What if a BG doesn't believe you have no money?

[loki.fish]

The other night I got to thinking about something. The scenario: You're walking along minding your own business and a BG pulls a knife on you and demands your money. You tell him you have any cash on you. He doesn't believe you and tells you to empty your pockets. Here's the catch....you're pocket carrying. What do you do when you get to the pocket your gun is in?

 

[sacp81170a]

Why, you give him the gun, bullets first.

 

[harvester of sorrow]

Does the mugger possess the means to inflict death or grievous bodily injury on you?

Yes, he has the knife.

Is the mugger in a position where he has the opportunity to bring his weapon to bear against you?

Sounds like he is. If he's close enough to talk to you, he could be on top of you in no time...

Has the mugger demonstrated his intent to inflict death or grievous bodily injury on you by making a deadly force movement?

If he's close enough to talk to you, he could be on top of you in no time...

You can be proactive, or you can let him decide whether he wants to kill you or not.

 

[DRMMR02]

I agree with harvester. Firing on the BG is the only way to assure your own safety. And even then, it's not really "assured". Anything could happen. Why gamble?

 

[Guntalk]

Shoot him -- A LOT

Violent criminal with deadly weapon threatens you.

You have a gun, and the opportunity to use it.

Do so.

 

[loki.fish]

Will you have time to get that gun out of your pocket and aimed before he can take a stab at you?

 

[Cromlech]

You could try the old 'shoot through the pocket' trick.

That might burn your hand though, although I'm no expert.

 

[hso]

Before you get to the pocket with the gun I assume a reasonable person with their wits about them would present the wallet and toss it to him. If it hits the ground and you take a few steps back a off to the side it's a reasonable bet the BG will be interested in the wallet with the cards and ID. You can then decide whether to retreat or draw that weapon to assure your safe withdrawl.

 

[Sheldon J]

Tactically speaking you always toss the requested item so it will be inconvenient for the PERP to keep their eyes on you, while they stoop to pick it up from the ground.

Some have been known to carry a sacrificial throw wallet, something with a few bucks and some fake plastic to get their attention when it lands on the ground. Like "hso" said then you can decide if you can split or evade and defend. Usually the Bg will grab N go with his ill gotten and mostly useless prize.

 

[XDKingslayer]

You tell him "Look, I spent all my money on this gun....".

 

[bclark1]

i think the shoot-through-the-pocket was probably a tongue-in-cheek remark, but with a pocket gun, you might want the gun to be able to cycle so you can get a follow up shot. i doubt a .25 to the hip is frequently a one-shot-stop.

 

[expvideo]

I wouldn't opt to using a pocket pistol anyway, since a 25 auto is not necessarily more powerful than a knife. I stopped carrying that caliber because I found that even with good shot placement, it is rarely an effective fighting tool. Don't get me wrong, he'll die from 25 auto wounds, but only after he kills you and collapses three blocks away.

 

[carpediem]

Umm, that's why you have a cheap wallet full of small bills, phony/expired cards, etc.

Throw it and run.

My 2-cents (not adjusted for inflation)

 

[Wesker]

Why did you find it necessary to post this? I'm just curious.

 

[plexreticle]

I would be thinking the mugger just brought a knife to a gun fight.

 

[Geronimo45]

#include <.38 Revolver>
#include <CCW Permit>
#include <Common Sense>

int main ( )
{
if (BG asks for money)
{
Draw .38 Revolver;
Aim .38 Revolver;
while (BG breathes = true)
{Fire;}
}
return 0;
}

There's a computer program to solve the problem. Fire at will.

 

[River Wraith]

Kirk would say, "Fire!"

 

[cookekdjr]

I'd be pretty angry. I mean, the nerve of the guy. All you wanted to do is mind your own business, and now you have all the hassles of giving your gun to the cops while they determine whether your shooting (and killing) of the would-be-mugger was justifiable homicide. I'd be really peeved if I had to hire a lawyer over the scumbag's justifiable demise.
You know, the nerve of some people. To put you through a bunch of needless red tape. If he was a more considerate mugger, he'd leave a note in his pocket for the homicide cops to find that clearly lays out how, if he's found dead with bullet holes in his carcass, that he probably got the bullet holes in the course of a mugging gone bad (bad for him anyway).
Muggers really ought to be more considerate of the gun-weilding public, don't you think?
-David
P.S. Shoot any mugger that points a knife in your face. No talking. No asking them to put down the knife, no "one more chance"'s. Just shoot the scumbag and be done with it. Society will owe you a favor. And you might walk out alive. Don't let your life depend on the mercy of a crackhead.
-D
P.P.S. The above statement does not constitute legal advice or the opinion of any government entity.

 

[History Prof]

I wouldn't opt to using a pocket pistol anyway, since a 25 auto is not necessarily more powerful than a knife.

Not all pocket pistols are in wimpy calibers. I have a Bersa Thunder .45 that fits nicely into my front pants pocket. They make it in .40S&W and 9MM also, which are even smaller than the .45ACP.

 

[shotgunkevin]

It seems to me that the scenario presented gives me some advantage. I can claim to be retreiving my money clip, and instead draw my Kel-Tec. Except I don't carry the Kel-Tec much anymore. I guess I've just lost my wallet.

 

[12GA00buck]

He's threatened you with a deadly weapon, if he lives he might still kill you, and he's still a threat to the good people in our society. Start handing him your wallet with your weak hand. Quickly draw with your strong hand as you back out of knife range and double tap. Perfectly justified self-defense & a public service. If you think you shouldn’t defend yourself because you might get away with just a lost wallet; think about what might happen to his next victim.

 

[spankaveli]

#include <.38 Revolver>
#include <CCW Permit>
#include <Common Sense>

int main ( )
{
if (BG asks for money)
{
Draw .38 Revolver;
Aim .38 Revolver;
while (BG breathes = true)
{Fire;}
}
return 0;
}

There's a computer program to solve the problem. Fire at will.

It'd take a geek to find humor in this.


I laughed.

 

[evan price]

"Look for yourself." (Drop wallet on ground beside BG)

Let's face it- unless slashing directly into an area like a throat, or stabbing into a vital area and penetrating a vital organ or blood vessel, most knife injuries are relatively minor. I am assuming of course this is some street punk with a steak knife stolen from Ponderosa; if the guy looks like he knows how to use a knife, you might be in trouble. Since I don't have much of value in my wallet anyway (I use plastic for nearly all transactions, and they are easily cancelled) I am inclined to drop the wallet and back off a step. Then, well, it's "Yo Homie, that my briefcase?" time.

 

[harvester of sorrow]

most knife injuries are relatively minor

Not if I'm the one being cut or stabbed, they aren't.

 

[ezypikns]

Before or after.....

I wet myself?