scoop/handful. as fast as I could

 

[76shuvlinoff]

I dunno, standing on the other side from a different viewpoint. I suppose being shot slow is going to hurt just as much as being shot fast.

 

[David E]

Take a revolver shooter and an autoloader shooter; the revolver with an empty cylinder and the autoloader with one empty magazine.
Give them both 50 rounds each.
No loading devices or tools, just their thumbs and fingers.
Blow the whistle and see who can shoot all 50 of their rounds the quickest.

This is Easyg's original assertion. No mention on an IDPA target at 10 yds or anything else.

But lets flesh it out a bit. Rounds are in a factory box tray. Revolver starts with cylinder open (as if you just ejected the cases) semi-auto is at slide lock with empty mag inserted (as if you just fired your last shot)

Rounds must hit the backstop.

Time stops on last shot.

 

[David E]

I have a .45ACP that randomly cycles so fast that it catches the brass halfway through ejecting from the slide, closes tight on it.

Uh, no, you have a 1911 that has an extractor issue that should be fixed.

 

[murf]

spray-and-pray doesn't belong here or anywhere else. i think tomrkbas restriction is appropriate.

murf

 

[David E]

spray-and-pray doesn't belong here or anywhere else. i think tomrkbas restriction is appropriate.

murf

He didn't make the initial claim.

It wasn't about scoring, it was about which one could fire 50 rds first.

If EasyG wants to add a target, I suggest an IPSC or IDPA at 5 yds, which is well beyond typical gunfight distances. Why not make it an 8" plate at 25 yds?

But how would you score it? Any hit on paper counts? What about misses? Maybe 1/2 second added per point down? Overall group size?

Suddenly, something quite simple becomes something quite different.

 

[murf]

did you make that claim?

murf

 

[David E]

did you make that claim?

murf

Reread post #88

 

[Certaindeaf]

I guess some people do piss their pants sometimes. That was odd.

 

[tomrkba]

Participate or not, your call.

Accuracy is final. Do not mess up and you won't get the penalty.

If you want to bang away on the berm, feel free since it is your ammo.

However, I want to compare how I shoot a revolver against an auto.

 

[David E]

Then create your own test or comparison instead of hijacking one.

 

[tomrkba]

I already have and it is being discussed here, goof!

 

[easyg]

I promise not to load more than six in the magazine.

We can do 50, as it would be to my advantage. Let me know.

Actually, you would do better loading only six at a time.
And you would do better just shooting 25 rounds.

If you loaded your magazine to capacity, and shot 50 rounds, I believe you would certainly lose.

Then create your own test or comparison instead of hijacking one.

Not that I need to on an internet forum, but I give full permission for anyone to hijack my "test", or modify it, or copy it, or whatever...


Easy

 

[VVelox]

No, there's nothing erroneous about revolvers being more reliable than autoloaders.
It's just the nature of the beast.
Cops didn't switch to autoloaders because autoloaders were just as reliable as revolvers. Cops switched to autoloaders for two reasons:
1) Because of a perception of being "out gunned" by the bad guys.
2) The militarization of our civilian police forces.



Kind of a moot point since most folks don't even carry a reload.

But here's a fun little experiment to try...

Take a revolver shooter and an autoloader shooter; the revolver with an empty cylinder and the autoloader with one empty magazine.
Give them both 50 rounds each.
No loading devices or tools, just their thumbs and fingers.
Blow the whistle and see who can shoot all 50 of their rounds the quickest.



Easy

Uhm. Yeah. You are completely forgetting the lessons learned from the 1986 FBI Miami shootout. Being out gunned when one has a revolver is a very real problem as that one and lots of others have shown.

 

[tarosean]

Uhm. Yeah. You are completely forgetting the lessons learned from the 1986 FBI Miami shootout.

Not to use a pistol in a gunfight with persons using longguns??