Video: Teen steals gun from man working on his car.

[BSA1]

I don't have a problem with the man OCing as we don't know anything about the neighborhood, where he lives, problems he might have had in the past, etc.

First of all where does it show in the video that the victim was Open Carrying?

Unless it shown to be otherwise the most correct assumption should be "Exposed Carry" as it is not uncommon for gun to show if the carrier bends the wrong way.

What I took offense to in the first topic was the O.P. assumed the victim was Open Carrying and was using the incident as proof of why Open Carry is not wise.

History of the area;

9th and Grove is in the heart of gang territory. Actually 9th and Grove area has been a high crime area for decades. If you don't live there don't go there even in the daytime.

His video system seems to be high quality. Certainly better than many home security systems. Homes have bars on the windows, strong entry doors and some have very good fences. As is typical in gangland drive-by shootings are common.

The fact he was carrying while working in his driveway confirms the high crime in that community. He should be considering adding a good security fence.

Looks like someone dropped a dime on the young gentleman:

https://www.kwch.com/content/news/WPD-Surveillance-shows-teen-steal-gun-off-Wichita-man-506769681.html

Most likely his family called Crime Stoppers hotline and collected the $500.00 reward. Crime Stoppers does not require you to leave your name.

The youth will be back on street and in his home most likely within a year. SRS in Kansas has a policy of keeping children in the home with their parents almost regardless of the living conditions and circumstances. Kansas SRS has a common history of children dying of neglect because SRS will not remove the children. Our youthful offender will no doubt want to be accepted as a full-time gang banger in his "youth group."

It was a very bold attack by our young man.

 

[Trunk Monkey]

First of all where does it show in the video that the victim was Open Carrying?

Unless it shown to be otherwise the most correct assumption should be "Exposed Carry" as it is not uncommon for gun to show if the carrier bends the wrong way.

What I took offense to in the first topic was the O.P. assumed the victim was Open Carrying and was using the incident as proof of why Open Carry is not wise.

Regardless of how the homeowner put himself in the victim selection pool, the fact remains that he put himself in the victim selection pool.

It really doesn't matter if the firearm was exposed intentionally or unintentionally the firearm was exposed and because it was exposed the guy was targeted.

I live in a neighborhood that is almost as bad as the one in the story and the very first rule that you learn is it you don't put your business on the street and that if you do things that make you a Target you shouldn't be surprised when you become a Target.

 

[<*(((><]

If I lived in a neighborhood like that I would have a Doberman chained to a post in my yard with a quick detach link while I worked on the car. Problem solved.

A guard dog never sleeps so to speak.

But I choose not to live in places like that. And yes everyone has a choice where they live, it might be hard to move jobs and family, but there is a choice.

I would rather live in a delapidated single wide while I fix it up somewhere safe than in gangtown USA.

 

[Trunk Monkey]

If I lived in a neighborhood like that I would have a Doberman chained to a post in my yard with a quick detach link while I worked on the car. Problem solved.

A guard dog never sleeps so to speak.

But I choose not to live in places like that. And yes everyone has a choice where they live, it might be hard to move jobs and family, but there is a choice.

Because the thug who was ready to shoot the home owner wouldn't shoot the dog?

 

[chicharrones]

Because the thug who was ready to shoot the home owner wouldn't shoot the dog?

Because the thug probably wouldn't wander into range of the dog, and the dog's range on a chain should cover where the home owner was working on his car. Therefore, the thug probably wouldn't choose to go through a doberman to pluck a gun off the homeowner.

 

[<*(((><]

Because the thug who was ready to shoot the home owner wouldn't shoot the dog?

The dog would alert on someone sneaking up. And a thug is not going to approach someone with a Doberman at arms length. Really shouldn’t have to explain that...

The thug didn’t walk up with a gun trained on the homeowner.

 

[BSA1]

Ever try to work on a car with a gun on? It gets in the way and makes life suck until you get frustrated with it and put it inside the car seat. Why wasn’t it on the car seat? To me this is a better advertisement for the holster maker than it is evidence against the juvenile delinquent.

The hood was open suggesting that he was also working around the engine. Thus he would have had to be transferring the gun back and forth from the interior of the car to the engine compartment.

Regardless of how the homeowner put himself in the victim selection pool, the fact remains that he put himself in the victim selection pool.

It really doesn't matter if the firearm was exposed intentionally or unintentionally the firearm was exposed and because it was exposed the guy was targeted.

I live in a neighborhood that is almost as bad as the one in the story and the very first rule that you learn is it you don't put your business on the street and that if you do things that make you a Target you shouldn't be surprised when you become a Target.

Sorry to here about the hood you live in. Gangs were moving in closer to our neighborhood which was a big motivation to move out of the city.

Your point is well taken about situational awareness.

 

[bluetopper]

This was four minutes of my life wasted I'll never get back.

 

[jmorris]

The fact he was carrying while working in his driveway confirms the high crime in that community.

I don’t buy that. I carry working around the house all the time and I don’t even live in a “community”.

 

[Trunk Monkey]

Am I the only one that noticed that YouTube terminated the account that that video came from

 

[czhen]

Adding the dog to scene make harder for the goon to dare to do it.
If the owner live in a bad hood and needs to carry just to fix the car why has the garage door open with no one.